posted October 23, 2004 04:14 AM         

Desert Sun, I realize now that I may have put you on the spot. I am comfortable here, so didn't think about it ... I should not assume that you would be willing to bare yourself in "public" like this. We can most definately do this through e-mail if you prefer. It may be a while before I see you in "real" life again (but who knows, really), so we have to talk somehow! Let me know what you think ... and what you feel.

posted October 23, 2004 06:41 AM         

Tink
Your faerie dust is of the purest kind... and I just love sprinkles.

Oh yes, I just realized that I forgot to post it before but better late than never, I suppose ... a sincere, welcome and hello to you, Desert Sun. Your writing style is very soothing. Me likes.

posted October 23, 2004 08:31 AM         

hang in there hun...I can certainly relate to this dream...

A person that holds a magnetic connection that you cannot explain, that words cannot comprehend for there are no words to describe it, feelings that run like rivers, deeper than the oceans, deeper than love even...that are unexplicable......

I've often wondered if this is what it's like when you find your soul mate...

I'm sorry if I'm way off base here...but you are so reaching out, while others are backing away...what's that great saying...the only thing to fear, is fear itself...

posted October 23, 2004 09:50 AM         

But my impression had to do with responsibility, more than upheavel for yourself. That you feel or that you will feel responsible for others ('the world'), and that while it may be heavy karma in some respects, that you are strong enough to bear it. Someone else may experience his or her world in upheaval...and you will be there to help with the survival.

posted October 23, 2004 02:51 PM         

Thank you Sheaa. As for your question: Do you have a particular interest in dreams? Yes, and the depth of your question, I must practice my writing skills before a reply.

Eleanore honestly, I felt your words. It is you who has the eloquent writing style that is soothing to the soul, the soul in search of meaning. Where do you write?

posted October 23, 2004 02:53 PM         

My words to you Ra were for strength. Me being the elder and requesting your knowledge was humbled by your wisdom and kind spirit. You always show the utmost respect for your family. Please give me time to learn to write softly. I am proud to call you my friend.

posted October 23, 2004 03:51 PM         

But I did read the responses.

And they are brilliant.
I imagine there is not much more I can add to them at all. I'll just be repeating things everyone else said already.

I'm a little sad because I do with I could actually have helped some after all you have done to help me. FUnny I dreamed about tornadoes last night. Maybe reading your dream brought it on. Tornadoes made of thousands of rocks and pebbles.

I'm going to read this thread again now. There's a lot to soak in.

posted October 23, 2004 06:36 PM         

Ra ~ How's this dream panned out for you? I hope you've managed some insight, there are indeed some insightful responses here. I think Orchid's right in it not being precognitive, have you had any follow up in the days to offer what it could mean?

I've been reading a facinating book called 'The Field' by Lynne McTaggart. I'd like to express what she describes when she talks of the Amazonian Achuaar & Huaorani Indians and how they gather to share their dreams. It's a wonderful way that they gather together each morning to relate their experience.

To the tribes, the dreamer has their dream, expressed as a message for the whole group. Here is an extract;

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..the dream is owned not by the dreamer alone, but collectively by the group, and the individual dreamer is simply the vessel the dream decided to borrow to have a conversation with the whole tribe.

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I find this interesting because it goes on to explain a scientific experiment conducted by Sol Fieldstein. He placed a dreamer (a psychologist, Dr William Erwin) in a soundproof electromagnetic chamber, whilst several hundered yards away, a student was studying a painting called Zapatistas - holding the image of Mexican revolutionaries, with shawled women under a brewing storm.

Now Sol, willed the student to 'send' this image to the dreamer. Dr Erwin was noted to wake minutes later, relating the image of some sort of Mexican civilisation, under a foreboding sky

The dreamer seemed to be a vessel for this 'borrowed thought' which means the ownership of dreams is questioned.

So the question that arose from these studies ask; if you can influence machines - where are our thoughts.. where was the mind? I do believe in collective thought to some degree, but it baffles science. Sometimes it's too much to be a coincidence when someone says "I was just thinking that" or "I was just thinking of you when you called" - this goes into psychic awareness too. It happens alot to me - even here on LL for example when people are thinking on a topic that had just been posted. If you can affect someone elses thoughts I wonder if what we think can affect someone else's dream?

posted October 23, 2004 07:00 PM         

hrmmmmm!

posted October 23, 2004 07:16 PM         

Was gonna add you to the Knowflakes M.I.A thread as soon as I found it but saw you post long before so it's all good

posted October 24, 2004 10:29 AM         

Amanda, the queen of tornadic dreaming, yes you know them well! And your thoughts are right on target. I am beginning to realize that this dream is multi-leveled, and you described one of them perfectly ... "all signs of an awakening...your world is about to be tossed around a bit...shaken...and your feelings concerning it, are swirling around like a fierce funnel...you are trying to save these people because maybe these people represent parts of yourself...hard to let go of the norm, when you have something else coming at you, full steam ahead...like a freight train aka tornado..." The effects are not seen on the surface, as the churning is deep and slow. Oh, and what exactly are you saying here ... "A person that holds a magnetic connection that you cannot explain, that words cannot comprehend ..." Is this about you, or me, or more general?

Trillian, your words are also accurate on another level ... " But my impression had to do with responsibility, more than upheavel for yourself. That you feel or that you will feel responsible for others ('the world'), and that while it may be heavy karma in some respects, that you are strong enough to bear it. Someone else may experience his or her world in upheaval...and you will be there to help with the survival."

Amber, I don't think you realize how much you have helped me already (and continue to). Your dreams, and my peculiar responses to them, have swung open doors that were before only barely cracked. In fact, just yesterday I was reading over your dream from 10/01 ('Nazis in the hall') and doing just fine making some notes on it, when, out of nowhere I hear, "In that experience ...". I stopped the "message", turned my paper over so I had room to write, and noticed that I did not have time, it would have to wait. My point is, that voice loves to comment on certain of your dreams, and comes through quite strongly with them ... this does not happen, yet, in other cases. Thank you for that. You provide me with opportunity.

Sheaa, fascinating. Some 'primitive' cultures have such an advanced knowledge of the dynamics of the Mind.

posted October 24, 2004 10:48 AM         

I have a couple of questions for you about your first post ... as soon as I get a chance. Thank you. I am not sure you realize what you have done in helping me.

posted October 24, 2004 03:00 PM         

Where's my hammer.

posted October 24, 2004 03:23 PM         

"It is possible an established past could create an uncertainty in the future."

Wow. A combination of metaphysics and quantum physics (two of my most favorite subjects) ... that is a very deep thought that I will ponder for some time to come. I would like to hear more about this from your perspective, if you care to elaborate.

"You have seen the results before the action. What a fortunate ability, to see what guides. You have lived the future and know the path."

This statement in particular amazes me. When I read it the first time, I must admit I felt a little panic. Seeing this means you are seeing very deeply, more so than I thought anyone around me could see. So, I must know, what do you mean exactly? Is this in relation to the dream? Or did this come to you through feeling? How did you come to make that statement?

Looking forward to more wisdom from you.

posted October 24, 2004 05:00 PM         

Ra to DS:

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Looking forward to more wisdom from you.

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posted November 09, 2004 04:38 AM         

I'm fine, BRM - thanks for asking. I wish I could say that for those around me though. It seems like there is stress and turmoil all over the place, and I am somehow remaining in the center, untouched so far. Tornados and earthquakes indeed. And, unfortunately, I feel it's just warming up. I'll do what I can.