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PixieJane
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posted April 22, 2017 01:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Long story short, I was exchanging ideas with someone and we got to talking about how white hair often means either great and powerful, even mythic level, good (such as Willow at the end of Buffy, Taarna from Heavy Metal, and all of the Seven Sisters of the Forgotten Realms among other mystical white haired characters) or evil (such as from the Village of the Damned and the enigmatic but often villainous Dash-X from Eerie, Indiana, and other white-haired black hearts ) and I remembered a dream someone shared with me.

Since then I emailed him and he has given me permission to share the relevant part, though he wasn't up to refreshing my memory on the particulars. My own research did not come up with anything that would fit (and some of those sites are buggy at best) so I thought I'd ask here. I think it's worth mentioning that this guy's mother he dreamed about was about as abusive as evil mothers from Stephen King novels and also a champion gaslighter (he dreamed of this when he was still a kid), and also that he's psychic (he still doesn't know what this means, however).

All I can recall is that he had found some books (or a book) that were/was spelled "Julu" but pronounced "Jeectu" (I recall no details other than that, save that the number 6 was also important somehow, but I can't recall if there were 6 books, 6 chapters, or what). When the book was read (can't recall if it was him or someone else) it released a demonic presence that terrified him and possessed his mother. When his mother was possessed she had pure white hair, and the hair terrified him. His mom switched back to normal with her normal hair and then possessed with white hair again, and in the end of the dream he was running as his white-haired demon mother was chasing him with the family shotgun and he knew that if she fired while she was possessed that it would kill him...his mother never got the chance as he had corners to turn around, and then woke up when he was finally outside his home and had no more places to run around. (This dream scared him so bad that he actually stole and hid the family shotgun which got him into a lot of trouble. Reacting to a dream like that was not normal for him.)

So what do you think the white hair meant? And why would it terrify him?


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It's been awhile since I looked closely in this forum, but I'll go through a few either later tonight and/or in the days ahead (and see some intriguing titles).

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posted April 22, 2017 04:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have ideas for him, based on live workshops I'd attended with some dream researchers. Dr Scott Sparrow described a dream with similar elements to this, and how he worked to resolve the dream.

First also-- I'd like to know his general age.

- What is in his religious background-- Christ, Catholic, Krishna, Eastern oriental, etc.
- Has he studied (been interested in) Chinese history, studied oriental culture, or south-asian mysticism or meditative/martial arts practices?
- Has he ever had an interest in Past Lives, or had any sessions for PL Regression therapy?
- Has he had any background in Christian trauma counseling?

Is he also into Japanese anime, like you are, PJ?

Was his mother a religious person? (~besides an Abuser! {{ }} ..), prone towards wielding out-of-context scripture AT him? {{ }}

Thanks. {Besides contents of these questions, I'll share some of my ideas later.}

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posted April 22, 2017 08:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello PixieJane,
I think that your friend had, as a child, a great fear of his mother. The white hair could symbolize the fear of old age and dying/deterioration of the body, and it may well mean your friend had a fear so strong, that it was almost a deadly fear. In other words, he feared his mother like he feared death. He may have dreamt his mother was possesed since he didn't want to think or believe his mother was evil, but rather controlled by an evil entity. I do not know what the name of the book in the dream could mean, or why it was pronounced differently than it was spelled (could it be some recollection of a foreign language from another life? Or perhaps some twisting of a word he has heard but didn't capture precisely?). The number 6 means love, as we know from numerology it is ruled by Venus, and one could think about the bond of love that should exist between a mother and child, that here was the ground for evil. But the number could have meant something rather personal for him in his childhood. Perhaps he even heard of the number 666 that some say represents Satan, and remembered the 6 for the dream...

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posted April 22, 2017 08:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ayelet:
Hello PixieJane,
I think that your friend had, as a child, a great fear of his mother. The white hair could symbolize the fear of old age and dying/deterioration of the body, and it may well mean your friend had a fear so strong, that it was almost a deadly fear. In other words, he feared his mother like he feared death. He may have dreamt his mother was possesed since he didn't want to think or believe his mother was evil, but rather controlled by an evil entity.

That's quite clever and may actually be true!

He did ask that if anything interesting comes up that I forward it to him, and I will that (though not today).

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posted April 22, 2017 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mirage29:
I'd like to know

I believe he's in his late 40s now, but this dream happened when he was, IIRC, 15. (He first told me of this dream back in 1999-2000.)

He was raised Christian, though he was not particularly religious. His mother was more religious, but wasn't big on quoting scripture or even going to church that much, but did like to threaten him with Hell (*).

(* He even has an amusing story of when his mother used to tell him she could hear the devil crackling out of the ground to get him as he told a lie and then pretending to drive the devil away, thus ironically stopping his lies with a lie of her own. But this was something that gave him nightmares of the devil staring in at him from the window and he had a fear of the devil eating him. Ironically, his mom's lie prevented anymore lies from him as he was so terrified. That is, until his mother wrongly assumed he was lying and said she heard the devil crackling out of the ground. He realized then that it was his mother lying, and in a moment of righteous rage of realizing he'd been duped by a lie he shouted, "THEN HE'S COMING FOR YOU!" )

He has studied the occult, but it was from a western perspective. Offhand, the only Oriental term I recall him using is "tulpa," but he still described such astral constructs in western ways otherwise (he just wanted to differentiate them from "watchers" and "elementals" used in the Hermetic tradition). As an adult he became a neopagan and came to believe that the Bible was inspired by a demon falsely claiming to be a god, but I don't believe this had occurred to him in his teens. He has only expressed mild curiosity about past lives to me, and I'm not sure what his personal beliefs are (or were).

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posted April 22, 2017 09:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Btw, there was one other dream mystery that involved both his mother and father that I thought I'd throw out. This is something that has baffled him as well.

For about 1-2 years, I'm thinking between the ages 12-13, he had a recurring nightmare (sometimes while sleepwalking which freaked him out more) in which he'd wake up either on the couch or in his bed. He'd then get up, perhaps to go to the bathroom (I'm only guessing at this part), and crossing the dark hallway he'd hear a gravelly, demonic voice calling out, "JOHN!"

His name was never John (at least not in this life). He knew the name meant him but not why it did. He was then forced to walk down the hallway to his parent's bedroom where he'd see his dad running away in some surreal way (I forget the details on that point) and then he was by his mom's side of the bed where his mother was not...but then would look up and his mom, a vampiric monster, would fall upon him and he'd wake up shrieking (there were times that his mother in real life then came into his room to slap him around because he had woken her up with his screaming, which of course didn't help).

I suppose it's worth saying that his dad was also abusive, but usually to please the mother. The victim here told me that he once logically explained how he could not be guilty of what his mother accused him of and his dad said then that he knew but it was "easier to go along with her." This may have something to do with his dad "running away" in the nightmare.

Any idea why he'd be called "JOHN" by his demon mother in a nightmare?

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posted April 22, 2017 09:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
While I'm at it, I can also mentioned that the abuse was bad enough that he tried suicide even at that age. Actually, he said he was more intent on stopping the relentless nightmares. His mom had been in an accident and had some painkillers. He was scared of getting caught and at his young age figured just a handful would kill him, so that's what he took. I don't recall his age but it was before he was a teenager.

He got really stoned, ended up giggling and wound up on the floor until his mother came in slapping him which caused him to see stars, but didn't hurt at all. He finally went to sleep and had a long, intense dream of being in a loving family, a family he had never seen before, and never saw since. He felt so safe and loved there that it somehow transferred over to his life that prevented him from another suicide attempt for years. That one has also mystified him.

For those who may have read the posts in the past, this is the same guy who had met "Timothy" when he was like 10, a spirit that comforted him (but scared him initially sounding like someone breathing under his bed) and gave him good (even crystal clear prophetic) dreams, but then vanished for some unknown reason. Later, at age 14, he was caught in a pool with self-generating waves and realized he didn't have the strength to save himself. Accepting that he was going to die quite peacefully a lifeguard yelled at him to swim to him, which he did even though he didn't think he could, and when he got there at the lifeguard's feet the lifeguard was then gone--and for reasons he believe that was Timothy coming to him one last time.

Though he doesn't know why this would happen when so many others don't get any such aid, and suicide and abuse are both rampant. But I do know he ended up helping a lot of people as an adult, including me, so he did make a positive difference. (I also believe that his sticking keys into an electrical socket when he was a small child, an experience that put him outside of his body, is a big contributing factor to why he was psychic and why he could interact somewhat with spirits.)

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posted April 22, 2017 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's an amazing story, about Timothy.
Perhaps the loving family he saw in the dream was his spiritual family, which is with him at all times, connected through the heart. He felt loved and protected, and that gave him the courage and strengh to go on with life. I believe it was no accident he got this dream after trying to commit suicide.
I think it is a logical explanation, that he saw his father running away the same way his father avoided confrontation with the mother. It could also be that your friend sensed his father feared his mother as well.
I don't have a sure guess as to why your friend heard the name John. Maybe it was his name in another life, when he also knew the soul who is his mom in the current life. Maybe he heard of a certain John, or read a story containing a character named John, and identified with him.

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posted April 22, 2017 11:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
{{My edit didn't take-- I didn't see above two posts. Poor guy...}}

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Any idea why he'd be called "JOHN" by his demon mother in a nightmare?

Name of "JOHN" .. is a name associated with The Revelator, in the Bible.

From "John" and "White hair" I thought of the image in the Book of Revelations.

John’s Vision of Christ

9 I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos because of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.
10 On the Lord’s Day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,
11 which said: “Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the seven churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatira, Sardis, Philadelphia and Laodicea.”

12 I turned around to see the voice that was speaking to me.
And when I turned I saw seven golden lampstands,
13 and among the lampstands was someone like a son of man, dressed in a robe reaching down to his feet and with a golden sash around his chest.

14 The hair on his head was white like wool, as white as snow, and his eyes were like blazing fire.

15 His feet were like bronze glowing in a furnace, and his voice was like the sound of rushing waters.
16 In his right hand he held seven stars, and coming out of his mouth was a sharp, double-edged sword.
His face was like the sun shining in all its brilliance.

17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead.
Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last.

18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever!
And I hold the keys of death and Hades.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+1&version=NIV

His demon mom was scaring him about the devil from Hades?

Maybe his subconscious remembered in the Bible that Jesus (in Book of Revelation, and Book of Daniel) is described as having special glowy supernatural white hair, ... and in a child's understanding, Jesus was the Hero/Champion who went down to Hell, beat-up the devil, then came up out the crack with the Keys to Victory?

The little child (who was fighting mom the devil and her cohort) understood he had someone who knew Hell and would stop that from happening.

omg, I LOVE it that he told his mom the devil was coming for HER!!! yes!!

Personally, THAT was horribly Cruel!!!

Gaslighter?? = Making (victim) guilty for EVERYTHING. Doubting even the actual-reality he saw with his eyes, or felt in his body.
Can make you feel exploded-exposed crazy-in-the-brain as *they* have you in an energetic hold-- like in a vise or press.

(Crazy-in-the-brain = Hair, White and glowy. Nuclear fizzing Fear. White with sheer terror! Fear explodes the conscious mind?, Mechanism where person enters an altered or heightened dimension, a state of awareness or consciousness?, not necessarily belonging to religion.)

________________________

The Past Life question I had is based on a word used in that dream-- Julu.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Julu

{I may or may not come back to expand thoughts on Julu. I got tired, but didn't want to lose what I did on this post.}

Have a good weekend!

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posted April 23, 2017 01:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks, all.

I think I'll just forward a link to him for him to take a look as it's too much for me to send it all with context, but he's not on the computer much so it may be days before he looks at it, and may be days longer before he replies to me.

Just commenting about the gaslighting, I'm glad I escaped that much from my own home. Others tried it to me outside the home, but that more just ticked me off rather than actually make me question my reality or feel deserving of abuse.

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posted April 23, 2017 10:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by PixieJane:
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Just commenting about the gaslighting, I'm glad I escaped that much from my own home.

Others tried it to me outside the home, but that more just ticked me off rather than actually make me question my reality or feel deserving of abuse.


That's blessed, PJ.

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posted April 23, 2017 07:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
^^

That sounds common of those gaslighted. The guy I'm speaking of (who I'm pretty sure won't mind my saying something to show understanding as he's very responsive to the pain of others) talks about how his mother's favorite phrase was "you dreamed that." Another one is that if he complains or claims to be abused then they're not because victims of abuse invariably love their abuser while the rest are just spoiled whiners who don't know what abuse is (or words to that effect, said many times over the years) but of course when he pretended all was perfect then so did his mom (until she had another shift). But that was just one of many "damned if you do, damned if you don't." It didn't matter what he did, including following instructions to the letter, it was going to end with him being brutalized, and told how it was all his fault, and that he was "making" them be that way toward him (I know this last one is common to abusers).

One of the most angering to me is that they'd search his things for art (which he sometimes got beaten for, especially if it referenced, even if only symbolically, the abuse he was raised with), writing, even books that they policed carefully to make sure it promoted the family image and didn't "warp" him (that was their job).

And it wasn't just his parents, but also 2 other places he regularly stayed (they all had a lot of secrets and problems). One got him an electronics kit for Christmas, presumably to get him to show a more masculine hobby (he was suspected gay for a long while because he was actually considerate to people, imagine being in a family where you're punished for being considerate, while at the same time having to learn complicated rules to give the appearance of normality to the outside world!) and he actually enjoyed it. Unfortunately, he only got to keep it until he figured out how to create an alarm powered by light, and he decided to leave it in a drawer hidden under clothes for the next time his room was searched while he was at school (that is, it would take a search rummaging around which exposed some cells to light, not just opening it up, to set it off). The very first day home from school after setting that up and his aunt was waiting for him with a belt who yelled that she had thought that device of wires screaming at her was a bomb! He told me that whipping was worth it, though he missed the electronics kit (which apparently got trashed in a rage by his aunt who had gotten it for him in the first place).

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On to someone else that I will only identify as a Libra sun, Scorpio-stellium on LL before, she was also a victim of heavy gaslighting growing up, I figured that her background of abuse had a lot to do with why she would radically change for a domineering man, one who made her give up her precious unicorn stuff as he thought it silly, and even made her give up her dog though he would probably be put down. This last part is something we could not believe when she went along with it, it was as if an alien entity had taken over her body.

I visited her because I didn't believe what the others were saying and found she had indeed gone Stepford or pod person or some such. And when people (including myself) tried to talk sense into her or at least get a reason she'd then use a type of gaslighting (though it seemed more directed at herself than us) on why we were such villains, and she had the most amazing acrobatic memory (remembering only what she wanted to in order to create a false story, and that includes of her own words and actions). The radical way she changed for him....in a way it's as if she died, though why she did for him (who wasn't even rich or good looking as most women require before they kill off their inner-selves like that) is beyond me.

It was frightening to see, and I even talked to 2 friends about what to do if such ever happened to me (or to them), all of us wanting to be "deprogrammed" if that ever happened to any of us. Hopefully it's not possible for a person to become that way if they weren't raised by being gaslighted, and reading your post there made me think of how vulnerable it makes one personality-wise, and thus how easy to control.

I personally think gaslighting is the worst type of abuse (it's certainly the most insidious), even more so than physical and sexual, and that's saying something, but of course gaslighting is almost always going to be accompanied by at least one other type of abuse. In any case, the PTSD support group I went to showed that those who were gaslighted along with the abuse or trauma made it much harder for them to recover from it.

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posted April 24, 2017 12:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PJ... I thank you for your always-thoughtful support. You have a lot of Compassion for people, and I appreciate that about you.

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posted April 24, 2017 07:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SecretGeek     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
IMO White hair = Wisdom.

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posted April 24, 2017 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I can remove the 'personal' parts of my posts for your friend, for later?

You can do what you want, of course, but I think he'd be curious to what I was replying to at least (but I might remove my own response as well).

There's a good chance he'll see this by Saturday, though it may take him a few more days to respond (computers are slow where he's at and he has limited time for them).

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posted April 25, 2017 12:04 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Then, I'll wait. You give very good responses, and I would want him to see that.

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posted April 25, 2017 03:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks. I'll let you know when he emails me.

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posted April 27, 2017 08:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
He has seen this thread and told me to pass along his thanks.

He got inspired to think that maybe the "demonic possession" was the abuse he knows was inflicted upon his Scorpio moon mother, perhaps one that was "whitewashed." But his mother was then trying to pass along her demons into him through the abuse she inflicted on him. (He didn't feel like giving personal details, though he didn't mind what I shared.)

He does like anime, but not anywhere as much as I do. He has also noticed that Japanese anime tends to use western occult concepts more than their own, something he guesses is because it's more mysterious to them while their own is more ordinary (from their perspective). (I'll personally add that I think the Japanese, generally speaking, find us morbidly fascinating in a love/hate and cool/baffling way as we do them which inspires them to look at our subconscious/occult symbols to better understand us, or at least stare fascinated, just as we tend to do their culture. I also think Japan could use a little more of our self-assertiveness while we in the USA could stand to learn a little more of their civility and harmony and mutual respect, and we both seek to balance out the respective extremes that limit us.)

He doesn't know if it means anything, but back when he was desperate to make the constant nightmares stop he did include a prayer that starts, "Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, bless this bed I lay on..." But he'd guess that the "John" nightmare was either something from a past life, or (he has a strong feeling of this), something from his mother's past that made her the way she became.

And he told me to pass on mirage29 that he knows what she's talking about when it came to keeping track of 2 records privately. At one point his nephew was going to confront this guy's mother and he warned him what she'd say about it all being a dream and then punishing him later, and the realization in his nephew's eyes that such was indeed the pattern. They helped keep each other (relatively) sane, no small accomplishment, as they compared notes on the gaslighting and gave each other a heads up on her changing moods.

He also told me to pass along congratulations to mirage29 on not becoming another "zombie" to infect others, and that you are thus stronger than you may realize. (I'm sure he's thinking of zombies as predatory ghouls that spread their infection, causing people to die, reanimate, and then turn on their loved ones to spread the disease--the real horror of the zombie apocalypse in my own personal opinion--which I think is different from how you meant it, mirage, and thus clarifying.)

And from myself, thanks all.

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posted April 27, 2017 11:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks.

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IMO White hair = Wisdom.

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