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Eirlys
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posted June 24, 2015 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eirlys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Has anyone seen this?

If so... what did you think?

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The Nightmare, 2015


The documentary focuses on eight people suffering from sleep paralysis,

a phenomenon where people find themselves temporarily unable to move,

speak, or react to anything while they are falling asleep or awakening.

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Critical reception for The Nightmare has been mostly positive...

Shock Till You Drop remarked on how well the film was received at Sundance

where one viewer "cried in gratitude of the film"...

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Wiki article

The NIGHTMARE - Trailer

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Hope this is in the right forum!

And thanks for any input


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posted June 25, 2015 01:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiKarat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for the share!

Sleep paralysis is definitely an interesting topic that I have heard before and think it does exist. My personal approach to this is the medical one.

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The specific pathway through which the threat-activated vigilance system acts is not well understood. One possibility is that the thalamus receives sensory information and sends it on the amygdala, which regulates emotional experience. Another is that the amygdaloid complex, anterior cingulate, and the structures in the pontine tegmentum interact to create the vision.[10] It is also highly possible that SP hallucinations could result from a combination of these. The anterior cingulate has an extensive array of cortical connections to other cortical areas, which enables it to integrate the various sensations and emotions into the unified sensorium we experience.[10] The amygdaloid complex helps us interpret emotional experience and act appropriately.[11] This is conducive to directing the individual's attention to the most pertinent stimuli in a potentially dangerous situation so that the individual can take self-protective measures.[11]

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis

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posted June 28, 2015 02:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eirlys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by GeminiKarat:
Thank you for the share!

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Thanks for yours, as well!


Not really sure what to think of the movie-- it markets

as a documentary, as well as horror.

I'm not a fan of horror movies; documentaries about weird

sh*!, I'm good with.

I'm surprised no one around here has seen it :/

I may have to just give it a go, and hope for the best.

quote:
Originally posted by GeminiKarat:
Sleep paralysis is definitely an interesting topic that I have heard before and think it does exist. My personal approach to this is the medical one....


Hmm... that may explain how it happens, but unfortunately,

it doesn't explain why.
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Here's a trailer from Youtube: The NIGHTMARE

Here's the Reel Rejects take on it, along with their commentary...

which is the reason I'm linking them : The Nightmare, Reel Rejects.

It highlights some of the differences between experiences; obviously

not everyone is going to have the same one.

You haven't had a turn yet, GeminiKarat?



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posted June 28, 2015 11:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'll see it when it's available to rent.

The very first time was very frightening to me, and a tad surreal in that I wasn't on my back but I could see the critter sitting on my back clearly. It was like a shadow gargoyle, about the size of a fat boy, and its head was turned to look at me and I could stare into its eyes without being able to move, and I was suffocating.

I was close enough to awake that I recalled reading about these experiences and that no one has ever died from one...but right then I wondered, "If someone did, how would we know?"

Though I was tempted to give in to gibbering terror, begging and pleading, I didn't as I was also angry and thought about all the other horrible things I'd survived. So I channeled that anger to stare right back into its eyes and will it away as well as myself to move and finally did.

Though I was freaked, I was also exhilarated that I'd won, and while others would say prayers to their gods or use spells or other charms (putting salt water in something iron like a skillet is supposed to work) to prevent it from happening again I overcame it through sheer cussed willpower.

I've had sleep paralysis a handful of times besides that but they no longer scared me because I knew I could handle it and there wasn't anything present. It was uncomfortable and I break myself out of it ASAP and can do so pretty fast now, though at least once (and I think twice) I was so sleep-deprived that I actually willed myself to go back to sleep and did so!

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posted June 29, 2015 02:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiKarat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Eirlys:
You haven't had a turn yet, GeminiKarat?



I only had my arguments with a dragon and a dark side.
This film is a documentary for those, who have experienced it and will be a horror movie for those who belong to the lucky group of people without that experience.

This is my personal reason on the why:
I had to face the dark side of myself and my experiences. To face it and handle it is an individual final combat. I can remember that I wanted to do it “tomorrow” - or any other reason that I do not have to do it now. In this sleep paralysis I could not run away. I was tossed down on the bed and could not do anything. I could not run away into the world of energy as well. I was forced to stay. I do not like to lose control and this can be scary on its own. After that came the dark side with my personal package of scary things. Just to make sure that I was really scared. I found out that the dark side does not like light. It is that simple. I turned into light and wanted to hug the dark side. It ran away. I had so much fun and haunted the dark side for another hug from my side. I know that at some point my entire body was so hot that I thought I was burning. That was indeed a wild ride and there is a medical, psychological and somehow logical explanation to it. I still prefer the medical one in the first place and I will not watch the movie. Real life is cool.

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posted June 29, 2015 02:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiKarat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PixieJane:
I was close enough to awake that I recalled reading about these experiences and that no one has ever died from one...but right then I wondered, "If someone did, how would we know?"

A very good argument . And thank your for the share.

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posted June 30, 2015 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eirlys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PixieJane:
Though I was freaked, I was also exhilarated that I'd won, and while others would say prayers to their gods or use spells or other charms (putting salt water in something iron like a skillet is supposed to work) to prevent it from happening again I overcame it through sheer cussed willpower.




I love it.

The best I've done on that note was in the dream that precedes

it (they always have some giveaway before the onset)-- I was so

fed up that I came to a complete stop and told the creeper that

was after me to gtf away (albeit, hysterically)... and it did.

o___O

Who knew?

But once I'm in a lock, not gonna lie, I call on God, Jesus...

whichever I get out first, lol and poof... tis gone.

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quote:
Originally posted by PixieJane:
I've had sleep paralysis a handful of times besides that but they no longer scared me because I knew I could handle it and there wasn't anything present. It was uncomfortable and I break myself out of it ASAP and can do so pretty fast now, though at least once (and I think twice) I was so sleep-deprived that I actually willed myself to go back to sleep and did so!

Heh... nice.

I don't know if I could go back to sleep before I got out of it--

never tried, but I have been able to get out pretty quickly, as

of late.

Used to be, I felt like I was drowning-- literally being pulled under.

Once out, though, and fully awake, I still hear that weird background

noise (idk what else to call it) like there's a dinner party on the

other end of the house, or a television on in the other room-- can't

understand a word, but it's there.

I've only seen something like that mentioned once before, but in a

different context (see: '... couldn't understand a gd word') In2Worlds)

Almost halfway down the page-- and the whole story is interesting.

This is covered, too (but idk where to find, exactly.. somewhere

in the link above).

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Originally posted by GeminiKarat:
I turned into light and wanted to hug the dark side. It ran away....

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As for nothing being present, I don't disagree... but some think that

our spirit or soul leaves 3rd, when we dream (I have no idea)-- so it

makes sense to me that, if it's authentic-- that's where it is.


Friend of mine has experienced this (sleep par.), too, but much differently--

can't recall the terminology (will add in, if I remember)... to the degree

that she had a sleep study done. :/

But she is also susceptible to OBE's, apparently, which she discovered when

she had to take pain medication... water sun influence, maybe?

Anyway... thanks for the response. :-)


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quote:
Originally posted by GeminiKarat:
That was indeed a wild ride ...

Sounds like it.


quote:
Originally posted by GeminiKarat:
... and there is a medical, psychological and somehow logical explanation to it.

I'm not so sure-- but let me know when you find out what it is.

Appreciate your response, GeminiKarat.


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posted July 02, 2015 02:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Eirlys:
But once I'm in a lock, not gonna lie, I call on God, Jesus...

whichever I get out first, lol and poof... tis gone.


Curious, do you cry out MENTALLY or do you cry out physically?

I ask because many find they break out of it when they can move a finger, as soon as they can move anything then they come out of it and I figure that would include the vocal cords.

But if it's mental then that opens another can of worms. I have heard of Grey "aliens" repelled in the name of Christ (among other metaphysical qualities, like a guy who repelled them with cold iron, an old staple against fairies after you) and things like Grey aliens do seem to be linked to sleep paralysis (*). So if it's a "mental cry" then I'd wonder if it's purely biological/psychological or if there's something quasi-real at work here that can only affect people at "crossroads" (a common place for supernatural and UFO encounters of all sorts, which includes seasons, locations, certain ages, literal crossroads, and also "in between wakefulness and sleep" which plenty of shamanic and other occult techniques to open one's self to the spirit world also take place in which the names of gods and spirits have power over hostile entities).

(*Even so it's stranger than sleep paralysis since plenty of UFO encounters involve strange things like radiation burns which isn't simply the brain just being a bit screwy. And a friend of mine told me of her abductee boyfriend in college which she didn't believe until she and several other college students saw a UFO over campus in great detail and she ran to get her sleeping boyfriend as she figured he'd want to see this since UFOs interested him but he was gone, and then after the UFO left she went back to his room and saw him sleeping there. Waking him up he said he'd been asleep in that bed the entire time!)

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posted July 04, 2015 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eirlys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Originally posted by PixieJane:
Curious, do you cry out MENTALLY or do you cry out physically?

I ask because many find they break out of it when they can move a finger, as soon as they can move anything then they come out of it and I figure that would include the vocal cords.

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I've heard that, as well.

But tbh, I don't know-- if I had to guess, I'd say that it was

mental because I've had it happen when I wasn't alone and no one's

been like, 'Wtf was that all about?'

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
But if it's mental then that opens another can of worms. I have heard of Grey "aliens" repelled in the name of Christ (among other metaphysical qualities, like a guy who repelled them with cold iron, an old staple against fairies after you) and things like Grey aliens do seem to be linked to sleep paralysis (*)..... "crossroads" (a common place for supernatural and UFO encounters of all sorts, which includes seasons, locations, certain ages, literal crossroads, and also "in between wakefulness and sleep" which plenty of shamanic and other occult techniques to open one's self to the spirit world also take place...
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I first read that as Cold iron repels aliens, and old staples repel fairies.

Interesting you mention this, though-- "in between wakefulness and sleep..."

which, I guess, means you're half in-half out...I'd been wondering about that, too.

*Eta:

Something as simple as nodding in front of the computer-- it feels fantastic, but

I've figured out that this is another sort of in-between, but I wasn't aware of

what you posted.

Srsly though, why is it so enchanting? lol


You've had me looking up all the folklore on 'cold-iron' and the faeries, etc

(there's a lot of info out there o.O), alien-grays, and all that accompanies them.


On the aliens/greys...

... in which the names of gods and spirits have power over hostile entities).

(*Even so it's stranger than sleep paralysis since plenty of UFO encounters involve strange things like radiation burns which isn't simply the brain just being a bit screwy. And a friend of mine told me of her abductee boyfriend in college which she didn't believe until she and several other college students saw a UFO over campus in great detail and she ran to get her sleeping boyfriend as she figured he'd want to see this since UFOs interested him but he was gone, and then after the UFO left she went back to his room and saw him sleeping there. Waking him up he said he'd been asleep in that bed the entire time!)


That would have freaked me out

I don't differentiate, though-- I think they're all of the same

nature (whether grays or faeries, etc), and if one is repelled,

then it's my belief that they all would be repelled.

Invoking the names of other spirits or gods could be effective,

I imagine, if they had more power... seems that there would be

some kind of hierarchy (I've read something to that effect, anyway).

But radiation burns or marks of any kind have never surfaced... not

with me-- nothing that interesting, though I've read accounts of people

who have had those experiences.

I don't envy them.


I think I'm babbling at this point--

I'm just going to watch it... I'll report back.


Thanks for the extra info here-- appreciate it, Pixiejane.

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posted July 12, 2015 12:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eirlys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It started slow, but I was fairly glued to it,

halfway through.


Glad I watched it... and some have it much worse (omg).


But it's nothing to pay full price for (I just rented

via imbd-amazon).


I'm going to post spoilers, if we can even call them

that... because I have to tell someone about this.

But first, I need coffee.


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posted July 12, 2015 03:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiKarat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted July 13, 2015 01:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eirlys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by GeminiKarat:

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I had to go look at a car (my transmission bit the dust),

and completely forgot about this post.


Sorry


Will finish, later ... (I know, I'm horrible).

*hangs head*


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posted July 16, 2015 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eirlys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by GeminiKarat:
This film is a documentary for those, who have experienced it and will be a horror movie for those who belong to the lucky group of people without that experience.


Definitely.

Anyway

It chronicles the experiences of maybe four to five people, between the ages of

approx 28 and idk... late forties?

But two really stood out.


The first was a guy who had never even heard of sleep paralysis (let's say

Matt.. can't remember his name), until his girlfriend told him what was

happening to her.

He thought it was weird (or that she was weird), but soon after, it started

happening to him, too-- and it wasn't just the paralysis.

It sounded like he was was being pulled into the aether/astral, as well.

He believes it's 'contagious' like that, now-- he has told others, and then... it

happens to them, too. o.O


One of the worst, he said, was an afternoon nap... his phone started to ring,

seemingly, after he'd just laid down.

The caller was just some guy-- very pleasant-- he said, "Hey, Matt... I

was wondering if you could do me a favor."

Matt made a wtf face and said, "What kind of favor?"

To which the caller roared, "LET ME IN!"

(I jumped .)

After that, the whole room went into a tailspin, everything went flying, etc

But when he woke, only a couple of minutes had passed.


Another time, he'd let some friends crash at his house-- that night, he went

into paralysis, and a red-eyed entity appeared and told him he was going to kill

him (or something)... but he was woken up by the girl who was sleeping next to him,

when she started screaming hysterically.


She said that *she* had been in the grip of sleep paralysis, and there had been

a black cat with red eyes, laying on her chest talking to Matt-- but she couldn't

understand what he was saying... different language.

So they both shared the same "dream"... I guess-- which is why I think he was

being pulled into the aether, because that wasn't a dream.


There was another guy who has managed to stay somewhat sane, by sheer force of will,

it seems-- sleep paralysis is one of his earliest memories.

Or rather, the creatures in the 'dreams' are some of his earliest memories.

They look more or less like the pop-culture aliens, but surrounded (or covered by)

tv snow (you have to see it... that was his description, though).


He tells a story of this girl that he met (as an adult), and notes that they

both were walking the line juuust outside insanity, at the time .

He said they were walking in the woods one afternoon, when they decided they were

going to be "Receptive"... she made a stone circle, stepped inside, and covered her eyes.

She began to describe the entity she 'saw'... and then, she started laughing.

He asked why, and she said, "Oh... she says for you not to worry about the demons

behind you."

When he turned around, he sees the *alien* entities from his 'dreams.'

This was a really interesting segment... for one, they were wide awake when it

happened-- and I think that was a pivotal thing for him (but I can't remember how...

sorry).


There were more, but these are the ones that stood out to me-- and there's no way I

can recount them with the detail (and drama!) that the film did... but you get the idea.


Unfortunately, the guy in the last story still has found no resolution.

And another believes that it's probably going to end up killing him via heart attack or

stroke-- another has intellectualized the whole thing.

Very interesting, peoples different responses.


Ultimately ... glad I watched.


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posted July 16, 2015 04:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiKarat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

As you watched it: Did any of those people fight those entities? They are already within them and will not go away until the final combat. paralysis, paranormal, paranoid.

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para- (1) Look up para- at Dictionary.com
before vowels, par-, word-forming element meaning "alongside, beyond; altered; contrary; irregular, abnormal," from Greek para- from para (prep.) "beside, near, issuing from, against, contrary to," from PIE *prea, from root *per- (1) "forward, through" (see per). Cognate with Old English for- "off, away."
para- (2) Look up para- at Dictionary.com
word-forming element meaning "defense, protection against; that which protects from," from Italian para, imperative of parare "to ward off," from Latin parare "make ready" (see pare).

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posted July 16, 2015 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eirlys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by GeminiKarat:
As you watched it: Did any of those people fight those entities? They are already within them and will not go away until the final combat. paralysis, paranormal, paranoid.


Well, that's interesting... that they are already 'within'

Or maybe the affect is within-- hmmm


And no, I don't recall that any of them actually fought

the entities, physically, though one did get rid of them

once and for all (Jesus... all she said, and is no longer

an atheist-- go figure-- I didn't expect that in this film).

But I see your point.



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posted July 17, 2015 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The reviews look pretty bad:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3317522/reviews?ref_=tt_urv

So I think what I'll probably do is wait for someone else to get it and watch it with them or wait until I can find it on YT. Right now it looks as if about all it has going for it is special effects and a few well-done gripping scenes.

But I just watched this documentary on shadow people, night hags, and other forms of sleep paralysis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kozn8NaSsFs

It ranged from the scientific to the paranormal (including others who were awake witnessing such entities and shared experiences) to the religious (from people using bits of the Koran to ward off the devil to a Catholic demonologist). One didn't seem to be the same thing (and they described it as a possession rather than assault) but they arranged for one who experienced terrible night terrors mixed with rage filled sleepwalking to be examined at a sleep center and the EEG they hooked him to showed that he was in deep sleep and not dreaming when he opened his eyes in terror (they don't know why, but it did give a bit of insight, it's apparent his brain is TRYING to wake up and literally fighting to do so). Overall it explored many perspectives which I liked.

And it showed art with lots of black gargoyle like entities very similar to what I experienced shown from 10:30-:45.

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posted July 18, 2015 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eirlys     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by PixieJane:
The reviews look pretty bad:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3317522/reviews?ref_=tt_urv

So I think what I'll probably do is wait for someone else to get it and watch it with them or wait until I can find it on YT. Right now it looks as if about all it has going for it is special effects and a few well-done gripping scenes.

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I don't even recall any special effects... anything gripping was

as a result of the storyteller's delivery-- that it was fact, and

the (still) mystified looks on their faces, is what held me.

It was really a documentary, in that sense.

It was probably very low budget, as well... but it satisfied my

curiosity, and the dent in my amazon account was negligible.

But I just watched this documentary on shadow people, night hags, and other forms of sleep paralysis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kozn8NaSsFs

It ranged from the scientific to the paranormal (including others who were awake witnessing such entities and shared experiences) to the religious (from people using bits of the Koran to ward off the devil to a Catholic demonologist). One didn't seem to be the same thing (and they described it as a possession rather than assault) but they arranged for one who experienced terrible night terrors mixed with rage filled sleepwalking to be examined at a sleep center and the EEG they hooked him to showed that he was in deep sleep and not dreaming when he opened his eyes in terror (they don't know why, but it did give a bit of insight, it's apparent his brain is TRYING to wake up and literally fighting to do so). Overall it explored many perspectives which I liked.

And it showed art with lots of black gargoyle like entities very similar to what I experienced shown from 10:30-:45.



Yeah, this:

'... it's apparent his brain is TRYING to wake up and literally

fighting to do so'


Watching, now-- and thanks for the link.


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posted July 18, 2015 03:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiKarat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
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Well, that's interesting... that they are already 'within'

Or maybe the affect is within-- hmmm


And no, I don't recall that any of them actually fought

the entities, physically, though one did get rid of them

once and for all (Jesus... all she said, and is no longer

an atheist-- go figure-- I didn't expect that in this film).

But I see your point.




It is good to see that at least one found a way.

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
But I just watched this documentary on shadow people, night hags, and other forms of sleep paralysis:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kozn8NaSsFs

It ranged from the scientific to the paranormal (including others who were awake witnessing such entities and shared experiences) to the religious (from people using bits of the Koran to ward off the devil to a Catholic demonologist). One didn't seem to be the same thing (and they described it as a possession rather than assault) but they arranged for one who experienced terrible night terrors mixed with rage filled sleepwalking to be examined at a sleep center and the EEG they hooked him to showed that he was in deep sleep and not dreaming when he opened his eyes in terror (they don't know why, but it did give a bit of insight, it's apparent his brain is TRYING to wake up and literally fighting to do so). Overall it explored many perspectives which I liked.

And it showed art with lots of black gargoyle like entities very similar to what I experienced shown from 10:30-:45.


That is a good one! The last guy - I guess Craig - would be interesting to work with. He has a strong will and is a fighter. I do not think that a medical approach would help him.

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Originally posted by GeminiKarat:
That is a good one! The last guy - I guess Craig - would be interesting to work with. He has a strong will and is a fighter. I do not think that a medical approach would help him.



I get this, usually I can't speak. No matter how hard I try to speak I can't. From psychology which helped alot it just means that I feel I don't have a voice or loss of control with whatever is bothering me. I do get the other dreams, I don't really talk about it. I just had alot of childhood trauma and it's like PTSD somewhat. I wake up but the feeling is so real that my adrenaline is pumping even though I know where I'm at. A demon or monster is just an ego that your mind has created that your dealing with. Coin phrase " dealing with your deamons" and biblical reasons, probably why the mind creates it as a demon/monster. It's ment to scare you because your mind is dealing with the fact of whatever issue you are dealing with in order to heal itself. That's why we need REM sleep. Body paralasis is the state of being in sleep and wakefulness, it's also to keep you from sleepwalking. Your body also jerks during sleep because the mind will send out a signal that the body is dyeing.

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posted July 19, 2015 03:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for GeminiKarat     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I get this, usually I can't speak. No matter how hard I try to speak I can't. From psychology which helped alot it just means that I feel I don't have a voice or loss of control with whatever is bothering me. I do get the other dreams, I don't really talk about it. I just had alot of childhood trauma and it's like PTSD somewhat. I wake up but the feeling is so real that my adrenaline is pumping even though I know where I'm at. A demon or monster is just an ego that your mind has created that your dealing with. Coin phrase " dealing with your deamons" and biblical reasons, probably why the mind creates it as a demon/monster. It's ment to scare you because your mind is dealing with the fact of whatever issue you are dealing with in order to heal itself. That's why we need REM sleep. Body paralasis is the state of being in sleep and wakefulness, it's also to keep you from sleepwalking. Your body also jerks during sleep because the mind will send out a signal that the body is dyeing.


I read your post. I prefer the psychological approach as well, BUT that is me. I can see that every approach to a solution is an individual one and you are doing a good "job"!

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posted July 19, 2015 08:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by colorful butterfly:
I just had alot of childhood trauma and it's like PTSD somewhat. I wake up but the feeling is so real that my adrenaline is pumping even though I know where I'm at. A demon or monster is just an ego that your mind has created that your dealing with. Coin phrase " dealing with your deamons" and biblical reasons, probably why the mind creates it as a demon/monster. It's ment to scare you because your mind is dealing with the fact of whatever issue you are dealing with in order to heal itself.

I also had terrible PTSD nightmares from childhood trauma, and it was different from the sleep paralysis incident that I described. They are not the same at all, at least it wasn't for me.

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Early this morning I had this weird dream in which Freddy Kruger of Nightmare on Elm Street was wanting the chance to kill me.

I never was much of a fan of this horror series, though I liked the first and third (Dream Warriors) somewhat when I saw them at age 18 (saw the entire series, more or less, on video with others who had rented them all--ETA: not Freddy vs. Jason which hadn't come out yet and I thought it was fun in a dark, gruesome way) but overall I wasn't impressed and even skipped quite a bit as I got bored or annoyed with it. (My nightmares often tended to be a lot more gruesome anyway.)

That said, I later LOVED New Nightmare, which was more Neil Gaiman or Charles DeLint later, essentially a bogeyman from some fairy-like realm was trying to enter this world by taking the form of Freddy and thus the actor who played Freddy Kruger as well as the actress who played the one woman who defeated him (in the first movie) were targeted by the bogeyman first. This monster wasn't Freddy, but was instead trying to use the popularity of Freddy to somehow become part of this world to kill (in a way Freddy would then become real, but more as imitation and the powers of the two weren't identical).

So anyway in my dream I was told to go into a room that I knew Freddy was in but I refused because it just struck me as stupid and somehow I knew that if I didn't then I was safe. This surprised and angered Freddy who came out but as I didn't go in he couldn't hurt me. He killed a couple of friends in front of me trying to taunt me to come in and face him but I knew that he didn't really kill them and as long as I didn't go into that room he couldn't. Freddy eventually had to accept defeat, I wasn't going in and thus he was powerless over me.

This was strange (especially the certainty that as long as I didn't open the door--and only I could open it, no one else--then I was safe) and about an hour ago I finally got a chance to meditate on it. First, I realized that though the house wasn't identical to the one I lived in as a child, it was where I was living when this bizarre incident (with nightmares) happened as described at November 14, 2014 01:54 AM (and the post immediately following) here:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum27/HTML/002103.html

And yet I got the feeling that I wasn't dealing with that entity...but that I was instead dealing with whatever force had taken the form of a shadowy black gargoyle entity I described in a previous post on this thread, and because I'd defeated it then it wasn't able to come back. But had I opened the door and walked in then I'd have opened myself to it...and opened the door to it to enter into my dream world, so to speak.

I'm so glad I didn't!

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So anyway in my dream I was told to go into a room that I knew Freddy was in but I refused because it just struck me as stupid and somehow I knew that if I didn't then I was safe. This surprised and angered Freddy who came out but as I didn't go in he couldn't hurt me. He killed a couple of friends in front of me trying to taunt me to come in and face him but I knew that he didn't really kill them and as long as I didn't go into that room he couldn't. Freddy eventually had to accept defeat, I wasn't going in and thus he was powerless over me.

This was strange (especially the certainty that as long as I didn't open the door--and only I could open it, no one else--then I was safe) and about an hour ago I finally got a chance to meditate on it. First, I realized that though the house wasn't identical to the one I lived in as a child, it was where I was living when this bizarre incident (with nightmares) happened as described at November 14, 2014 01:54 AM (and the post immediately following) here:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum27/HTML/002103.html


Dreams like that remind me of the film dreamcatcher.

that you did not do it!

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Art on human consciousness, with an emphasis on dreams and the subconscious (including sleep paralysis nightmares):
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35585875

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