posted December 21, 2003 12:25 PM            

Anyone with views on why the little madman from North Korea is now desperately attempting to make a deal that would include the shutdown of his nuclear weapons production, research and delivery systems and open North Korea to unfettered inspections please speak up as well.

Or do you believe that Gadhafi and Kim Jong Il are sniffing different brands of coffee these days?

posted December 21, 2003 01:46 PM            

juniperb,
"The answer, my friend, is blowin' in the wind,
The answer is blowin' in the wind"

If that answer be the smell of coffee then hoist a few cups for me.

jwhop

posted December 21, 2003 02:10 PM            

But WE have to be mindful over all this,because if we're not careful,this country can become the new dictatorship!

posted December 21, 2003 03:09 PM            

juniperb

posted December 21, 2003 05:34 PM            

The grandeur ideal of peace,is nothing more than a mear,state of mind. If one can witness peace in they're country,because of the "non-aggression" there-in forth,but yet be under the dark shadow of oppression,then the whole notion of "peace" is irrelavant. By having laws that erase our constitutional rites,like for instance:No more then 8 individuals can walk on the same side of the street,in the same direction or people must have a chip placed inside of them so they're whereabouts will always monitored or that one has to obtain a permit in order to move out of they're home and into another is nowhere near my idea of peace. But when you have a leader that looks at another country that does the same thing and states that this is wrong,I think it is kinda hypercritical,don't you think? Especially when two of the laws I've mentioned are BEING practiced in this country,now as we speak!

Being peaceful and/or obtaining and maintaining peace is two different things.

posted December 21, 2003 07:19 PM            

Now ozone, if you know of any other citizen of the US, who is not under arrest or jurisdiction of a court who are required against their will to take an implant or any citizen who must get a release from the government to move out of their residence or seek a new place to live, then I'd like the full details.

And by the way ozone, they are not required to take an implant or get permission to move. They could just go to jail and serve their time there or remain in prison and not seek probation. So, it's their choice and not a compulsory requirement. It's an either or situation and it's that way because of their own actions and because their attorney made an offer to the court for an alternative sentence.

Unless of course you know of some other people who are required to accept a tracking chip against their will.

One other thing ozone, I don't know of a jurisdiction that requires an implant. I do know of jurisdictions that require an ankle bracelet or other external tracking device.

posted December 21, 2003 07:47 PM              

A quibble about what you said in regard to Russia, ozone. The USSR did not have internal peace during the Cold War; many of its republics were annexed by force-- Czechoslovakia and Latvia, for example. There was no peace, only repression; if there had been peace, the Russians would have been considerably happier.

posted December 21, 2003 09:11 PM            

I tried to look for the story that I've seen on TV about a couple that ended up being fined in PA for not obtaining a moving permit,they were NOT under any leagal jurisdiction what so ever and their are lawyers that are fighting it for it is unconstitutional,but it is a law of certain counties. I called the news channel to verify it I was imagining it or or not(whether this really existed). They said they put the story out,but cannot help me right at this moment until tomorrow(when there is more people in the office to assist me). They were working on a robbery case. So tomorrow,I'll post it up ASAP! It's not on they're site.

A chip or any kind of device should NEVER be used against humanity. WE ARE NOT ROBOTS,even though we DO feel like it sometimes.

QueenofSheeba:

EXACTLY! You hit it on the nose!

Juniperb:

I don't know either,I don't know WHAT they're trying to do(what they're conquest really is),freedom is true peace,if any of us don't have peace or never did,then we really never was free in the first place!

posted December 21, 2003 10:10 PM            

You didn't tell me who is required to have a tracking device implant inserted against their will.

If you're talking about a moving permit as found in Hanover, PA-----------------

Moving Permits
Any Person(s) moving out of Hanover Township must obtain a Moving Permit. Permits are issued at the Township Building during normal business hours, Monday through Friday at a cost of $1.00. The cost of a Mobile Home Moving Permit is $2.00.

then I would agree, it's unconstitutional and attempting to fine me or otherwise harass me for moving out of the township would be the fastest possible way to find themselves on the receiving end of a civil lawsuit against the township, and it's executive officers.

This kind of crap wouldn't be going on if people would just take them to court at the first instance where they step over the line and every time they stepped over the line.

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But when you have a leader that looks at another country that does the same thing and states that this is wrong,I think it is kinda hypercritical,don't you think?

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But what has this got to do with the Bush Administration. Is the President responsible for the actions of every kook in America or every kooky ordinance passed by jerks on city councils in America?

Listen ozone, the President is not authorized to interfere in State issues. Let me repeat, the President is not authorized to interfere in State issues. State Courts, County Courts, State prosecutions, State Prosecutors, State Judges, State Penal systems are all beyond the scope of the President's powers. When a State Court or County Court mandates a tracking device as a condition to house arrest for someone convicted of a crime in their jurisdiction it isn't any of the President's business in his official capacity.

jwhop

posted December 21, 2003 11:00 PM            

We were talking about it on another thread about this chip and the possibilities that can happen if it was ever approved:

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/000221.html

It could be done to us and all THEY would have say is"Well,you did agree to have it implanted into your body!",you know how THAT goes.

Who ever said(on this thread)that I was even talking about the Bush Administration? You GOT to stop rushing to THEY'RE aid,everytime we discuss politics.

posted December 21, 2003 11:26 PM            

More disingenuousness ozone? If the leader you referred to here in your quote isn't the President, then which leader of which country are you talking about. The leader we have is the President of the United States ozone.

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No, I don't know how it goes when someone says I agreed to anything that I didn't agree to and it doesn't take me long to convince them that I didn't agree to anything.

In the case of felons, they did agree if part of their house arrest in lieu of imprisonment is wearing a tracker device. Otherwise their option is to do the time for the felony in prison instead of the comfort of their own home. Their choice and most of them think they're damned lucky to have the choice.

jwhop

posted December 21, 2003 11:44 PM            

Any President that was(at the time)going against any country LIKE RUSSIA,but tends to do the same thing,is what I meant!Are you Jeb Bush and your taking offence to whatever I say?

And I'm talking about the DAMN chip that they want to put into humans for the sake of THAT ATM crap!

Nothing to DO with felons,THEY SHOULD ALL BURN IN hELL!

posted December 22, 2003 01:04 AM            

My advice ozone, don't use ATM's. They record everything and take your picture. Have you thought they may also be taking your fingerprints off the 0 key which almost everyone inputs to get cash? I wouldn't talk when you're near an ATM either, full stereo sound recordings.

Gee, W hasn't told me he's doing the same things the Soviet Union did ozone. What things would those be?

Well, I will admit I'm happy ozone. With the stock market rocketing up, the economy zooming at a pace not seen in 20 years, unemployment declining, Saddam in custody, Gadhafi seeing the light, Iran agreeing to inspections of their nuclear facilities, the erratic little madman in North Korea singing a different tune and those democrats falling all over themselves making fools of themselves with reckless and untrue statements about W which turns even democrat voters off, I don't see a way W won't be reelected. It's almost as if the democrats are trying to throw the election.

You think Hillary will try to save them by running? We have a lot of questions for Hillary that she won't be able to duck if she runs for President. We'd really like to know how Hillary could lose those Rose Law Firm records under subpoena for 2 years when they were sitting on a table in the main entry to the personal quarters of the White House all the time. We have lots and lots of questions for Hillary, something about obstruction of justice, all those "gates" you know plus "White Water", "Castle Grande" and of course, we're really interested in how Tyson Foods passed a $100,000 bribe through her to Bill for an Arkansas permit for Tyson to pollute the groundwater and rivers of Arkansas. Just for starters, mind you.

So yes ozone, I'm getting happy now. How about you?

posted December 22, 2003 12:23 PM            

juniperb

posted December 22, 2003 04:33 PM            

We all have that inner child that loves Christmas and To your inner child, I wish a Merry Christmas and all the good things that goes with it

juniperb

posted December 22, 2003 04:54 PM            

juniperb