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Still_Hopeful
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posted July 10, 2019 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Still_Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I posted this dream my my previous topic, but decided to create a new one. Any help with explanation?
"inally , I dream today Dream was strange though. I , with my mom and my daughter at the plastic surgeon office (lol), for some reason I have to see him ... beats me , why
While talking to him, my daughter runs somewhere, I started to chase her (hence interrupted a meeting.... and I do not remember what we were talking about)Anyways, I fetched my daughter and returned to his office, still wondering why I am here and what we talked about. but I see he is busy with something, so I stopped in front of his office , which has big glass doors and windows. All of the sudden I see big beautiful photographic portraits of myself on his walls (not 1 but 2 from different angles). They are very good quality and definitely professional. I am wearing pink dress (PINK is not my color)Anyways, I stopped there in awe, what my photographs doing in his office and why I am in his office and why I came to see plastic surgeon and what we are talking about. He sees me but ignores me completely, apparently upset with me at me for running to get my daughter. (she is 8) . I felt funny... ignored and little bit ashamed and even angry . So I am standing there in front of his big glass window/door and trying to figure out why I am angry , why I felt ignore and what rubbish it is. Then I turn around and walked out his office completely, thinking I will get back and talk again but not now.
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posted July 10, 2019 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Still_Hopeful. First of all congratulations for remembering the dream.Going to the plastic surgeon may suggest you are occupied with your self image. You come with your mom and daughter, so it may be related to aspects of your image which are "inherited" and continue from one generation to the next. This is just my suggestion, of course. Your daughter might have tried to get away from this transference, but you catch her. At the surgeon's office you see beautiful portraits of yourself in pink - it might suggest this ideal image you might crave and want to convey has to do with love. But than you are ignored. A question that comes to my mind is: Is this feeling of being ignored familiar to you? Maybe from the past? Or maybe you feel you are treated according to a certain image you project, while the real you secretly wants attention and acknowledgment?

What are your thoughts?

Edit: maybe your daughter was not trying to "get away" from transference, but you express a fear of her disappearing, and your need to be in control of the situation.

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posted July 10, 2019 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Still_Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you . My daughter is an apple of my eyes and most important person in my life. I have this constant fear of loosing her. I think it is somewhat similar to all mothers out there. Nothing to drastic though (she is just constantly on my mind)So when she runs I chase after her naturally/ It was unfamiliar office with unfamiliar people.
feelings of being ignore? Oh yes, when I was much younger and more naive I felt this way with my ex husband (started during my divorce, feeling of abandonment and even shame). What is interesting, that I KNOW I have nothing to be ashamed of and I still fell this way in my dream , hence feelings of anger at the Dr and/or myself for feeling that way (shame). But what interests me, is why beautiful (real beautiful) big photographs were on his wall These photos were not clinical (doctorish...) but rather artistic portraits of me. Front and side . on my front portrait, I looked kinda smug and funny, in my side portrait it was just beautiful . both portraits feature me in a field of flowers. Even though my portraits were on his wall. He seems not recognizing me at all.

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posted July 11, 2019 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It could be you want love in your life, but need to get over past negative feelings which you know are unnecessary, but are still there. Maybe you want to remove these feelings (surgeon), yet they are coming to the surface because of the approach of the surgeon, who is a male figure. The resurfacing of these feelings could be a part of a healing process, while the anger you feel could be needed to get through the glass and claim the love you deserve, which is reflected in your beautiful portraits in pink.

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posted July 12, 2019 03:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hello!!

If I could 'add' to this excellent conversation?

In a broader and more-general perspective, you left-out a phrase when you pasted this dream in a separate thread.

This dream was first mentioned here--
Why I stopped seeing/remembering dreams?
March 27, 2019
Still_Hopeful
- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum15/HTML/004223.html

From post of July 8, 2019 at 4:18pm LL-time
"Finally , I dream today. Dream was strange though.
I , with my mom and my daughter at the plastic surgeon office (lol),
for some reason I have to see him ... beats me , why... "

The THREE generations are represented--
your mom, you, and your daughter.

There are thoughts, attitudes, values, and 'traditions' get "passed down" from one generation to the next.

You sound like an excellent mother, as you place the care of your daughter over your own needs -- as a woman, as an 'available' woman (after divorce .. so sorry).

I know what that's like-- In the 1980s, I became a 'single-mom' of two very very young girls, while needing to hold down a full-time job. Exhausting. Your 'time' HAS to be devoted to them, as well as being ABLE to carve-out (cut) some TIME for your 'own' selfcare (very important!!).

Trying to date and have romantic connections, when you have a younger child, is difficult.

And 'one' of those difficulties is finding a partner who would accept a young child into his life (were you to become 'serious'). Some men view women with children as having 'baggage'. Some men who fall for women with children, can 'resent' her child being part of the relationship.
(This could be unconscious on his part; and, IF he doesn't have Love in his Heart for children, then this could surface and become used as an 'ugly issue' in the relationship later-on... adding more hurt upon you.)

So in a way, that 'surgeon' can represent that dilemma of wondering if a man will accept you being 'occupied' and his need to share his time with you (and vice versa).

You perhaps could be feeling as though your Beauty and youth had also been spent on a man that you had to divorce. He got the 'you' that was young, and fresh, and attractive, and unattached.

I wonder if that could a part of it?

PINK is "younger" … your "younger" looking years.

Now. To the reference that included your "mother", who may have role-modeled the values you now have and keep?

I could see PINK as being the "traditional" feminine role, expected to be played-out? Now that you're divorced, that "traditional" dream had to be 'adjusted', after injury? "Tweak" (surgery)? Healing is necessary. *Heart*

Your "image" on those walls, was excellent! *thumbsup*
Good self-esteem. (Wonderful!!)

Mothers hand down traditions to their daughters on 'how' to mother. What proper mothering looks like.

From the point of your separation in prep for your divorce, you entered another world with other women going through the hardships of raising their children un-attached (no father/mate around to rely on for emotional support, and hands-on help with the child). It's difficult when you-yourself have the need for recreation (to be able to wipe out of your mind the constant weights of duty and attention).

Also too.... how in your own childhood with your mother, life was sooo much simpler. Pink. You could Play without the weights of responsibility.

I hope your mom is helping you with your child, and giving you the mental-time-off you NEED from time to time, in order to self-care.

I know the difficulties of trying to date and have romantic affairs, when you have children. Your attentions/affections in a way are split.

"Time" DOES go by. Yes, you DO have other Priorities now.

If a man can't "deal" with it, then PLEASE find someone who completely 'accepts' and loves children, as well as your self. You cannot surgically alter her. She's your Life, and a "committed" relationship you have for at least 20 more Beautiful Years.

Children are Valuable.
She is "learning" from YOU,
just as you learned from your mom.

You come as a Complete and Total Package Deal --
haha, 'he' gets cut-out, before your relationship with your Daughter.

And.... Your Beauty is outside, yes of course.
The most IMPORTANT Beauty comes from within.
You have right-values and priorities.

I don't know what belief-system you practice, but the WORDS in this song, about a man who sees your HEART rather than shallow valuing of your 'flesh' is a treasure that I HOPE you'll find or attract.

True Love in your life.
Keep good Priorities, and attract someone with same.

Pay attention to the words of the lyrics.
Good advice for women, about their Heart, and having someone Value you based MOST on what's Beautiful INSIDE of you. Someone who 'see's your Heart, and loves and 'commits' to you for ALL that you are-- including that you have a younger child!

Keep good Values and Priorities

(music) Charm Is Deceitful (Kim Hill, lyrics, Prov 31 scriptures) [2:18] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZYV1t8zyws

btw-- word 'fears' is old-term for 'respect and honors' (not actually being afraid)

Wishing you the best!
Make SURE you're getting some good 'me' time, also.
Find a way to take a break when you need one.

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posted July 12, 2019 03:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
{{Ayelet! I want to apologize for not BETTER-incorporating the things that 'you' said to Still_Hopeful. I feel that I needed to work harder to find the way to express that. Sooo sorry. .. I'm in huge *sonics* and shakings here, from outside neighbors. Painful!! oh noooo.
Nevertheless-- I don't want to be missing-out at LL and not making contributions here (which I love doing, serving)-- so I HOPE you understand. I'm not trying to mow-over what excellent things you say. … Sending you much love, and appreciation. }}

Still_Hopeful .. I would have added further comments about your dream, based on your astrology chart, but I don't have a copy of it. I haven't seen you leave your chart anywhere.

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posted July 12, 2019 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Brilliant interpretation, mirage
I'm so sorry to hear about the sonics problem. I hope you get to leave to a better location, or they get to leave... To have your health and peace of mind is important. I do wish things get better.
And thank you for your contribution, it is priceless

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posted July 12, 2019 07:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Ayelet!
General Peace of Mind is always accessible inwardly--
it's the effects of body health erosion that concerns most.
And Yes, it would bide me more time if they moved.

(Glad you liked my reply. Thanks.)
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posted July 15, 2019 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Still_Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mirage29,Ayelet
WOW, simply WOW. Thank you so much! It does resonate with me very much. I already give up on my personal life sometime ago. I think the last draw was my last relationship. I was not "present" in a relationship as my ex boyfriend put. Well ... I agree but I have so much to do. I have to do everything by myself. I am engineer so I have demanding full time job (I work about 60h a week). After my work I am driving my little one to extra curricular activities : ballet, math and foreign language (my ex husband does not want to do it) well.. hell with him, but my daughter should not suffer because her dad is a lazy bum . Anyways, I do not like to complain but it is challenging at 9 pm I am just dead to the world and I have to work for about 2 h after 9. It is what it is I am very grateful though. my little one is a miracle child. I could not carry my previous pregnancies to a full term. I had multiple miscarriages. and all of a sudden at age 40 I got pregnant and now I have amazing little girl (she is 8). So I guess everything should be taken in retrospective. I GOT WHAT I WANTED, right? Now it is time to live up to my responsibilities and give her everything I can NO MATTER WHAT. In this aspect I am happy and fulfilled.
and I hate to say BUT, BUT I am also tired oh very tired. and I am depressed a little bit. Not in 10000 years I would imagine this life when I was 20 . SINGLE MOTHERHOOD is damn HARD. I am also depressed with my age. and I think my mother is depressed with her age as well. . she is 72. some years ago she told me so . "IT IS SO HARD to RECONCILE my age for me" IT IS so DIFFICULT to give up beauty and youth and most of all womanhood " I did not understood her then. But Now I do. You know what I mean? The big "CHANGE". How it is happened? I just started to live to my full potential as woman, as mother and that's IT? it is OVER? I am so sorry, if I am too whiny or too open. But Damn I am a woman and I am allowed to be emotional sometimes I will try to post my chart in a next post. I want to say THANK you for taking your time and analyzing my dream. It is scary how close the interpretation is

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posted July 15, 2019 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Still_Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Natal

This is synastry with my little one


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posted July 15, 2019 01:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Still_Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Randall it looks like my chart is not showing. What should I do to show my charts? TIA

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posted July 15, 2019 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks for your reply, Still_Hopeful!
Thank you for your charts. Can't look at them now, but I'll have them on hand.

You are Fierce!

Chart-posting advice here--
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- http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum23/HTML/000016-2.html

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posted July 15, 2019 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Still_Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do you see her Chiron EXACTLY conjunct my Deja? Amazing, ah? She healed me
I am Scorpio Asc and She is scorpio sun. I am Aqua sun and venus and She has sun in 11 house!
Her dad is Sagittarius and she is Sag asc

So many '0' (zeros) in our aspects, for better or for worse we are definitely connected on a deep level

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posted July 15, 2019 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ayelet     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Still_Hopeful, I admire your courage and strengh. Thank you for replying and sharing. Let's see what mirage discovers in your chart.
As for aging, I can see more than one approach to this issue. These different approaches do not have to contradict. I read "Star Signs", which informed me of the possibility of age reversal. Than there is the buddhist approach of change is the only constant in the material world. I understand both you and your mother, youth shouldn't be so short. I also don't believe this is natural. If Linda Goodman's ideas in that regard are of any interest to you, I suggest you read her book. If you don't believe age can be reversed, than you can find beauty in old age as well as in youth.
And in that case, I may tell you: enjoy the ride, and your life with your precious daughter and your mom.
And, you may find yet another significant other... In any age at all.

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posted July 15, 2019 10:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mirage29     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
btw.. Her chart is also your medical transits for the day and time you brought her into this world.

Look at those beautiful shared aspects-- Sun Neptunes connections, your Venuses, her Jupiter and Moon on your IC, your 5th House Moon conjunct her IC.

Beautiful really-deep child, with her Scorp Sun trine Moon and Jupiter-Uranus late Pisces. Good sense of humor (Merc-Mars and Asc Sag)?-- her words-- She could wind up with speaking abilities, for a cause she'd be interested in. Might be good at debates (when she gets to that grade in school). She's still young! *smile*

She may have healing and perception abilities, good intuition.

You know.. going back to your dream?
Through the divorce, your daughter may have inadvertently absorbed some of the atmospheric issues dealing with the 'disappointment in love' that you've had.

You might want to do some age-appropriate child-development research into how to support her learning to identify and express her deep inner emotions? (But, you're probably on-top of all that, already!! *smile*)

I am VERY glad you shared your feelings.
You are not whining... You are open, and have had a lot on your plate.

As far as dealing with your own sense of aging? Yeah... That happens!!
(I'm 64.) Face changes can happen from time to time-- I remember an Oprah program where she had women in their 50s come and share what changes happened to their looks. Some women's face shape changes a lot. Get's rounder. Was interesting to see. Doesn't happen to everyone.

It has to sink in sometimes. You're 'growing older' with your looks. If you're getting any wrinkles?.. I like what an Oriental royal person said once-- told an artist painting her portrait to PUT the wrinkles in her face there-- To her, it was a sign of wisdom.

You take quantum leaps in your soul, as you age. It 'feels good' to feel the fullness of life. It's a kind of calmer and palpable feeling.

You are now in the midst of transit called your Chiron-Return. You had your first pass of it months ago. Chiron will go retrograde, and come nearer to your own Chiron again, then go forward once more.
(I haven't checked the ephemeris for your degree and dates.)

This Chiron in Aries, is highlighting the issues pertaining to your 4th House = the roots of your identity, family, traditions. The 4th house is a 'psychological' house.
(Also, real estate, and work environments.)

You'll emerge from this with a Gift of having sorted/healed facets of your Identity, clarifying traditional views your mother passed down to you-- you can keep it, or gently change or affirm-inwardly what is not really consistent with you?

Take good care of your health during this time too. Selfcare. Image-wise, psychologically.. breathe-in and accept the changes happening to your body, your face. You are Perfect as you are.

haha. What you are 'seeing now' as being older?, will one day be your 'younger look'. Time rolls on. Appreciate who you are. You're 'just right'! *smile*

(Sounds like you try to burn that proverbial candle at both ends?.. Not good to do that for too long of a time. Too much pressure, can catch up on you!) See if another idea can come to you, on how to help organize your efforts.. simplify? (haha.. *grin*)

Yes... I can appreciate the shock you must have felt. And you're handling it.

What a Beautiful friendship?! " "

It goes faster than you think-- she'll be older. Enjoy her {{{hugs-for-both}}}.

(music) If I Could (Barbra Streisand, lyrics) [4:22] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMlnn2COHRo

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posted July 16, 2019 12:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Still_Hopeful     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you, from the bottom of my heart

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