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moondreamer Knowflake Posts: 441 From: durban Registered: Nov 2002
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posted March 31, 2004 01:35 PM
symbolise in a dream?Need to know. MD. IP: Logged |
Ra Moderator Posts: 2709 From: Registered: Apr 2001
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posted March 31, 2004 09:09 PM
Depends upon the context. Usually emotional energies of some kind, but also the unconscious, purification, dilution, and certainly there are more.Does that help at all?  IP: Logged |
moondreamer Knowflake Posts: 441 From: durban Registered: Nov 2002
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posted April 01, 2004 03:05 AM
Thank you Ra.If it involves drowning in a car? IP: Logged |
2tailscorp Knowflake Posts: 170 From: Grand Canyon State Registered: Mar 2004
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posted April 01, 2004 09:57 AM
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Ra Moderator Posts: 2709 From: Registered: Apr 2001
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posted April 01, 2004 09:36 PM
Something about your life, or your life path is causing you anxiety. This could involve being "submerged" in emotional energies, or some other unconscious material. There is a feeling of helplessness and immobility.Make any sense?  Do you have any physical breathing difficulties? IP: Logged |
moondreamer Knowflake Posts: 441 From: durban Registered: Nov 2002
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posted April 02, 2004 01:27 AM
Hi RaI am A healthy person despite my diabetes thus no breathing diffulties. I am studying at college but I am finding it so hard to find a part-time job-either they need experience(which I dont have) or transport(again I dont have). So maybe that is causing my anxiety? eace: MD IP: Logged |
Ra Moderator Posts: 2709 From: Registered: Apr 2001
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posted April 02, 2004 05:02 PM
Could be. There is certainly something bothering you.  IP: Logged |
talaith Knowflake Posts: 148 From: Registered: Feb 2004
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posted April 05, 2004 02:47 AM
hi moondreamer, i hope you don't mind if i add to your question about water.i try not to relate my bad dreams, as Linda states in Gooberz that you shouldn't do, but perhaps a sliver won't hurt, as i'd really like some input here (hence, the appeal of the general question about water in dreams). i dreamt that i was crippled from an accident and living on a ship, in the hospital wing. my father came to visit me; i was very excited and happy to see him. i was eager for him to experience the scenery outside from the vantage point of the moving ship. next thing i knew, we were underwater and i thought we had simply fallen off the ship. i wasn't worried because i knew surfacing would be easy, especially if we didn't struggle or panic. but as i was heading toward the surface, i kept being turned around, and pulled deeper. still, i didn't panic, knowing we would make it eventually. i then realized that it was my father who was turning me around and pulling me deeper, and then i started to panic! i was torn between being more distraught about actually drowning and struggling for air, and being in complete shock that my father was trying to drown me, and more importantly, wondering why in the world he was doing it, especially as i had been so utterly happy to see him.... i remember clearly thinking that i had no time or opportunity to consider my father's reason for this, only that i must focus completely on not panicking and what i was going to do. then i awoke gasping for air and heart racing. and very scared.  moondreamer....i didn't mean to supersede your question...just thought water and drowning might be appropriate here. thanks! IP: Logged |
moondreamer Knowflake Posts: 441 From: durban Registered: Nov 2002
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posted April 05, 2004 04:45 PM
No Worries,Talaith MDIP: Logged |
Ra Moderator Posts: 2709 From: Registered: Apr 2001
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posted April 05, 2004 10:45 PM
Hello talaith  Tomorrow I should have time to type out a couple of thoughts on this. Interesting dream. I didn't know Linda said that about bad dreams. I wonder why she did?  IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 16893 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted April 06, 2004 05:09 PM
I don't recall that. ------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
talaith Knowflake Posts: 148 From: Registered: Feb 2004
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posted April 06, 2004 07:20 PM
pp 1007 to 1008 in Gooberz (hardback):the following is a conversation between Heathcliffe and Linda (Heathcliffe's words in bold): quote: "...the difference between Night Mare dreams of un-reality seeded by the subtle and sinister Unicorn with its phallic symbol horn of the deceptive Uni-sex and the singing dreams of inspiration and true prophecy borne to the Soul upon the wings of Pegesusfalsely spelled as Pegasus may always be detected quite simply, you see by the negative quality of the former and the joyful positive quality of the latter" "then people should neither fear -- nor repeat to others their 'bad dreams' -- ever for these are not actually or truly shadows of events to come?" "only if they insist upon clinging to them concentrating upon them -- and telling them to others then they will surely come true for, that which one fears -- and believes whether good or evil, false or true will absolutely manifest -- in Time if one fears, therefore believes in -- a bad dream one will set into tragic eternal motion all of its dark shadows...like the repeated and ever larger circles in a quiet stream as has already been stated and the false reality of such thought forms, then will eventually grow into giants of actuality within the material world of matter this clearly demonstrated by the Unicorn whose mystery Earthlings remain unable to fathom for the Unicorn is a powerful force for deception in that dark world of sleep...called the nether regions..."
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Ra Moderator Posts: 2709 From: Registered: Apr 2001
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posted April 06, 2004 08:54 PM
Thanks talaith That makes sense in context. If one dwells upon a bad dream, that is one thing. But if one is looking to expose the cause of it, and thus release it, that is another. Just my opinion.  As for your dream, these are my thoughts ... This dream seems to suggest that you feel disabled in some way (crippled), perhaps a loss of power/ability or even low self-esteem. It is suggested that you are fairly accustomed to living your life this way, and that you live this way unconsciously. You have a need for healing, for care of some sort (hospital) as you travel this path through unknown/unconscious realms (ship) - either that or you are in denial of it. I would speculate that you are only vaguely aware that you even need help/healing/care. Then you are underwater ... this part of the dream reiterates the idea that you are not, or were not, aware that there exists a problem, and that you are certainly not, or were not, aware of the cause (not worried about being under water). The "problem" manifests in your life as anxiety of some kind (drowning). Although you may not be consciously aware of the cause of your underlying anxiety, your subconscious self is not so subtley hinting that your father is at the root. It seems that you love your father but that you are not aware that he is the source of your anxiety. There is the possibility that your father symbolizes some other authority figure. Does any of this ring of truth? IP: Logged |
Randall Webmaster Posts: 16893 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted April 06, 2004 09:08 PM
Linda was talking about fear and self-fulfilling prophecies (my words, not hers). Not the same thing as analysis. Linda was very big on us creating our own reality and was against fatalism. ------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
talaith Knowflake Posts: 148 From: Registered: Feb 2004
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posted April 06, 2004 11:23 PM
hi Ra ~thank you very much for that explanation....i never would have thought some of those things! i will have to ponder this a little more deeply and let you know what occurs to me. love, talaith IP: Logged |
talaith Knowflake Posts: 148 From: Registered: Feb 2004
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posted April 06, 2004 11:45 PM
because it's interesting, here's another paragraph on the unicorn's purpose (p. 1009):(Heathcliffe speaking) quote: ...the hidden purpose of the Unicorn will ever be that which Set has so decreed ...to drug the feminine Soul with flowers and gentle mystery so that the feminine Third Eye awakens not in either sex -- but remains asleep in both men and womenhow strange that the present feminine Individuality gives so little serious thought to those subtle messages when it is the Unicorn who keeps locked that very door to her own S-Elf's karmic memory of the true design of this creature.. which is to continually discourage her from seeking the path which will lead her into the Light to take her rightful place beside her Twin 'O' S-elf that they may, together, recover their lost POwers as god and goddess
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Randall Webmaster Posts: 16893 From: Columbus, GA USA Registered: Nov 2000
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posted April 07, 2004 01:00 PM
Alas, the poor Unicorn is still doing as instructed, even though Set has long since repented. ------------------ "Never mentally imagine for another that which you would not want to experience for yourself, since the mental image you send out inevitably comes back to you." Rebecca Clark IP: Logged |
Ra Moderator Posts: 2709 From: Registered: Apr 2001
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posted April 10, 2004 09:52 PM
Hello talaith  Yes, please do let me know what you feel.  IP: Logged |
talaith Knowflake Posts: 148 From: Registered: Feb 2004
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posted April 12, 2004 11:32 AM
hi Ra ~yes...i'm intrigued by what you say about drowning -- that it symbolises anxiety. that sounds accurate for my current disposition. i have a deep connrction with my pop. we've always felt it; it's very palpable...sometimes so much so that it's painful, or at least very tender. i think we have a classic '4 and 8' relationship (Lindas's numerology speaking). we have a lot of understanding for each other, but very different outlooks....which makes for a lot of unfulfilled expectations. he's been angry with me for the last few years, but subtly so, so i don't really know why. we've never been big on the verbal communication. subconscious motifs flow strong between us. but while he says otherwise, he wants to have nothing to do with my son (2 in August). he spends lots of time with his other grandchildren. so this kind of hurts my heart. he doesn't respond to my emails or return my calls. and he finds ways to communicate subtle insults. and well, i guess i haven't wanted to acknowledge these things until your response to my dream. he's never behaved this way before. and i'm not just a kid...i just turned 37 . i don't know how i've managed to so displease him.  but oh well....it's taken this lifetime to separate my life from his and become my own individual. so i respect his distance and am ok with it. he has great strength and kindness too, with which he has always been generous. as for the need for healing, you are right, it's at a very primal level in my soul and body. i'm aware of it spiritually, but it eludes me physically, and i know i have much to learn in this area. i visited a healer with training in ethereal and chakra healing and she 'felt' a large amount of 'debris' in my lower chakras. she cleared a lot of it, but she said it reached all the way back to my infancy and perhaps even before and that i had much healing work to do there. recently, the way of shaman healing manifests in most of my reading and consciousness. i would like to explore this both as healer and one who would be healed. (more later.....) IP: Logged |
talaith Knowflake Posts: 148 From: Registered: Feb 2004
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posted April 12, 2004 01:22 PM
(i meant to mention that my son is an '8' also -- '17', actually).to continue, that my father might be representative of an authority figure in general, as you stated, i believe is accurate as well. i think this struggle to understand and reconcile the balance between the male and female, or the 'i' and the 'o', according to Linda, is a big theme in my life. and the difficulty, as well as the great amount of feeling, inherent in my paternal relationship is manifesting in other relationships i have and have had. lately, i've seen with a new vision, the nature of our paternal society, and how there's much healing and balance needed here and now. our souls reflect this also. Linda's vision and light in this area really opened me up to this reality, and how love really is the key here. she taught me so much! as have you, dear Ra, and i thank you again for all your kindness, insight and genuine care. the thing that i remain unsure about is the waking up and feeling as though i were drowning -- literally....that's never happened, as real, lucid and multi-colored as my dreams are. kinda scarey. well, all this is really in my thoughts; i hope i'm not dwelling on it too much!  IP: Logged |
Ra Moderator Posts: 2709 From: Registered: Apr 2001
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posted April 12, 2004 02:46 PM
How else can you gain insight without dwelling a bit.  the thing that i remain unsure about is the waking up and feeling as though i were drowning -- literally....that's never happened, as real, lucid and multi-colored as my dreams are. kinda scarey This could be connected with a past-life. In my own experience, waking with this sort of carry-over feeling from this sort of dream sometimes indicates the presence of past-life energies. Perhaps you left a past life in this way - drowning - and perhaps your father was involved. I am glad you found some truth in my interpretation. Thank you very much for the feedback. IP: Logged |
talaith Knowflake Posts: 148 From: Registered: Feb 2004
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posted April 13, 2004 01:44 AM
gosh Ra....you truly are socratic....you know just how to turn the spigot, so that it then all flows forth from the soul of the dreamer. as the answer lies within.  impressed. IP: Logged |
Ra Moderator Posts: 2709 From: Registered: Apr 2001
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posted April 13, 2004 02:32 PM
 I wish I could take all the credit. Thank you.  IP: Logged |
spiria Knowflake Posts: 144 From: big 'ol Tejas Registered: Sep 2003
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posted April 17, 2004 12:26 AM
hello dreamers!! it has been awhile since i have visited here...not to nose in, as i should obviously just read Gooberz for myself...but huh?? unicorns are deceptive?? that saddens me...am i interpereting correctly here? what about mermaids then? since we are talking water and mystical creatures....ok, i have been meaning to go buy a copy of Gooberz for years, i think i am finally ready to.IP: Logged |
raine6 Knowflake Posts: 98 From: Waterloo, IA United States trailingclouds@yahoo.com Registered: Feb 2004
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posted April 18, 2004 02:09 PM
spiria, i share your dismay at the reputation of unicorns--those cute little pink things with flowers tsk tskand talaith, please pursue your interest in this type of healing. my "issues" go back to a past life as well, but it seems unless one has a bundle of money, one cannot get this healing. anyone know of a site that offers free do-it-yourself lessons?? talaith, i am so saddened at the loss your father is incurring for himself and your son. just keep "the big picture" in mind, and it might help to overcome the very temporal nature of these relationships IP: Logged |