posted November 19, 2003 10:56 AM            

Precisely what is better. You should be able to come up with something unless of course your hatred of the President is ideological.

I have problems taking people seriously who take their news or political positions from comedians or comic books.

posted November 19, 2003 12:29 PM            

The economy is important,I don't see a taxcut meaning taking taxes out of one's paycheck and switching over to gas,food and stomping out the welfare of our senior citizens.

posted November 19, 2003 12:46 PM            

For your information, no one sends the President here, there or anywhere.

There was a massive demonstration scheduled in Britain today in response to the President's visit and speech. An estimated 200 demonstrators showed up. A really big deal.

posted November 19, 2003 01:13 PM            

One things for certain though,today he's over there lying to them,instead of being over here lying to us. Maybe the Brits realize that they're word don't mean anything to the man and that he just might end up over-speaking they're pleas anyway. The amount of protesters there means only two things to me,the ones that are protesting are kept at bay by the police and the ones that don't protest just know that it only like beating a dead horse to go nowhere,it's not going anywhere!

Why does this man insist that anything in the minds of those would ever change,when all those he's to appease only hate and despise us even more?

I DO realize that noone tells him where to go,I like to tell him where to go...

posted November 19, 2003 02:18 PM            

Name one lie the President told relating to Iraq or the war on terrorism. Let's define lie ozone: an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker to be untrue with intent to deceive

I accept as fact that you can't name anything that's different with the President out of the country so what's your next fall back position?

I accept as the ultimate in common sense the notion terrorists should be fought on the streets of the nations who harbor, train, finance and send them out to murder innocent civilians instead of fighting them on the streets of America or in the streets of our allies. Perhaps if they blew up Philadelphia or Pittsburgh you might see the utility of the President's thinking too.

By the way, you were equally outraged when the dead bodies of American military personnel were dragged through the streets of Mogadishu as a result of Clinton's denial of the military equipment the commanders on the ground in Somalia requested to complete their mission----weren't you? Let me refresh your memory. Les Aspin, then Secretary of Defense committed suicide over that incident.

You were equally outraged that Clinton didn't attend a single funeral of the military personnel lost in Mogadishu-----weren't you? Can you name one funeral of one American military service man or woman lost on the battlefield that Clinton attended? Or is your outrage selective and ideological like most of the so called anti-war protesters?

posted November 19, 2003 03:31 PM            

Second of all,Somalia’s opperation wasn't a war that was presentented under the whims of Clinton, but a mutual agreement made by the United Nations themselves.

THIRD OF ALL,Mogadishu was a city that was already rightful perchased by one of our allies: Italy,and was being ripped out of they're grasp by petty thuds,solders of fortune and nearby,rival clans. After it was proven to be one of the centerports of food and supplies to the free world and otherwise.

Needless to say,I do agree with the fact that we as a free nation,an ally,a free people,a friend,a caregiver,a distant relative and an international bodyguard,would be apart of a mission that would rid the world of fear,pain and death,but so far Bush only proven to me and the rest of world that this has been(so far) nothing more then a three ring circus and the quest for peace has become even more dimmer as the days,weeks,months go by.

posted November 19, 2003 05:34 PM            

Les Aspin resigned under pressure for the Mogadishu fiasco and then "died" under circumstances suspected, reported on and suspected to be a suicide at the time in 1995. Aspin was 56 years old. By the way, Vince Foster committed "suicide", then came back to life magically and wrote a suicide note after the fact that was found in his briefcase.

I can understand the Clinton Administration's desire to report Aspin's death as a stroke given the unusual and unprecedented number of "suicides" and unexplained deaths surrounding Bill Clinton's associates going all the way back to Arkansas and the wishes of Aspin's family to not have a suicide associated with his public memory.

The rest of what you've said about Somalia seems, to put it mildly, a fairy tale. This is the official line on the Clinton Administration and Les Aspin's handling of Somalia.

MOGADISHU:
"As coalition military forces approached Baghdad, many commentators raised the specter of Somalia, of the “Black Hawk down” episode in Mogadishu, in which U.S. Rangers were ambushed and killed because they couldn’t be supported or evacuated expeditiously. It has also been reported by various sources that the Hollywood movie version of “Black Hawk Down” was widely watched by Saddam’s senior thugs, to learn how to defeat the Americans. Some of the analysts commenting on the Baghdad operation hastened to assure everyone that the situation now is different than it was then, but few detailed why, other than to suggest that our forces are much better trained for urban combat than they were then. One commentator only obliquely referred to the apparently unmentionable – observing that U.S. forces in Mogadishu didn’t have enough of the equipment that they repeatedly asked for. And that highlights the fundamental difference between then and now: Today, Bill Clinton is NOT the Commander in Chief, and Les Aspin is NOT the Secretary of Defense."

"Here are some accounts of Mogadishu – a fiasco that must be laid directly at the doorstep of the political, not the military, leadership. The retreat took place under the auspices of a President who had no understanding of the military, who exemplified that faction of the public that loathes the military. The retreat apparently emboldened not only Osama bin Laden, but Saddam Hussein as well, and encouraged both (and who knows how many other enemies of America around the world) to believe that Bill Clinton’s phony bluff and bluster was actually representative of America:"

"From the Wall Street Journal (December 6, 1993): “In late September, Aidid's forces began specifically probing U.S. defenses, getting in almost daily firefights that went largely unreported in the U.S. Then on Oct. 3, the Rangers got pinned down by Aidid's forces and, lacking armor and AC-130 gunship support denied to them in a policy decision by Defense Secretary Aspin, retreated with 12 dead and 78 wounded.”

"From CNN News (February 1, 2002): “Bin Laden cited the Soviet debacle in Afghanistan and the United States' failed 1993 mission in Somalia as examples to suggest a U.S. defeat in Afghanistan was within reach. … ‘Our brothers with Somali mujahedeen and God's power fought the Americans. God granted them victory. America exited dragging its tails in failure, defeat, and ruin,’ bin Laden said.”

" From the Wall Street Journal (August 6, 2002): “President Bush the Elder sent U.S. forces into Somalia in December 1992 to aid the United Nations in relieving a massive famine. In May of 1993, four months into his term, President Clinton DECLARED that mission accomplished and pulled out most of the U.S. force. In a speech on the South Lawn to associate himself with the effort, he extolled the decision to intervene. … But back in Somalia, with no U.S. deterrent, Somalia's warlords began fighting again. After a series of bloody attacks on U.N. peacekeepers, Mr. Clinton LAUNCHED A NEW MISSION: In August 1993, he sent in a force of Rangers and Special Forces units to capture the brutal warlord Mohammad Farrah Aidid and restore order. That force asked for heavy armor – in the form of Abrams tanks and Bradley armored vehicles – as well as the AC-130 gunship, but the Clinton Administration denied those requests. … Secretary of Defense Les Aspin resigned two months after Somalia, having acknowledged that his decision on the armor had been an error. A 1994 Senate Armed Services Committee investigation reached the same conclusion.’”

I don't know of anyone who would agree with you that Mogadishu was purchased or owned by Italy.

Let me remind you ozone, it was Woodrow Wilson, a Democrat who got the US involved in W.W.I, Franklin Roosevelt, a Democrat, who got the US involved in W.W.II, Harry Truman, a Democrat, who got the US involved in the Korean War and Lyndon Johnson, a Democrat, who got the US involved in the Vietnam War. Question ozone, who is pulling the wool over whose eyes?

Lastly ozone, you seem to be prone to making allegations about the President that you cannot or will not back up with facts when challenged to do so. I challenge you to post the lies you allege the President told about Iraq and/or the war on terrorism. Until you do so or withdraw the allegation, I'm not moving on with you to other allegations you so freely throw out.

jwhop

posted November 19, 2003 07:13 PM            

All but Korea and Veitnam,I don't see where any of the other wars of the 20th century was detrimental to the Americans or the rest of the world that just so happened to have a Demorcrat in office at the time of America's involvement in them.

I tell you what Jwhop,I won't tell you the details of his lies,I'll just name the lies he has made,because I'm not gonna spend forever writing a biography of the man and his pseudo-conquests coming with a side order of his pseudo-responsibilities and with a nice,cold,tall,biggie-sized pseudo-emotion over the affairs that he's got and HAS been getting us involved in:

posted November 19, 2003 08:19 PM            

I notice you haven't specifically articulated even one lie you allege the President told yet and this is the 3rd time I've asked. I assume at some point you're going to take a run at it, get specific and knock off the broad general statements.

This is infertile ground you're trying to plow ozone. The 9 dwarves vying for the Democrat nomination already tried that tactic and got their heads handed to them on nationwide television news shows but be my guest.

posted November 19, 2003 08:44 PM            

1. The central rationale behind the invasion of Iraq was the certain threat posed by its weapons of mass destruction, including the imminent development of a nuclear capability.

In the aftermath of the war, we are left with the argument that while we have found no significant evidence of chemical, biological or nuclear weaponry, Saddam Hussein was a despot who mistreated his own people and the war was therefore justified. Contrary to the administration's prewar claims, the CIA, FBI and British intelligence have found no link between al-Qaida and Iraq.

2.On the home front, President Bush proclaimed that a report by leading economists concluded that the economy would grow by 3.3 percent in 2003 if his tax cut proposals were adopted. No such report exists.

3.To explain why he has turned a $236 billion budget surplus into a projected $307 billion deficit in 2004, the president claimed that he had said during the campaign that he would allow the federal budget to go into deficit in times of war, recession or national emergency but never imagined he would have a "trifecta." Actually, Mr. Bush never made such a campaign statement. These three caveats on deficits were promulgated by Al Gore.

posted November 19, 2003 09:01 PM            

5.On April 26, President Bush said in his weekly radio address, "My jobs and growth plan would reduce tax rates for everyone who pays income tax."

That turned out not to be true. According to the nonprofit Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, an unspecified number of low- and middle-income families received no tax cut at all because they'd been excluded from an expansion of the child-care tax credit.

6.“This is a hospital, but it's also - it's a place full of love. And I was most touched by meeting the parents and the kids and the nurses and the docs, all of whom are working hard to save lives. I want to thank the moms who are here. Thank you very much for you hospitality…There's a lot of talk about budgets right now, and I'm here to talk about the budget. My job as the President is to submit a budget to the Congress and to set priorities, and one of the priorities that we've talked about is making sure the health care systems are funded.” – Egleston Children's Hospital, Atlanta, Georgia 3/1/01

Bush’s first budget proposed cutting grants to children’s hospitals like the one he visited by 15% ($34 million). His 2004 budget additionally proposes to cut 30% ($86 million) out of grants to children’s hospitals.

7.“We're dealing with first-time responders to make sure they've got what's needed to be able to respond. “ – Bush, 3/27/2002

Bush had been saying that he was proposing $3.5 billion in “new” money for first responders. However, his budget tried to cut more than $1 billion out of existing grants to local police/fire departments to fund this. Then, in August of 2002, Bush rejected $150 million for grants to state and local first responders. Bush’s decision prompted the President of the Firefighters Union to say, “President Bush, don't lionize our fallen brothers in one breath, and then stab us in the back by eliminating funding for our members to fight terrorism and stay safe.” The President of the Virginia firefighters association said, “The president has merely been using firefighters and their families for one big photo opportunity.”

posted November 19, 2003 09:11 PM            

According to the AP, Bush’s 2004 budget proposes to eliminate funding for the bioenergy program that funds the Dakota Ethanol Plant he visited. [4/22/02]

9.Under the headline “Bush lauds Albuquerque woman for volunteerism” the AP reported on Bush’s visit to New Mexico to tout Lucy Salazar, a volunteer with the Even Start literacy program. “One of the things I try to do when I go into communities is herald soldiers in the armies of compassion, those souls who have heard the call to love a neighbor like you'd like to be loved yourself, and have followed through on that call; Lucy Salazar is a retired federal government worker. She teaches reading skills to pre-kindergarten and kindergarten children -- incredibly important…And oftentimes, citizens such as her never get the praise they deserve. Lucy, thank you for coming and representing thousands of people like you.” - Bush, 4/29/02

According to the Associated Press, Bush proposed “to slash funding 20 percent for the Even Start program, which offers tutoring to preschoolers and literacy and job training for their parents” – the very program he was touting in New Mexico [2/4/02].

10."Part of being a secure America is to encourage homeownership." He also went on to talk about his experience meeting the residents saying, "You know, today I went to the -- to some of the home -- met some of the homeowners in this newly built homes and all you've got to do is shake their hand and listen to their stories and watch the pride that they exhibit when they show you the kitchen and the stairs...They showed me their home. They didn't show me somebody else's home, they showed me their home. And they are so proud to own their home and I want to thank them for their hospitality, because it helps the American people really understand what it means."

– Bush, 6/17/02

According to AP, “President Bush's proposed 2004 budget for the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, announced Monday, phases out HOPE VI” the program Bush visited and touted in Atlanta. “Renee Glover, executive director of the Atlanta Housing Authority said. ‘We didn't anticipate that HOPE VI would be eliminated.’” [AP, 2/5/2003]

11.“We're working hard to make sure your job is easier, that the port is safer. The Customs Service is working with overseas ports and shippers to improve its knowledge of container shipments, assessing risk so that we have a better feel of who we ought to look at, what we ought to worry about.” – Bush, 6/24/02]

The President’s 2003 and 2004 budget provides zero for port security grants. The GOP Congress has provided only $250 million for port security grants (35% less than authorized). Additionally, in August, the President vetoed all $39 million for the Container Security Initiative which he specifically touted.

12.“We've got to do more to protect worker pensions.” – Bush, 8/7/02

Just four months after touting pension security, Bush’s Treasury Department announced plans to propose new rules that “would allow employers to resume converting traditional pension plans to new ‘cash balance’ plans that can lower benefits to long-serving workers. Such conversions are highly controversial. Critics contend that they discriminate against older workers in violation of federal law” [Washington Post, 12/10/02]

posted November 19, 2003 09:19 PM            

Bush’s 2003 Budget proposed a 9% ($476 million) cut to job training programs and a 2% ($8 million) cut to the Occupational Safety and Health Administration. Similarly, his 2004 budget proposes a $60 million cut to adult job training programs and a total elimination of the Youth Opportunities Grants, which provide job training to younger workers.

14.“A secure and efficient border is key to our economic security.” – Bush, 9/9/02

While Bush did hold a photo-op to sign legislation promising more INS/Border Patrol staff and facilities, his budget provided no additional money for this. Additionally, in August, Bush vetoed $6.25M for promised pay upgrades for Border Patrol agents. Additionally, he vetoed all $39 million for the Container Security Initiative. His 2004 Budget slashes total total “Border and Transportation Security” by $284 million.

15.“One of the ways we've got to make sure that we keep our economy strong is to be wise about how we spend our money. If you overspend, it creates a fundamental weakness in the foundation of economic growth. And so I'm working with Congress to make sure they hear the message -- the message of fiscal responsibility.” Bush, 9/16/02

Less than 6 months after this pronouncement, Bush proposed a budget that would put the government more than $300 billion into deficit. As National Journal noted on 2/12/02, Bush’s own 2004 budget tables show that without Bush’s tax and budgetary proposals, the deficit would decline after 2006, but with Bush’s proposals the deficit would grow indefinitely.

16.“I want to thank the good folks here at Rochester Community and Technical College for your hospitality…The most important issue -- the most important issue for any governor in any state is to make sure every single child in your state receives a quality education.” – Bush, [10/18/02]

Bush’s 2004 budget proposes to cut vocational and technical education grants by 24% ($307 million). His budget also proposes to freeze funding for pell grants for low income students.

17.“These men and women are still the best of America. They are prepared for every mission we give them, and they are worthy of the standards set for them by America's veterans. Our veterans from every era are the finest of citizens. We owe them the life we know today. They command the respect of the American people, and they have our everlasting gratitude.” – Bush, 11/11/02

According to a letter sent to the President by the major veterans groups, Bush’s 2003 budget “falls $1.5 billion short” of adequately funding veterans care. [Independent Budget, 1/7/02].

posted November 19, 2003 09:24 PM            

- Bush, 12/19/02

The 2003 and 2004 Bush budgets proposes to freeze the Congregate Nutrition Program, which assists local soup kitchens and meals on wheels programs. With inflation, this proposal would mean at least 36,000 seniors would be cut from meals on wheels and congregate meals programs. Currently, 139,000 seniors are already on waiting lists for home-meal programs. His 2004 budget continues the freeze.

19.“This administration is committed to your effort. And with the support of Congress, we will continue to work to provide the resources school need to fund the era of reform.” – Bush, 1/8/03

The President’s 2003 budget – the first education budget after he signed and touted the No Child Left Behind Act (NCLB) - proposed to cut NCLB programs by $90 million overall, leaving these programs more than $7 billion short of what was authorized under the bill. Bush’s 2004 budget for NCLB is just 1.9% above what he proposed in 2003 - $619 less than needed to offset inflation.

20.“Having been here and seeing the care that these troops get is comforting for me and Laura. We are -- should and must provide the best care for anybody who is willing to put their life in harm's way.” – Bush, 1/17/03

Bush's visit came on the same day that the Administration announced it is immediately cutting off access to its health care system approximately 164,000 veterans [W. Post, 1/17/03].

21.“Within that budget I proposed last night is a substantial increase in Medicare funding of $400 billion on top of what we already spend, over the next 10 years. This is a commitment that America must make to our seniors. A reformed and strengthened Medicare system, plus a healthy dosage of Medicare spending in the budget, will make us say firmly, we fulfilled our promise to the seniors of America.” – Bush, 1/29/03

Under Bush’s proposal, there should be a roughly $40 billion increase in Medicare each year for a decade. However, Bush’s 2004 budget proposes just $6 billion – 85% less than what would be needed to meet his goal. Additionally, his budget would leave 67% of the total $400 billion pledge to be spent after 2008. [Bush Budget, pg. 318]

posted November 19, 2003 09:39 PM            

In his 2002 budget, Bush proposed eliminating all federal funding for the Boys and Girls Club of America. IN his 2003 budget, he proposed cutting the program by 15% (from $70 million down to $60 million).

23.In his October 28, 2003 press conference, when asked whether the “Mission Accomplished” signed displayed behind him during his May 1st appearance on the UUS Abraham Lincoln was premature in light of the continued casualties in Iraq, President Bush stated that “the `Mission Accomplished' sign, of course, was put up by the members of the USS Abraham Lincoln saying that their mission was accomplished. I know it was attributed somehow to some ingenious advance man from staff. They weren't that ingenious, by the way.”

The banner was made by the White House and White House Communications Director Dan Bartlett was responsible for its placement.

The President’s eagerness to lie about such a trivial point belies the point that this President has no hesitation about lying about anything.

24.When asked during his October 28, 2003 press conference about the recent donor’s conference which produced only $13 billion in pledges - $23 billion short of expectations, Bush claimed “Iraqi oil revenues...coupled with private investments should make up the difference.”

Paul Bremer, the head of the U.S. occupation authority in Iraq, has said that in the near-term oil industry revenues will cover only the industry's own costs. The administration has conceded that Iraqi oil revenues will be zero in 2003 and only $12.1 billion in 2004. (40)

25.On October 2, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld claimed that the President’s requested for $87 billion for post-war Iraq was “vital to our success in the global war on terror and to our ability to finish the job in Iraq.”

The Bush administration repeatedly claimed that Iraqi oil would finance post-war reconstruction. Deputy Defense Secretary Wolfowitz claimed the US would quickly tap oil revenues of $50-100 billion. “We are dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction and relatively soon.”

In a September 2003 appearance on the Meet the Press, VP Cheney stressed that Iraq could pay for its own reconstruction since it “sits on top of ten percent of the world’s oil reserves . . . The fact is, there are significant resources to work with.”

On the day Baghdad fell, Cheney predicted that Iraq’s production could reach 3 millions barrels a day by the end of the year and generate as much as $20 billion a year.

Before the war, the Bush administration repeatedly claimed that the US troops would be welcomed as liberators.

NSC Advisor Rice and Secretary Rumsfeld have sought to compare the attacks on US occupation forces to post-war Germany, citing attacks of Nazi “werewolves” on Allied Soldiers.

In August the Bush administration claimed that they had sufficient troops for “post-war” Iraq operations.

posted November 19, 2003 09:49 PM            

In truth, Iraq will require billions in investment just to return to prewar production levels of 2.4 millions barrels per day and even then will bring in only a fraction of the money budgeting for rebuilding Iraq.

More importantly, the administration was aware of this fact since in preparing for the war, the Pentagon commissioned a task force which prepared a book-length report that “described the Iraqi oil industry as so badly damaged by a decade of trade embargoes that its production capacity had fallen by more than 25 percent” and was generating less than 2.4 million barrels a day before the war.

The task force found that annual revenues would reach $25-30 billion only under the “very best case scenario”. A more likely scenario was $10 to $12 billion annually.

(A 2000 report also detailed that Iraq’s oil-production facilities were in disrepair.)

The administration now concedes that Iraqi oil revenues will be zero in 2003 and only $12.1 billion in 2004.

Pre-war intelligence analysis warned of significant armed opposition to a US occupation.

There were no such attacks on US forces in Germany. In fact that total number of post-war casualties in Germany, Japan, Haiti, Bosnia and Kosovo was zero.

Six weeks later the administration extended the tour of duty of current reservists in Iraq and announced plans to activate additional reservists for Iraq duty.

ANY MORE?------------------->

posted November 19, 2003 10:00 PM            

No WMDs have been found in the area described.

Rumsfeld later said he “overstate[d] for emphasis” and should have stated, “’I believe they’re in that area.’”

Bush told Polish TV in May 2003 that “we found the weapons of mass destruction.”

A five month search by a team of 1,400 US investigators failed to find any evidence of WMDs.

David Kay’s interim report found no evidence that Iraq had taken significant steps to build nuclear weapons after 1991, aluminum tubes had been used to enrich uranium, mobile labs designed to produce biowarfare agents, smallpox, anthrax or VX, no poison gases or germ weapons.

Similarly, on May 30, the top Marine commander in Iraq told reporters that “we’ve been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad, but they simply are not there.

The Bush administration has attempted to spin the Kay report’s finding of a single vial of Botolinum B to claim that Iraq had an active illegal weapons program.

The administration also cites Kay findings of Iraqi research on Brucella, Congo Crimean Hemorrhagic Fever (CCHF), Ricin and aflaxotin.

The single two-inch vial was ten years old and found in the kitchen refrigerator of an Iraqi scientist. In addition, Botolinum B has never been used for chemical weapons, as both the US and USSR abandoned unsuccessful attempts to do so.

Brucella and CCHF are endemic in Iraq creating legitimate public health reasons for the research. Ricin and aflaxotin are ill-suited for bioweapons; in fact Iraq abandoned its ricin program in 1990 after it failed to kill test animals.

In September 2003, Cheney described Iraq as “the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault for many years, but most especially on 9/11.”

There is no evidence linking Iraq to the 9-11 attacks. President Bush confirmed this fact a few days after Cheney’s statement.

On Meet the Press on December 9, 2001, Cheney claimed “it’s been pretty well confirmed that [9-11 hijacker Mohamed Atta] did go to Prague and he did meet with a senior official of the Iraqi intelligence service . . . several months before the attack.”

He repeated this charge again on March 24, 2002 and September 8, 2002.

In September 2003, he raised the claim again, stating “we’ve had the story . . . that Mohamed Atta, the lead attacker, met in Prague with a senior Iraqi official before the attack, but we’ve never been able to develop any more of that yet, either in terms of confirming it or discrediting it.”

US and Czech officials confirm that there is no evidence of such a meeting. In fact, the evidence places Atta in the US on that day. This evidence was known by late 2001 and certainly before March 24, 2002.

posted November 19, 2003 10:02 PM            

I'll tell you one thing,if you think I wasn't gonna write a book so far,guess what...

posted November 20, 2003 09:59 AM            

Copying and pasting what someone said the President said is not what I had in mind. That isn't proof of anything.

It's easy for a kook webmaster to cobble together multiple allegations against anyone by writing their own stories to prove their point.

"The President promised he wouldn't raise taxes on the American People to fund his social engineering schemes and now, just days into his administration, he's given the American People the biggest tax increase in the history of the world" fumed the keynote speaker at the New York convention for Ethical Government. "To make matters worse, President Clinton has made the tax increases retroactive in blatant violation of the United States Constitution" said Bingston, bringing the large crowd to their feet with shouts of "impeachment, now".

At the October press briefing, a Symax reporter asked the President if he is now ready to deny the allegation of rape lodged by Juanita Broaddrick over an incident she said was a brutal sexual assault and rape occurring when the President was Attorney General of Arkansas. "I have no comment on that and direct all questions regarding this matter to my attorney" said President Clinton. The President then exploded in anger when another reporter followed up with a question asking if the President has learned his lesson about lying to the American People over the Monica Lewinsky affair in the Oval Office. "I did not have sex with that women, MS Lewinsky" shouted President Clinton. "It all depends on the definition of "is" he explained to the shocked press corp.

Now ozone, I'm going to contrast what you copied and pasted to this forum with a credible source, a source full of the attribution your allegations lack.

Profile: George Bush, Fearless Leader
U.S. News and World Report
this month has a profile of President Bush titled Bush's Way," in which the magazine describes Bush as a leader who is "audacious," who is "governing in bold strokes of primary colors" and who is putting all his presidential chips on the struggle against "evildoers.

Historian Doug Brinkley told U.S. News "Bush is part of a small class of presidents whom we think of as commander in chief" - like Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Lyndon Johnson and Richard Nixon, though some of those were unpopular at the end of their presidencies.

But, the magazine writes, no matter what anyone thinks of Bush, good or bad, Bush has been a "'crisis president,' forced to deal with a series of traumatic events and to make decisions more difficult than those faced by his recent predecessors. "Forged in the crucible of a recession he inherited, terrorist strikes the likes of which had never before been seen in the U.S., and two wars in response to those events/threats against America, the magazine says "Bush has gone much further than nearly anyone expected."Bush took control after 9/11 and "united the nation, and sounded all the right notes. ... His natural instinct is to find a mission and drive inexorably to accomplish it.

"The president has a vision for America, as presidential scholar Fred Greenstein
said: "George W. Bush does have the vision thing, not because he is an aficionado of policy but because he holds that if a leader does not set his own goals, others will set them for him.

National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice told U.S. News "He thinks about American influence and power being used for great causes, not just for marginal change." The first lady agrees "The very characteristics he has as a person, which is a lot of discipline, a focus, and a toughness ... those were the characteristics that our country especially needed after September 11. ... I see that he still has that focus. He still has that discipline."

And Bush is not sitting idly by while the rest of the world thinks he's occupied in the Middle East. US News reports that Bush knows how many millions of people have fallen under the sway of Castro copycats like Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, and Bush will soon begin "agenda setting" where Cuba is concerned. Echoing Ronald Reagan's policies toward communist Russia, Bush will be calling attention to the fact that Cuba is a "repressive dictatorship." A presidential adviser told U.S. News
that Bush will speak "clearly in a way that lets oppressed people know that they're not alone.

"Domestically, the president has seemingly turned things around from 2000-2001. Economic indicators are up and people are starting to feel good about things again. "The president's strength is that people trust him, and he knows where he's going," says Ron Kaufman, a Bush family friend "Americans love to be led by strong leaders." And they have a president who sets a blue-collar work ethic as an example. Bush watches what he eats and hardly eats any junk food. He gets up at 5:30 every morning, gets into the Oval Office before 7, meets with his advisers, reads intelligence reports and meets with CIA boss George Tenet, Tom Ridge and others at around 8 a.m. He doesn't leave the Oval Office until 6 or 7 at night.

His hard work and vision leave him with no trepidation about his future as a president. His friends say that he tells them if the American people don't like what he is doing, they can vote for someone else. "George W. Bush believes the presidency is an opportunity and an honor, not a burden."

This is the kind of attribution anyone would expect to see when someone makes an accusation against the President. It's the Who, What, When and Where of good journalism with the quotes in quotation marks and the source of the material spelled out clearly. Sadly, it's also the kind of attribution lacking in the rants from the kookmeister webmasters with an ax to grind against the President.

So ozone, would you care to share the source and web address of the material you copied and pasted to the forum?

posted November 20, 2003 10:04 AM            

Iraq won't be apart of us,but the Bush family will be apart of Iraq. Al Quada will be alive and well still and we as Americans and Brits will be left with the lumber,in the end. This man has been president for almost three years and has done nothing,but for his family,his friends and himself. To him,this is all nothing more then a game and I feel sorry for the ones that support him,because they will find themselves(in the end)worse off,used and forgotten.

posted November 20, 2003 10:22 AM            

Should your response be taken to mean you can't back up your allegations with credible sources and don't want to share the web address(s) of the source(s) you copied and pasted from?

posted November 20, 2003 10:36 AM            

Man,I can't believe your standing on this!

Now if you give me one minute(Mr.Speedclicker),I'll post my "backed up allegations"!

posted November 20, 2003 01:02 PM            

You thought I copied and pasted these "articles"?

"The President promised he wouldn't raise taxes on the American People to fund his social engineering schemes and now, just days into his administration, he's given the American People the biggest tax increase in the history of the world" fumed the keynote speaker at the New York convention for Ethical Government. "To make matters worse, President Clinton has made the tax increases retroactive in blatant violation of the United States Constitution" said Bingston, bringing the large crowd to their feet with shouts of "impeachment, now".

At the October press briefing, a Symax reporter asked the President if he is now ready to deny the allegation of rape lodged by Juanita Broaddrick over an incident she said was a brutal sexual assault and rape occurring when the President was Attorney General of Arkansas. "I have no comment on that and direct all questions regarding this matter to my attorney" said President Clinton. The President then exploded in anger when another reporter followed up with a question asking if the President has learned his lesson about lying to the American People over the Monica Lewinsky affair in the Oval Office. "I did not have sex with that women, MS Lewinsky" shouted President Clinton. "It all depends on the definition of "is" he explained to the shocked press corp.

I wouldn't click, copy or paste those ozone. I own the intellectual rights to these "articles". I made them up to show you how easy it is to put out false information and I did it in about 5 minutes.

Even so, ozone, my "articles" are more truthful about Bill Clinton than yours are about President Bush because the main events depicted in the "articles" actually happened.

Bill Clinton did campaign on the promise he wouldn't raise taxes to fund his welfare schemes and he did put the largest tax increase into effect almost immediately upon being sworn into office. That tax increase was retroactive and the Constitution does forbid any ex post facto laws. In other words, Clinton's retroactive tax increase was unconstitutional.

Clinton was accused by Juanita Broaddrick of raping her when he was Attorney General of Arkansas and he never denied it. He did refer all questions regarding the rape allegation to his attorney. He did say "I never had sex with that woman, MS Lewinsky.

Now ozone, I've shared the source of my "articles" with you. Are you sure you don't want to tell me where you copied and pasted yours from?