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Mirandee
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posted November 11, 2004 11:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Okay. Where to begin. It started on the net with folks like me and you questioning this election, uncertain as to whether or not our votes actually counted. Now it has spread. I will post all the info I have recieved to let you know how it all progressed. I just feel like the universe is leading us here it all happened so fast so perfect.

First Bev Harris at a non-partisan, non-profit organization called blackbox.org picked up on the questioning on the internet by people like us. She investigated and found all kinds of irregularites. Then Keith Obermann of MSNBC's "Countdown" show picked up the ball. He was the first mainline media to report it. He has kept the ball rolling with investigations. First 3 Congressmen, contacted the GAO ( General Accounting Office) and asked for an investigation into some problems, now another 3 have joined him. Today I got this letter from MoveOn.org and now that MoveOn is involved in asking for an investigation into this election more media will pick up on it. First I want you to read MoveOn.org's letter and if you feel that we, the voters, deserve to have our questions answered so we can be certain in the future our votes count, then please sign the petition and pass it on to everyone you know. Even if it does turn out that Bush won the election fair and square, that's fine, at least our uncertainties are addressed and we can vote confidently in future elections. After I post this letter and petition I will post all the info I have so far. I have a friend who is working now with blackbox.org in the computer analyzing and he gets all the newest updates and passes them on. So I will keep you all informed. I will add the sites here for Obermann and blackbox so you can keep checking them for more info too.

Dear MoveOn member,

Questions are swirling around whether the election was conducted honestly or not. We need to know -- was it or wasn't it?

If people were wrongly prevented from voting, or if legitimate votes were mis-counted or not counted at all, we need to know so the wrongdoers can be held accountable, and so we can prevent this from happening again.

Members of Congress are demanding an investigation to answer this question. The decision on whether or not there will be an investigation could come as soon as Monday. Join us in supporting the call for one now, at:
http://www.moveon.org/investigatethevote/

Then please invite your friends and colleagues to sign, as well. We need to show Congress that hundreds of thousands of Americans are serious about protecting the integrity of the vote.
We're all hearing the stories and wondering what's true and what isn't. But at least two cases of serious problems are accepted beyond doubt:


In Broward County, Florida, electronic voting machines counted backwards: as more people voted, the official vote count went down. [1]


In one Columbus, Ohio suburb, election officials have acknowledged that electronic voting machines credited Bush with winning 4,258 votes, even though only 638 people voted there. [2]


These are just cases where we know something went wrong. There were also lots of reports of people being denied ballots on Election Day. So far, these reports remain anecdotal, but they must be compiled and examined. And the Internet is abuzz with theories about why the official counts were so different from the exit polls.

Do you have a story? Were you prevented from voting? Tell us, at:
http://www.moveon.org/investigatethevote/

Six prominent members of Congress have called for an investigation. Representatives Conyers (D-MI), Holt (D-NJ), Nadler (D-NY), Scott (D-VA), Watt (D-NC) and Wexler (D-FL), have demanded that the U.S. General Accounting Office:

immediately undertake an investigation of the efficacy of voting machines and new technologies used in the 2004 election, how election officials responded to difficulties they encountered, and what we can do in the future to improve our election systems and administration. [3]
We've got to support their call by asking our own Representatives and Senators to join them.

If you have a personal story of disenfranchisement, tell us. These members of Congress have agreed to include our stories and comments in their call for an investigation. Please sign now -- we'll deliver our compiled statements to them on Friday.

Even if you don't have a personal story, your signature on our petition will still help build support for an investigation.

To keep our faith in democracy, we need to know the facts. Your signature, and your story if you have one, will help.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

--Carrie, Joan, Lee, Marika, Noah, Peter, Rosalyn, and Wes
The MoveOn.org Team
November 11th, 2004

Footnotes:

1. Broward Machines Count Backward, Palm Beach Post, November 5, 2004 http://www.palmbeachpost.com/politics/content/news/epaper/2004/11/05/a29a_BROWVOTE _1105.html

2. Glitch Gave Bush Extra Votes in Ohio, AP carried on CNN, November 5, 2004 http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/05/voting.problems.ap/

3. Letters from members of Congress to David Walker, Comptroller General of the United States, demanding an investigation of the election: November 5th, 2004 & November 8th, 2004 http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/gaoinvestvote2004ltr11804.pdf http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/gaoinvestvote2004ltr11804.pdf

Would like to add that the worse to me is what happened in Warren, Ohio. This was reported in the Cincinnati Enquirer, on a newcast in Warren and by Keith Obermann of MSNBC. The vote counting was "locked down" in Warren, Ohio. No one was allowed to witness the votes being counted. This is not normal. The reason given was that the election officials in Warren, Ohio said they were called by the FBI and Homeland Security and told to lock down the vote tallying because there was a code 10 terrorist alert for Warren. When Obermann contacted the FBI and Homeland Security they both denied having made those calls and given those orders. Someone is lying. Who? Why? We need to know what happened. We have a right to know.

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Rainbow~
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posted November 11, 2004 11:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Mirandee.....

I brought this up a few threads down....subject heading "MSNBC LOOKING INTO VOTER FRAUD."

Got lukewarm reception.....

Actually, I don't even think it was lukewarm.....

.......more like stone cold reception (outside of ONE concerned reply from Ozone).......thereby making me look more like an object of ridicule for DARING to suggest such a thing, instead of someone dead serious!...*sigh*

I hope Kerry voters will pay more attention to you....*sigh*

But I'm right behind ya, gal!

Something hasn't been "right" from the start....

Love,
Rainbow

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Mirandee
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posted November 11, 2004 11:40 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is where it all began this week lots of info to read:

(Keep the blackbox.org site address to check up on it) It has been shut down two or three times this week by hackers. One day there was a message saying:

quote:
Please excuse our temporary reconstruction
This site went down recently when we posted sensitive information.
So if the site is down keep trying.

A BUZZFLASH READER CONTRIBUTION
by Mike Whitney

If you believe that George Bush won last nights election "fair and
square" then forget about reading this article. If you know however
that tens of thousands of people who lined up for up to four hours at
a time in Ohio and Florida to have their vote counted, were not
standing there to endorse the aggression and suicidal policies of the
current administration then read on.

The unprecedented high turnout coupled with new registrations (that
were overwhelmingly in favor of John Kerry) suggest that there was
foul play at the voting booths. As a result, consumer investigator and
activist Bev Harris (founder of Black Box Voting) "is conducting the
largest Freedom of Information action in history. On election night,
Black Box Voting blanketed the US with the first in a series of public
records requests, to obtain internal computer logs and other documents
from 3,000 individual counties and townships."

If the Bush people are so confident in their victory let them "put up
or shut up."

The fact of the matter is (as every reasonable person who hasn't been
hoodwinked by the pageantry of election night fraud realizes) that the
election was stolen again in full view of the American public. The
Republican owned voting machines prevailed over exit poll projections
and the will of the American people.

If that's not the case, then let's investigate the computer logs.
According to Lynn Landis' article "Could the AP rig the Election":
"The Associated Press (AP) will be the sole source of raw vote totals
for the major news broadcasters on Election Night.. They refused to
confirm or deny that the AP will receive direct feed from voting
machines and central vote tabulating computers across the country.
But, circumstantial evidence suggests that is exactly what will happen.

And what can be downloaded can also be uploaded. Computer experts say
that signals can travel both to and from computerized voting machines
through wireless technology, modems, and even simple electricity."
Landis just confirms what is already known about "sketchy" electronic
voting and how it invites vote tampering. Her connection between
election machinery, vote totals and the AP, however, has not
previously been made. She goes on to explain that, "AP spokespeople
would not give out information on who sits on their board, however AP
leadership appears quite conservative."

Landis continues: "Burl Osborne, chairman of the AP board of
directors, is also publisher emeritus of the conservative The Dallas
Morning News, a newspaper that endorsed George W. Bush in the last
election. Kathleen Carroll, senior vice president and executive editor
of AP, was a reporter at The Dallas Morning News before joining AP.
Carroll is also on the Associated Press Managing Editors (APME)'s
7-member executive committee. The APME "works in partnership with AP
to improve the wire service's performance," according to their
website. APME vice president, Deanna Sands, is managing editor of the
ultra conservative Omaha World Herald newspaper, whose parent company
owns the largest voting machine company in the nation, Election
Systems and Software (ES&S)."

It's a cozy relationship considering that ES&S voting machines count
50% of all the votes in the country. The second largest company,
Diebold, is also tied to the Republican Party and promised (in a
comment by Wally Diebold that got widespread attention on the
internet) to "deliver the vote" in Ohio to President Bush.

Both Wally and ES&S apparently succeeded admirably in their task of
undermining the election.

Many readers are probably wondering what happened to the "Help America
Vote Act" that was passed by Congress to avoid the problems of Florida
2000? As Landis reports in an earlier article: "What Congress really
did was to throw $2.65 billion at the states, so that they could
lavish it on a handful of private companies that are controlled by
ultra-conservative Republicans, foreigners and felons." (Diebold, ES&S
and Sequoia were among the big winners)

None of the facts related to the presidential election add up. Voter
registration went up from 105 million to 120 million. In Ohio alone it
went up a whopping 17%. Whenever registration has surged like this in
the past, it has always favored the challenger and precipitated a
change in government.

Not so, this time, and Republican pollsters are eager to convince us
that the reason for this is a renewed interest among the American
public for "moral values". Is that it or are the results simply an
indication of massive (but well calculated) voter fraud?

The exit polling was equally skewed, showing a clear victory for
Kerry. Exit polling has traditionally been a reliable way of
determining the outcome of elections. Not so in Bush-world, where vote
totals are invariably higher for Bush in the contentious areas that
ultimately decide the election.

Give strategist Karl Rove his due; he knew what had to be done and did
it. The rest, of course, has been papered over by the pollsters, pimps
and pundits in American press corps.

Do we need to remind ourselves that representative government can only
be established by the power of the vote? It is the electoral process
that confers legitimacy on government. Without a popular mandate state
power can only be vindicated through force of arms.

Last night American democracy was skillfully subverted and replaced
with a mutant form of corporatism that operates independent of the
will of the people. It's impossible to know what the long term affects
of this will be, but it is a development that should greatly concern
us all.
http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/04/11/con04482.html
___

The Case For Fraud


November 3 2004
Counterbias.com
by Joseph Cannon

Ignore the rightist snickers. Ignore those who would straightjacket
permissible thought. We have a right to ask difficult questions.

And the question of the moment concerns exit polls and electronic voting.

Some have criticized my pessimistic attitude toward this election, but
I always heeded the warnings sounded by Bev Harris and others
regarding computerized voting. If Kerry did not win handily, he could
not win at all. A truly lopsided vote would have been impossible to
hide, because oversized gaps between polls and election night counts
would prove too suspicious.

Although the vote was tight, such gaps nevertheless exists. And
although they are not massive, the pattern gives us every right to
voice our suspicions.

Remember when networks used to trumpet the accuracy of exit polling?
Last night, I saw on-air talking heads (especially on CNN) loudly
deride these same exit polls as untrustworthy.

Perhaps the methodology has become sloppy. Perhaps respondents have
learned to enjoy fibbing to pollsters. Or perhaps something in our
current vote-tabulation system is fishier than an all-you-can-eat
sushi bar.

Before proceeding, recall the commonly-heard axiom that Democrats tend
to vote late, while Republicans tend to vote early. Many challenge
that belief. Still, keep the notion in mind.

Exit polls published yesterday afternoon (by Slate and a number of
blogs) gave this portrait of certain key results:

OHIO: Kerry 50, Bush 49. FLORIDA: Kerry 50, Bush 49. NEW MEXICO: Kerry
51, Bush 48.

At times, the poll data was even more favorable to Kerry in these
three key states. See, for example, this screen capture of CNN data in
Ohio. No exit poll showed a Bush lead in any of these states.

Here are grounds for suspicion. Electronic voting machines figured
heavily in the final tabulation of the results in Ohio, Florida, and
New Mexico. Moreover, in all three, paper audit trails do not exist.

These states therefore offered the best, safest opportunity for
manipulation of the final count.

Question 1: Even if we grant the potential inaccuracy of exit polls,
how likely is it that in all three cases the inaccuracy would show a
"non-existent" Democratic advantage? Why doesn't the discrepancy ever
work in the other direction?

Question 2: Why did problems afflict exit polling in three swing
states that have widespread computerized voting with no paper trails?

In other states, the exit polling matched the final results rather
well. In Nevada, Illinois, and New Hampshire, computer votes do have
paper trails -- and in those instances, the exit polls tracked the
final totals.

To recap: In three states with no paper trails, we have exit
poll/final tally disagreement. In three states with paper trails, we
have exit poll/final tally congruence.

Coincidence?

Let's return to the notion that Republicans vote earlier than
Democrats. Many dispute that bit of folk wisdom. Even so, is it likely
that the people waiting four, five or more hours in long lines, well
into the cold of the night, underwent this endurance test to demand
more of the same? Shouldn't the polls have showed Kerry's lead
expanding as the night went on, instead of evaporating?

Intriguingly, CNN's exit poll results underwent a mysterious revision
not explained by an increased number of respondents.

Black Box Voting plans to file the world's largest FOIA request to
uncover the internals of the compu-vote. Don't presume that such an
inquest will come up goose eggs:


Such a request filed in King County, Washington on Sept. 15, following
the primary election six weeks ago, uncovered an internal audit log
containing a three-hour deletion on election night; "trouble slips"
revealing suspicious modem activity; and profound problems with
security, including accidental disclosure of critically sensitive
remote access information to poll workers, office personnel, and even,
in a shocking blunder, to Black Box Voting activists.
Today's Boston Globe expands on some of the points I've made here:


Although some of John F. Kerry's leads in the state exit polls
narrowed during the course of the day yesterday, there was a
significant discrepancy between the actual vote total and the polling
numbers, particularly in two states believed to be keys to the outcome.

While the exit data had Kerry winning Florida and Ohio by a narrow
margin, the actual tabulated vote late last night had Bush carrying
Florida by about five points and winning Ohio by two. In addition, a
projected Kerry win of about five points in Wisconsin turned into a
very tight contest, and what was projected as a close race in North
Carolina turned into a double-digit win for Bush.
Again: Note the pattern. Why do the exit polls always go wrong in the
same way? Pundits who assail these polls never address this question.

Logic tells us that about half the exit polls would show "false
positives" for the Republican side. But in the past two presidential
elections, they have almost always (should I strike out the word
"almost"?) delivered "false positives" for Democrats only.

The simplest explanation: The Democratic "false positives" are not, in
fact, false. The computerized tally is false.

Remember: If malign parties have tampered with the electronic result,
then our first, best -- and perhaps only -- indication of fraud will
be a conflict between the exit poll data and the "official" results.

As for what to do about it: May I at least suggest a visit to www.blackboxvoting.org?


Joseph Cannon is a writer and graphic designer in Los Angeles,
California. He runs the Cannonfire weblog.
http://www.counterbias.com/152.html

______

Voting without auditing. (Are we insane?)

SEATTLE, WASHINGTON Nov 3 2004 -- Did the voting machines trump exit
polls? There's a way to find out.

Black Box Voting (.ORG) is conducting the largest Freedom of
Information action in history. At 8:30 p.m. Election Night, Black Box
Voting blanketed the U.S. with the first in a series of public records
requests, to obtain internal computer logs and other documents from
3,000 individual counties and townships. Networks called the election
before anyone bothered to perform even the most rudimentary audit.

America: We have permission to say No to unaudited voting. It is our
right.

Among the first requests sent to counties (with all kinds of voting
systems -- optical scan, touch-screen, and punch card) is a formal
records request for internal audit logs, polling place results slips,
modem transmission logs, and computer trouble slips.

An earlier FOIA is more sensitive, and has not been disclosed here. We
will notify you as soon as we can go public with it.

Such a request filed in King County, Washington on Sept. 15, following
the primary election six weeks ago, uncovered an internal audit log
containing a three-hour deletion on election night; "trouble slips"
revealing suspicious modem activity; and profound problems with
security, including accidental disclosure of critically sensitive
remote access information to poll workers, office personnel, and even,
in a shocking blunder, to Black Box Voting activists.

Black Box Voting is a nonpartisan, nonprofit consumer protection group
for elections. You may view the first volley of public records
requests here: Freedom of Information requests here

Responses from public officials will be posted in the forum, is
organized by state and county, so that any news organization or
citizens group has access to the information. Black Box Voting will
assist in analysis, by providing expertise in evaluating the records.
Watch for the records online; Black Box Voting will be posting the
results as they come in. And by the way, these are not free. The more
donations we get, the more FOIAs we are empowered to do. Time's a'wasting.

We look forward to seeing you participate in this process. Join us in
evaluating the previously undisclosed inside information about how our
voting system works.
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
_____

Central Tabulating Machines Connected to Modems

New Info proves that Central Tabulating Computers have modems
connected and are open to manipulation. ie- all this stuff about vote
challengers is just a diversion, because one person can change the
state total from their home computer. Take the day off of work to help
save our country.

Yeah sure conspiracy nuts- they can't steal it- wrong. We now have
evidence that certainly looks like altering a computerized voting
system during a real election, and it happened just six weeks ago.

Concerned citizens around the country need to get off their duffs and
do something to save our country. Namely go down to their polling
places and ask that the modems be disconnected. Take a zoom camera and
take pictures for evidence.

Bev Harris- THE authority on securing the vote

=============

MONDAY Nov 1 2004: New information indicates that hackers may be
targeting the central computers counting our votes tomorrow. All
county elections officials who use modems to transfer votes from
polling places to the central vote-counting server should disconnect
the modems now.

There is no down side to removing the modems. Simply drive the vote
cartridges from each polling place in to the central vote-counting
location by car, instead of transmitting by modem. "Turning off" the
modems may not be sufficient. Disconnect the central vote counting
server from all modems, INCLUDING PHONE LINES, not just Internet.

In a very large county, this will add at most one hour to the
vote-counting time, while offering significant protection from outside
intrusion.

It appears that such an attack may already have taken place, in a
primary election 6 weeks ago in King County, Washington -- a large
jurisdiction with over one million registered voters. Documents,
including internal audit logs for the central vote-counting computer,
along with modem "trouble slips" consistent with hacker activity, show
that the system may have been hacked on Sept. 14, 2004. Three hours is
now missing from the vote-counting computer's "audit log," an
automatically generated record, similar to the black box in an
airplane, which registers certain kinds of events.

COMPUTER FOLKS:

Here are the details about remote access vulnerability through the
modem connecting polling place voting machines with the central
vote-counting server in each county elections office. This applies
specifically to all Diebold systems (1,000 counties and townships),
and may also apply to other vendors. The prudent course of action is
to disconnect all modems, since the downside is small and the danger
is significant.

The central servers are installed on unpatched, open Windows computers
and use RAS (Remote Access Server) to connect to the voting machines
through telephone lines. Since RAS is not adequately protected, anyone
in the world, even terrorists, who can figure out the server's phone
number can change vote totals without being detected by observers.

The passwords in many locations are easily guessed, and the access
phone numbers can be learned through social engineering or war dialing.

ELECTION OFFICIALS:

The only way to protect tomorrow's election from this type of attack
is to disconnect the servers from the modems now. Under some
configurations, attacks by remote access are possible even if the
modem appears to be turned off. The modem lines should be physically
disconnected.

We obtained these documents through a public records request. The
video was taken at a press conference held by the King County
elections chief Friday Oct 29.

The audit log is a computer-generated automatic record similar to the
"black box" in an airplane, that automatically records access to the
Diebold GEMS central tabulator (unless, of course, you go into it in
the clandestine way we demonstrated on September 22 in Washington DC
at the National Press club.)

The central tabulator audit log is an FEC-required security feature.
The kinds of things it detects are the kinds of things you might see
if someone was tampering with the votes: Opening the vote file,
previewing and/or printing interim results, altering candidate
definitions (a method that can be used to flip votes).

Three hours is missing altogether from the Sept. 14 Washington State
primary held six weeks ago.

The audit log is 168 pages long and spans 120 days, and the 3 hours
just happen to be missing during the most critical three hours on
election night.

Election officials: Disconnect those modems NOW. If you don't: You
gotta be replaced.
Reporters: Some election officials will lie to you. Show your kids
what bravery looks like. Be courageous. Report the truth.
Citizens: Please help us by joining the Cleanup Crew. For now, e-mail
crew@blackboxvoting.org to join, since our signup form has been taken out.
Candidates: Make a statement. Do not concede on Election Night. Wait
until audits and records can be examined. Note that most voting
machine problems will be found between Nov. 3-12, during the canvass,
and a few weeks later, when public records requests are obtained.


More from Bev here, including a video they made of the chimp pushing
some buttons to start a script to steal the vote.
http://blackboxvoting.org/

===========

Anonymous:

It's not just about the Presidential race, but the Bush and the
neocons need to steal the House and Senate races too, or else they'll
be facing trial and Bush/Cheney impeachment. They know it- that's why
they're going to steal it- unless we stop them.

Call all of your friends and family tonight, get organized to hit as
many polling places as possible. Maybe you could each need to pick a
location and keep an eye on them all day... got an ipod and/or
boombox? Bring some inspirational music to make it a festive occasion
http://www.benfrank.net/nuke/Free_Peace_mp3s.html

(must get MOSH, MLK, Eddie Vedder)

Take the Day off Work

Go down to your local polling places (ie google "toledo polling
locations") and ask that the modems be disconnected. Bring a camera
and take pictures for evidence. The phone lines need to be unhooked,
anything less is unacceptable. We need to demand the the 'memory
cards' are driven to the central tabulator, and we need you to watch
them box the memory cards, seal the boxes, follow their car as they
drive it to the next location, where you can ensure the seals are
intact and the number of boxes is unchanged.

If we want to reclaim our country, it's going to be up to regular
people like you and me to demand a secure system tomorrow. Think about
it, if they steal this one, after four more years of Bush, will we
ever have an honest election again?


by : Bev Harris
http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4116

___

movie at http://www.votergate.tv/
votergate.tv Documentary

The producers of this film have created a thirty minute documentary on
the vulnerabilities of electronic voting machines and are making this
film available as a free educational public service in time for the
presidential election. For more information, go to www.votergate.tv.

What This Film Achieves

This film is an investigative documentary uncovering the truth about
new computer voting systems, which allow a few powerful corporations
to record our votes in secret. But the film is not just a warning. It
strongly concludes that elections are harder to defraud when voters
turn out in
big numbers. This documentary is designed specifically to help viewers
navigate past the fear and spin already being thrown at this critical
issue.

The film educates viewers about the dangers now threatening the voting
system. The film surprises and entertains as characters, like
grandmother/investigator Bev Harris, expose the truth, take on the
gatekeepers and hold them to account. It educates citizens about how
to keenly observe and question the process on Election Day and
empowers viewers to hold their election officials accountable.

George Wendt, the actor famous for his role as the good friend Norm on
the hit comedy Cheers, is the narrator.

Bev Harris, is the Executive Director of Black Box Voting www.BlackBoxVoting.org. According to Vanity Fair Magazine her
investigations are breaking newsthat would have made her career at The
New York Times or Washington Post.

Andy Stephenson, Associate Director, Black Box Voting, is uncovering
nationwide evidence of security risks in America's voting system .

The producers Simon Ardizzone, Russell Michaels and Robert
Carrillo-Cohen are independent filmmakers who decided to create this
30 minute film when they realized that most of the information on this
vital story was not reaching the public through the mainstream media.
They are producing the film in association with Sarah Teale/Teale
Productions and Earl Katz of Public Interest Pictures.

Target Audience

The documentary speaks directly to voters of all ages, and also to
people who have never considered voting before. This is the one issue
that can wake up the people, whether they're Democrats, Republicans,
Libertarians or Greens -- who believe democracy means that every vote
counts.

Production

We are continuing to shoot through the Presidential election and are
receiving contributions to fund the completion of the Post-Election
DVD / Feature
film.

ADDRESS

There are other web sites with Votergate in the title. Please be sure,
when referencing our film that you use the correct web address: www.votergate.tv.

ABOUT TEALE PRODUCTIONS

Teale Productions (www.tealeproductions.com ) was formed in 1988 and
has since built a reputation as a cutting edge investigative
documentary production and entertainment producing company. Teale has
produced award winning original documentaries and television series
for HBO, AMC, PBS, Channel 4 (UK), and the BBC. Teale Productions is
in constant development with high quality documentaries and original
productions.

ABOUT PUBLIC INTEREST PICTURES

Public Interest Pictures (PIP)www.publicinterestpictures.org) is a
non-profit organization committed to creating documentaries that will
not only be seen
by the masses but will also move them. PIP explores progressive issues
currently threatened by governmental policies at odds with the public
interest.

http://www.archive.org/movies/movies-details-db.php?collection=election_2004&collectionid=VotergateTheMovie&from=thisJustIn/

_________

E-voting irregularities raise eyebrows, blood pressure
Concern over electronic voting technology was not assuaged Tuesday as
glitches, confusion and human error raised a welter of problems across
the country, even while e-vote watchdogs prepared to file suits
challenging the results derived from the controversial machines.

New rules, new voters and a tight presidential contest combined to
create "a recipe for problems," said Sean Greene, who was watching
Cleveland polls for the Election Reform Information Project, a
nonpartisan research group on election reform.

Nearly one in three voters, including about half of those in Florida,
were expected to cast ballots using ATM-style voting machines that
computer scientists have criticized for their potential for software
glitches, hacking and malfunctioning.

In South Carolina, problems were reported in a handful of precincts in
two counties using electronic machines. Officials said voters were
forced to switch to paper ballots while technicians got the iVotronic
touch screens from Electronic Systems & Software up and running within
about 90 minutes.

And in Volusia County, Fla., a memory card in an optical-scan voting
machine failed Monday at an early voting site and didn't count 13,000
ballots. Officials planned to feed the ballots, in which voters fill
in a bubble, and count them Tuesday.

Many of the problems with electronic voting - whether accidental or
intentional - may not be known until well after Tuesday, if at all.
Most of the ATM-style machines, including all of Florida's, lack paper
records that could be used to verify the electronic results in a recount.

The Electronic Frontier Foundation's VerifiedVoting.org, which has
been monitoring the implementation of e-voting machines in the U.S.,
warned on Monday that over 20 percent of the machines tested by
observers around the country failed to record votes properly. The
organization recommended that voters choosing to use touchscreen
voting methods be sure to double-check the summary screen to confirm
that their votes had been properly registered.

BlackBoxVoting.org, the site organized by e-voting activist Bev
Harris, announced early Wednesday that it plans to conduct what the
site describes as the largest Freedom of Information Act request in
history, requesting internal computer logs and other documents from
3,000 individual counties and townships using electronic voting machines.

According to a release posted on the site, "Such a request filed in
King County, Washington on Sept. 15, following the primary election
six weeks ago, uncovered an internal audit log containing a three-hour
deletion on election night; 'trouble slips' revealing suspicious modem
activity; and profound problems with security, including accidental
disclosure of critically sensitive remote access information to poll
workers, office personnel, and even, in a shocking blunder, to Black
Box Voting activists."

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Then word came out that 3 congressmen had contacted the GAO asking for an investigation ( and now there are 6 congressmen- 3 more joined to back them)
http://finance.lycos.com/qc/news/story.aspx?symbols=WIRED:100&story=200 411052232_WRD_65623_200411051732

House Dems Seek Election Inquiry


5 November 2004, 5:32pm ET
by Kim Zetter


Three congressmen sent a letter to the General Accounting Office on Friday requesting an investigation into irregularities with voting machines used in Tuesday's elections.

The congressmen, Democratic members of the House of Representatives from Florida, New York and Michigan, cited a number of incidents that came to light in the days after the election. One was a glitch in Ohio that caused a memory card reader made by Danaher Controls to give George W. Bush 3,893 more votes than he should have received. Another was a problem with memory cards in North Carolina that caused machines made by UniLect to lose 4,500 votes cast on e-voting machines. The votes were lost when the number of votes cast on the machines exceeded the capacity of the memory cards.

There were also problems with machines that counted absentee ballots in Florida. Software made by Election Systems & Software began subtracting votes when totals surpassed 32,000. Officials said the problem affected only certain countywide races on one of the last pages of the ballot. Elections officials knew about the problem two years ago, but the company failed to fix the software before the election this year.

Reports from voters in Florida and Ohio also indicated that some of them had problems voting for the candidate of their choice. When they tried to vote for John Kerry, they said, the machine either wouldn't register the vote at all or would indicate on the review page that the vote was cast for Bush instead.

In their letter, representatives John Conyers Jr. of Michigan, Jerrold Nadler of New York and Robert Wexler of Florida asked the GAO to "immediately undertake an investigation of the efficacy of voting machines and new technologies used in the 2004 election, how election officials responded to difficulties they encountered and what we can do in the future to improve our election systems and administration."

John Doty, spokesman for Nadler, said the congressmen emphasized that they were not seeking a nationwide recount and were not anticipating that an investigation would change the outcome of the election.

"But we do want to make sure that where there are problems they're fixed so that it won't affect other elections in the future," Doty said. "We want to make sure that people can be confident in the system."

Doty said, however, that if the GAO does find a lot more problems that haven't yet been reported, then people will at least know about them and be able to decide what to do about them.

"We're hopeful that the GAO does not find such terrible irregularities that it would demonstrate widespread problems," Doty said.

No one was available at the office of the GAO to respond to questions. But a GAO representative told Wired News in September that the agency was planning to produce a report on e-voting after the election anyway.

The Keith Obermann ( aka The Bloggermann) picked up on it. Keep this site address as it changes everyday.

MSNBC is paying attention. The Bloggerman speaks: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/


But here is the orginal "Countdown" show concerning blackbox.org et al:

Electronic voting angst (Keith Olbermann)

NEW YORK — Bev Harris, the Blackbox lady, was apparently quoted in a number of venues during the day Monday as having written “I was tipped off by a person very high up in TV that the news has been locked down tight, and there will be no TV coverage of the real problems with voting on Nov. 2… My source said they’ve also been forbidden to talk about it even on their own time.”

I didn’t get the memo.

We were able to put together a reasonably solid 15 minutes or so on the voting irregularities in Florida and Ohio on Monday’s Countdown. There was some You-Are-There insight from the Cincinnati Enquirer reporter who had personally encountered the ‘lockdown’ during the vote count in Warren County, Ohio, a week ago, and a good deal of fairly contained comment from Representative John Conyers of Michigan, who now leads a small but growing group of Democratic congressmen who’ve written the General Accountability Office demanding an investigation of what we should gently call the Electronic Voting Angst. Conyers insisted he wasn’t trying to re-cast the election, but seemed mystified that in the 21st Century we could have advanced to a technological state in which voting— fine, flawed, or felonious— should leave no paper trail.

But the show should not have been confused with Edward R. Murrow flattening Joe McCarthy. I mean that both in terms of editorial content and controversy. I swear, and I have never been known to cover-up for any management anywhere, that I got nothing but support from MSNBC both for the Web-work and the television time. We were asked if perhaps we shouldn’t begin the program with the Fallujah offensive and do the voting story later, but nobody flinched when we argued that the Countdown format pretty much allows us to start wherever we please.

It may be different elsewhere, but there was no struggle to get this story on the air, and evidently I should be washing the feet of my bosses this morning in thanks. Because your reaction was a little different than mine. By actual rough count, between the 8 p.m. ET start of the program and 10:30 p.m. ET last night, we received 1,570 e-mails (none of them duplicates or forms, as near as I can tell). 1,508 were positive, 62 negative.

Well the volume is startling to begin with. I know some of the overtly liberal sites encouraged readers to write, but that’s still a hunk of mail, and a decisive margin (hell, 150 to 62 is considered a decisive margin). Writing this, I know I’m inviting negative comment, but so be it. I read a large number of the missives, skimmed all others, appreciate all— and all since— deeply.

Even the negative ones, because in between the repeated “you lost” nonsense and one baffling reference to my toupee (seriously, if I wore a rug, wouldn’t I get one that was all the same color?), there was a solid point raised about some of the incongruous voting noted on the website of Florida’s Secretary of State.

There, 52 counties tallied their votes using paper ballots that were then optically scanned by machines produced by Diebold, Sequoia, or Election Systems and Software. 29 of those Florida counties had large Democratic majorities among registered voters (as high a ratio as Liberty County— Bristol, Florida and environs— where it’s 88 percent Democrats, 8 percent Republicans) but produced landslides for President Bush. On Countdown, we cited the five biggest surprises (Liberty ended Bush: 1,927; Kerry: 1,070), but did not mention the other 24.

Those protesting e-mailers pointed out that four of the five counties we mentioned also went for Bush in 2000, and were in Florida’s panhandle or near the Georgia border. Many of them have long “Dixiecrat” histories and the swing to Bush, while remarkably large, isn’t of itself suggestive of voting fraud.

That the other 24 counties were scattered across the state, and that they had nothing in common except the optical scanning method, I didn’t mention. My bad. I used the most eye-popping numbers, and should have used a better regional mix instead.

Interestingly, none of the complaining emailers took issue with the remarkable results out of Cuyahoga County, Ohio. In 29 precincts there, the County’s website shows, we had the most unexpected results in years: more votes than voters.

I’ll repeat that: more votes than voters. 93,000 more votes than voters.

Oops.

Talk about successful get-out-the-vote campaigns! What a triumph for democracy in Fairview Park, twelve miles west of downtown Cleveland. Only 13,342 registered voters there, but they cast 18,472 votes.

Vote early! Vote often!

And in the continuing saga of the secret vote count in Warren County, Ohio (outside Cincinnati), no protestor offered an explanation or even a reference, excepting one sympathetic writer who noted that there was a “beautiful Mosque” in or near Warren County, and that a warning from Homeland Security might have been predicated on that fact.

To her credit, Pat South, President of the Warren County Commissioners who chose to keep the media from watching the actual vote count, was willing to come on the program— but only by phone. Instead, we asked her to compose a statement about the bizarre events at her County Administration building a week ago, which I can quote at greater length here than I did on the air.

“About three weeks prior to elections,” Ms. South stated, “our emergency services department had been receiving quite a few pieces of correspondence from the office of Homeland Security on the upcoming elections. These memos were sent out statewide, not just to Warren County and they included a lot of planning tools and resources to use for election day security.

“In a face to face meeting between the FBI and our director of Emergency Services, we were informed that on a scale from 1 to 10, the tri-state area of Southwest Ohio was ranked at a high 8 to a low 9 in terms of security risk. Warren County in particular, was rated at 10 (with 10 being the highest risk). Pursuant to the Ohio revised code, we followed the law to the letter that basically says that no one is allowed within a hundred feet of a polling place except for voters and that after the polls close the only people allowed in the board of elections area where votes are being counted are the board of election members, judges, clerks, poll challengers, police, and that no one other than those people can be there while tabulation is taking place.”

Ms. South said she admitted the media to the building’s lobby, and that they were provided with updates on the ballot-counting every half hour. Of course, the ballot-counting was being conducted on the third floor, and the idea that it would have probably looked better if Warren had done what Ohio’s other 87 counties did— at least let reporters look through windows as the tabulations proceeded— apparently didn’t occur to anybody.

Back to those emails, especially the 1,508 positive ones. Apart from the supportive words (my favorites: “Although I did not vote for Kerry, as a former government teacher, I am encouraged by your ‘covering’ the voting issue which is the basis of our government. Thank you.”), the main topics were questions about why ours was apparently the first television or mainstream print coverage of any of the issues in Florida or Ohio. I have a couple of theories.

Firstly, John Kerry conceded. As I pointed out here Sunday, no candidate’s statement is legally binding— what matters is the state election commissions’ reports, and the Electoral College vote next month. But in terms of reportorial momentum, the concession took the wind out of a lot of journalists’ aggressiveness towards the entire issue. Many were prepared for Election Night premature jocularity, and a post-vote stampede to the courts— especially after John Edwards’ late night proclamation from Boston. When Kerry brought that to a halt, a lot of the media saw something of which they had not dared dream: a long weekend off.

Don’t discount this. This has been our longest presidential campaign ever, to say nothing of the one in which the truth was most artfully hidden or manufactured. To consider this mess over was enough to get 54 percent of the respondents to an Associated Press poll released yesterday to say that the “conclusiveness” of last week’s vote had given them renewed confidence in our electoral system (of course, 39 percent said it had given them less confidence). Up for the battle for truth or not, a lot of fulltime political reporters were ready for a rest. Not me— I get to do “Oddball” and “Newsmakers” every night and they always serve to refresh my spirit, and my conviction that man is the silliest of the creator’s creations.

There’s a third element to the reluctance to address all this, I think. It comes from the mainstream’s love-hate relationship with this very thing you’re reading now: The Blog. This medium is so new that print, radio, and television don’t know what to do with it, especially given that a system of internet checks and balances has yet to develop. A good reporter may encounter a tip, or two, or five, in a day’s time. He has to check them all out before publishing or reporting.

What happens when you get 1,000 tips, all at once?

I’m sounding like an apologist for the silence of television and I don’t mean to. Just remember that when radio news arose in the '30s, the response of newspapers and the wire services was to boycott it, then try to limit it to specific hours. There’s a measure of competitiveness, a measure of confusion, and the undeniable fact that in searching for clear, non-partisan truth in this most partisan of times, the I’m-Surprised-This-Name-Never-Caught-On “Information Super Highway” becomes a road with direction signs listing 1,000 destinations each.

Having said all that— for crying out loud, all the data we used tonight on Countdown was on official government websites in Cleveland and Florida. We confirmed all of it— moved it right out of the Reynolds Wrap Hat zone in about ten minutes.

Which offers one way bloggers can help guide the mainstream at times like this: source your stuff like crazy, and the stuffier the source the better.

Enough from the soapbox. We have heard the message on the Voting Angst and will continue to cover it with all prudent speed.

Thanks for your support.

Keep them coming... Email me at KOlbermann@msnbc.com

• November 7, 2004 | 6:55 p.m. ET

George, John, and Warren (Keith Olbermann)

NEW YORK— Here’s an interesting little sidebar of our system of government confirmed recently by the crack Countdown research staff: no Presidential candidate’s concession speech is legally binding. The only determinants of the outcome of election are the reports of the state returns boards and the vote of the Electoral College.

That’s right. Richard Nixon may have phoned John Kennedy in November, 1960, and congratulated him through clenched teeth. But if the FBI had burst into Kennedy headquarters in Chicago a week later and walked out with all the file cabinets and a bunch of employees with their raincoats drawn up over their heads, nothing Nixon had said would’ve prevented him, and not JFK, from taking the oath of office the following January.

This is mentioned because there is a small but blood-curdling set of news stories that right now exists somewhere between the world of investigative journalism, and the world of the Reynolds Wrap Hat. And while the group’s ultimate home remains unclear - so might our election of just a week ago.

Stories like these have filled the web since the tide turned against John Kerry late Tuesday night. But not until Friday did they begin to spill into the more conventional news media. That’s when the Cincinnati Enquirer reported that officials in Warren County, Ohio, had “locked down” its administration building to prevent anybody from observing the vote count there.

Suspicious enough on the face of it, the decision got more dubious still when County Commissioners confirmed that they were acting on the advice of their Emergency Services Director, Frank Young. Mr. Young had explained that he had been advised by the federal government to implement the measures for the sake of Homeland Security.

Gotcha. Tom Ridge thought Osama Bin Laden was planning to hit Caesar Creek State Park in Waynesville. During the vote count in Lebanon. Or maybe it was Kings Island Amusement Park that had gone Code-Orange without telling anybody. Al-Qaeda had selected Turtlecreek Township for its first foray into a Red State.

The State of Ohio confirms that of all of its 88 Counties, Warren alone decided such Homeland Security measures were necessary. Even in Butler County, reports the Enquirer, the media and others were permitted to watch through a window as ballot-checkers performed their duties. In Warren, the media was finally admitted to the lobby of the administration building, which may have been slightly less incommodious for the reporters, but which still managed to keep them two floors away from the venue of the actual count.

Nobody in Warren County seems to think they’ve done anything wrong. The newspaper quotes County Prosecutor Rachel Hurtzel as saying the Commissioners “were within their rights” to lock the building down, because having photographers or reporters present could have interfered with the count.

You bet, Rachel.

As I suggested, this is the first time one of the Fix stories has moved fully into the mainstream media. In so saying, I’m not dismissing the blogosphere. Hell, I’m in the blogosphere now, and there have been nights when I’ve gotten far more web hits than television viewers (thank you, Debate Scorecard readers). Even the overt partisanship of blogs don’t bother me - Tom Paine was a pretty partisan guy, and ultimately that served truth a lot better than a ship full of neutral reporters would have. I was just reading last night of the struggles Edward R. Murrow and William L. Shirer had during their early reporting from Europe in ’38 and ’39, because CBS thought them too anti-Nazi.

The only reason I differentiate between the blogs and the newspapers is that in the latter, a certain bar of ascertainable, reasonably neutral, fact has to be passed, and has to be approved by a consensus of reporters and editors. The process isn’t flawless (ask Dan Rather) but the next time you read a blog where bald-faced lies are accepted as fact, ask yourself whether we here in cyberspace have yet achieved the reliability of even the mainstream media. In short, a lot gets left out of newspapers, radio, and tv - but what’s left in tends to be, in the words of my old CNN Sports colleague NickCharles, a lead-pipe cinch.

Thus the majority of the media has yet to touch the other stories of Ohio (the amazing Bush Times Ten voting machine in Gahanna) or the sagas of Ohio South: huge margins for Bush in Florida counties in which registered Democrats outnumber registered Republicans 2-1, places where the optical scanning of precinct totals seems to have turned results from perfect matches for the pro-Kerry exit poll data, to Bush sweeps.

We will be endeavoring to pull those stories, along with the Warren County farce, into the mainstream Monday and/or Tuesday nights on Countdown. That is, if we can wedge them in there among the news media’s main concerns since last Tuesday:

Who fixed the Exit Polls? Yes - you could deliberately skew a national series of post-vote questionnaires in favor of Kerry to discourage people from voting out west, where everything but New Mexico had been ceded to Kerry anyway, but you couldn’t alter key precinct votes in Ohio and/or Florida; and,
What will Bush do with his Mandate and his Political Capital? He got the highest vote total for a presidential candidate, you know. Did anybody notice who’s second on the list? A Mr. Kerry. Since when was the term “mandate” applied when 56 million people voted against a guy? And by the way, how about that Karl Rove and his Freudian slip on “Fox News Sunday”? Rove was asked if the electoral triumph would be as impactful on the balance of power between the parties as William McKinley’s in 1896 and he forgot his own talking points. The victories were “similarly narrow,” Rove began, and then, seemingly aghast at his forthrightness, corrected himself. “Not narrow; similarly structured.”
Gotta dash now. Some of us have to get to work on the Warren and Florida stories.

In the interim, Senator Kerry, kindly don’t leave the country.

Thoughts? Let me know at KOlbermann@msnbc.com

• November 3, 2004 | 2:51 a.m. ET

Pick a total, any total (Keith Olbermann)

SECAUCUS — At 2:37 A.M. Eastern Time, the five major television news organizations were in complete disagreement over the electoral count:

NBC: Bush 269 Kerry 211.
Fox: Bush 269 Kerry 238.
CNN: Bush 249 Kerry 242.
CBS: Bush 249 Kerry 238.
ABC: Bush 249 Kerry 225.
Remember when I scored the debates as boxing matches? Those are boxing judges' scorecard totals— and not one of them agrees.

The Kerry campaign announcing at 2:45 a.m. ET, a "full lid" -- political news terminology for no further comment for the night.

Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

• November 3, 2004 | 1:46 a.m. ET

Premature jocularity (Keith Olbermann)

SECAUCUS— Oh, here we go.

The legal equivalent of the Bat Signal has just gone up from Cleveland.

The Kerry Campaign isn’t going to concede until the last lawyer is spent in Ohio. Manager Mary Beth Cahill issuing the statement at 1:27 AM EST and to quote it in full: "The vote count in Ohio has not been completed. There are more than 250,000 remaining votes to be counted. We believe when they are, John Kerry will win Ohio."

The Ohio challenge actually began yesterday when two Federal District judges ruled that Republican vote-challengers could not position themselves at the poll. Those Republicans successfully appealed, and then the court actions began to multiply like rabbits.

Today came news of interminable lines, voters offered paper ballots in voting districts that had no provisions for counting them, and then the provisional ballots issue. It’s an all-you-can-eat buffet for litigators.

And when we wondered if it could be worse than 2000, we just found the way. I split part of October in 1997 between Miami and Cleveland, covering the World Series. Miami was warm, humid, and enjoyable. Cleveland had a wind-chill of 22 degrees with snow.

So it’s Florida— only with parkas.

• November 3, 2004 | 12:18 a.m. ET

Too close leads too early by two million (Keith Olbermann)

So much for the ultra-conservative state-calling by the television networks in the wake of the debacle of 2000.

As midnight came to the East, ABC and CBS, were out there, alone, having called Florida for the President. Just as four years ago, that’s great if they’re right. But if they’re not, it will again guarantee a long-running dispute and perhaps a Constitutional crisis.

And in the interim, the fact that two big news organizations called Florida for Bush while the others - CNN, Fox, NBC - did not immediately follow, may foment a crisis whether the Florida prediction is wrong or right. If the assumption of the last few months is correct and that the Democrats will cede nothing, the partial-prediction may have already given Senator Kerry a platform from which to mount a protest or a contest, whether it’s justified or not.

Also shaping up as a controversy, the quality of the exit-polling— all of which looked disastrous for Bush from late afternoon onwards. What happened there will be heavily scrutinized, and the question will be raised, did it replace the quick-calling of 2000 as the area in which the media (and the campaigns) could replace fact with extrapolation.


• November 2, 2004 | 10:35 p.m. ET

It's 10 p.m., do you know where your spin is? (Keith Olbermann)

Secaucus — How right have we been tonight about the distress in the White House? The re-election campaign admitted a pool camera and still photographers to the residence to videotape images of Mr. Bush and his family sitting around stiffly on a couch, he in a white shirt and a tie, smiling towards the media and saying “I believe I will win. It’s going to be an exciting evening.”

Well, the night Titanic sank was an exciting evening.

The President’s men had begun whining about the exit polling and its interpretation since shortly after 7 PM tonight. Norah O’Donnell’s 9:50 EST report had referred to “anxiety” from Republicans out in the field, and perhaps the odd photo-op was designed as much to reassure them as to counter-effect the exit polling with which the White House so fervently disagreed.

Brian Williams offered the astute observation that the White House did need to influence photo and videotape selection. Mr. Bush had been captured with stern and/or exhausted looks on his face at yesterday’s pre-election events, and today’s voting - and that’s the last thing the campaign wanted to project. Hence, in Norah’s phrase, the decision to “put the President out.”

As I write here Mr. Bush is up by around 80 Electoral Votes, and just about that many from the promised land. But the Zogby forecast from 5:30 EST tonight — which ends with Senator Kerry getting at least 311 and the President no more than 227 —has performed flawlessly through the first 32 NBC state projections.

Zogby’s forecast will be sorely tested in the next few hours in Iowa, Michigan, Minnesota, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Washington, and Wisconsin - all of which he’s predicted for Kerry. And then, later—maybe much later— the big three: Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania, all of which Zogby thought were “trending” to Kerry. Interestingly, if Zogby’s model holds up in the smaller states, Kerry could lose Ohio and Pennsylvania and still gain the White House— providing he wins Florida.

• November 2, 2004 | 9:01 p.m. ET

Exit numbers meaning a Bush exit?

Secaucus — The exit polling is sometimes easy enough to read that even I can figure it out.

The NBC information released at 8:23 indicates numbers crushing for the president’s hopes of gaining significant votes based on the war in Iraq.

Only 12% of voters nationally agreed that things were “going well” in Iraq, and only another 32% said things were going “somewhat well” there. 55% were clearly negative, saying things were going “badly.”

More significantly perhaps, the President’s argument that the war in Iraq is a component of the war on terror, was only partially successful with voters. 52% of today’s voters, 45% said the two elements were separate.

Overall, the exit polls show voters evenly split about the wisdom to go into Iraq in the first place, 48-48.

And most strikingly, when asked if the action in Iraq improved our security or harmed it, only 43 percent said it had improved it - 54 percent felt otherwise.

No wonder Norah O’Donnell latest report refers to more grim faces inside the White House strategy and war rooms - what we liked to call the “interior numbers” would suggest that the fundaments of the President’s reelection strategy haven’t succeeded, and the Zogby forecast of a Kerry 100+ Electoral College vote looks ever-increasingly plausible.

And those “interior numbers” in Ohio fascinate.

The NBC exit polling there suggests the state saw 800,000 new voters — 13 percent of the entire electorate there — and they went 56-44 Kerry (58-41 Kerry among those under 30), with the only demographic group going for the President in Ohio being those 60 and over.

But Ohio still shows the closeness of the votes-in-hand.

As of 8:15 EST, out of the 40,367 absentee ballots cast in Franklin County — that’s Columbus, the President led Senator Kerry by exactly 267 of them. That’s not the case in Cuyahoga (Cleveland), where Kerry got nearly two out of every three absentees (49,816 to 27,770).

• November 2, 2004 | 7:34 p.m. ET

"Discouragement" at the White House (Keith Olbermann)

SECAUCUS — That’s the term used by NBC’s White House Correspondent David Gregory in his 7:05 PM report, describing the reaction of President Bush’s “top advisors” in a war room within the war room at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

David’s sources report a “tense” set of advisors, who have already determined an unwanted “tightness in the race,” not unlike what they saw in the waning days of the 2000 Gore-Bush vote.

Any time word leaks of an incumbent official’s top advisors being “discouraged” when only a handful of states have closed, you can interpret the verbal body language. They’ve seen it, it’s bad, and it’s likely to get worse - so maybe Friend Zogby’s 100-point electoral margin for Kerry is not so wildly broad as it may have first looked (two posts down).

The NBC News Exit Polling released at 7:23 EST continues to provide troubling numbers for the incumbent:

50% of today’s voters say the country is on the wrong track; 47% say it’s going in the right direction.
The first numbers on Mr. Bush’s job approval are razor tight: 51% positive, 47% negative.
The partisanship within those numbers is extraordinary: 92% of Republicans give the President approval; 84% of Democrats disapprove.
On the Senatorial level, only one of the races thus far called affects the swing: the Republicans taking the open seat in Georgia. The good news for the GOP is that Congressman Johnny Isakson is projected to beat the Democratic Congresswoman Denise Majette. The bad news is, the seat belonged to Zell Miller, so it’s a numerical loss for the Democrats but not much of a political one.

North Carolina is evidently close enough that Democratic VP nominee John Edwards actually held his plane on the tarmac in Orlando so he could call in to African-American radio stations in North Carolina to push the candidacy of former Clinton Chief of Staff Erskine Bowles over Republican Congressman Richard Burr.

• November 2, 2004 | 6:46 p.m. ET

Notes from the balance of power desk (Keith Olbermann)

SECAUCUS— Which, you may be as delighted to read as I was to see, was still being constructed — plastic flats being stapled into place — even as Chris Matthews was signing on from Democracy Plaza.

The tone of Norah O’Donnell’s first report from the White House suggested that whatever the Re-Election Campaign is reading in the way of exit polls, they must be similar to the 5:30 ET final Zogby tracking numbers which forecast a Kerry landslide by as many as 100 Electoral Votes (while giving Mr. Bush an absolutely useless popular majority of 3/10ths of one percent). Norah reported the President and his supporters putting on positive but somewhat forced faces.

If they read those Zogby numbers, we know why (I summarized Zogby’s findings in the previous post — scroll down).

And if they heard the first set of nationwide exit polling released by NBC a little after 6 PM, the White House can’t be very hopeful:

54% thought the economy was “not good”; only 45% “good.”
46% thought they were worse off today than they were in 2000; only 21% said they were better off;
Only 52% said they thought we were safer from the threat of terrorism now than before; 43% thought we were less safe.
And while 53% said they were somewhat worried about another terrorist attack, just 22% described themselves as “very” worried, a comparatively small percentage.
The last two numbers can be interpreted in favor of either candidate (although it seems like more mental gymnastics would be required to spin them in Mr. Bush’s favor). Those first two — I don’t think so.

All of which brings us to what might be a very unpleasant Election Night party in the Ronald Reagan Building in Washington— the President’s soiree.

The Washington Post reported this morning that reporters are only being admitted to the grounds if they pay $300 - $500 if they want food.

That doesn’t even get them inside.

The ticket cost got the journalist a two foot by three foot work space, and a chair (padded), in a tent near the party itself, plus the right to watch the party on closed-circuit television.

Periodically, small groups of reporters will be escorted into the building atrium to gather “color” —what it looks like— but they won’t be permitted to talk to guests (although a twenty might get you a quote if you ask the right person).

Question: If there’s no Bush party tonight, do the reporters get their money back?

• November 2, 2004 | 5:51 p.m. ET

Redskin rule and Carter corollary (Keith Olbermann)

Secaucus — John Zogby’s polling was generally considered the most accurate during the crazed 2000 election, and if he maintains that measure of reliability, you can go to sleep now.

Zogby’s final tracking poll, state by state, released at 5:30 EST, suggests the prospect of a Kerry win by a margin of 311 Electoral Votes to 213, with only Colorado and Nevada too close to call (and representing just fourteen votes between them).

Oh and by the way, he has Mr. Bush winning the popular vote, narrowly— an irony of biblical proportions that one Democratic pollster rated a one-in-three chance just last week.

It should be noted Zogby is doing a lot of extrapolating. In the two from Column A (Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania), two from Column B (Iowa, Minnesota, Wisconsin) states, he gives them all to Kerry. But Florida, Ohio, and Pennsylvania are listed as “trending Kerry” based on exit polling. The smaller three states show Kerry up by 5-6%.

If he’s right, it upholds both the Redskin Rule (a bloody football team would be 18-0 predicting who gets to run the country) and the Carter Corollary (no incumbent is reelected nor defeated narrowly).

A lot of people remaining uncertain that he’s right.

• November 2, 2004 | 5:15 p.m. ET

Why is red red, and blue blue? (Keith Olbermann)

SECAUCUS— So in the most ambiguously colored of the states, Florida, the Kerry Campaign reported within the hour that voting has been "very smooth." The spokesman, Matthew Miller, says the campaign has received word of less than 20 voter challenges and only about 1,000 provisional ballots being issued. The Bush campaign agrees on those rough figures and everybody seems stunned by the smoothness, though there was one confirmed case of that Internet animation gag coming true. You probably got it in an e-mail: a guy trying to vote for Kerry on one of the touch-screens, and various "are you sure you don't mean Bush" messages appearing instead. It apparently happened to one voter in Pinellas County, where she needed six tries to get "Bush" from popping up, even after she repeatedly hit "Kerry."

In an ominous sign for those of you who want the Red/Blue election decision and Christmas to coincide, however, they cleared it up.

Which reminds me: where the hell did this Red/Blue stuff come from, anyway?

If you happen to pull down your VHS copy of NBC’s coverage of the 1976 Election (what? You didn’t roll tape? Regretting that now, aren’t you?) you’ll see David Brinkley and Tom Brokaw and John Chancellor referring to a huge map not very much dissimilar from the ones we’re showing tonight on MSNBC. It’s full of Red States and Blue States.

The Blue States, obviously, belong to then-President Gerald Ford, the Republican.

The Red States, naturally, belong to his challenger, Jimmy Carter, the Democrat.

Huh?

The newspaper The Bergen Record noted this curious historical fact in an article a few weeks ago which tried to trace our now standardized, clichéd representation of this nation as Red Nation and Blue Nation. Turns out the standardization is a pretty damn recent thing— 2000, in fact.

As late as 1980 on ABC, Red was for the Democrats, Blue for the Republicans (and white for the not-yet-called states). So there’s your color scheme: Red, White, and Blue.

So the Red and the Blue have no more historical status than four years’ worth. And in the big picture, they are interchangeable— the Washington Post not only noted today that its color maps of the election were Red/Democrat, Blue/Republican as late as 2000, but that the first reversal appears to have occured on MSNBC just a week before the 2000 vote.

They thus fall into that category filled with similar contradictions and reversals. When the National Hockey League was divided into two divisions, American and Canadian, a now-defunct team called the New York Americans played, incongruously, in the Canadian Division. And for years, the official name of the American League baseball team in the capital was “The Washington Nationals.”

One further historical curiosity missed by The Record and others researching the Red/Blue phenomenon. Before World War II, when there were only about five national radio networks, NBC owned not just one, but two of them. They were each identified as NBC, with the only differentiation being that the one originally owned by RCA was called the NBC Blue Network, and the one purchased by RCA from AT&T was called the NBC Red Network. The government later forced RCA to sell one of the networks (Blue) to the man behind Life Savers candy - he re-named it ABC in 1946.

Two closing personal notes. Not to encourage you to do this, but if you happen to catch the CNN shot from the new Time-Warner Center in New York (they used it during Crossfire), you can see my house on the right. I opted not to hang out a “CNN *****” sign on my balcony.

And it was very entertaining to see on the “Citizen Journalists” page here a shot of a college freshman— Danny David— proudly holding his absentee ballot, one of which was provided last June to each member of his high school graduating class.

Turns out the high school is in Hastings-On-Hudson, New York— my hometown.


• November 2, 2004 | 1:34 p.m. ET

Gore's Law and the Redskin Rule (Keith Olbermann)

NEW YORK - Somebody’s Law (we don’t know whose; fittingly, he forgot to name it after himself) tells us that if we ignore a prospective logistical disaster, it’ll promptly occur, but if we’re fully prepared for it, especially if we’ve spent large sums of money in the preparation, it won’t happen.

Perhaps we can name the law after Al Gore. Or pick a television executive. For, clearly, the election four years ago was a confluence of everything the media and the politicians had ignored: the failure of exit polling, the naked partisanship of judges and state officials, the haste of tv newsrooms, the premature jocularity of the candidates themselves.

Well, we have so many counterweights in place this year - from the daily e-mails reminding us tv types that we don’t get a bonus for “extrapolating” data (i.e., making stuff up), to nearly every analyst predicting a late night or a late morning or a late autumn decision, to the roaming packs of election attorneys foraging across the countryside like those cloned Homer Simpsons in the Halloween episode a few years back, to the voters who apparently this morning followed the old joke: Vote Early, Vote Often.

With that much preparation, Gore’s Law insists - nothing will happen.

The President and Senator Kerry haven’t agreed on much, but they both insisted the election would be decided tonight, not next month. We had two Secretaries of Commerce on Countdown last night, Don Evans and Mickey Kantor, and they said the election would be decided tonight (although when Evans asked one question I asked each of them - if you had a choice of seeing your opponent win, or having the process dragged out as badly or worse than it was in 2000, which would you choose - Evans said the country survived the 2000 process quite nicely, thus scaring the shinola out of me).

So, if Gore’s Law predicts a decision tonight, what are the augurs about who?

— On the ground at mid-day, we have the Miami Herald’s reports of the voting going surprisingly quickly and smoothly in Florida (sure it is: those touch-pad machines are actually just modified Speak & Spell toys for children - the votes aren’t being recorded at all). Craig Crawford said last night that the early exit polling from Florida saw heavy Democratic voting, which surprised both of us, and when Secretary Evans reported that his party would have the greatest get-out-the-vote-effort in history, John Harwood of The Wall Street Journal said “they’d better” because if they don’t, the Democrats will.

— We have the late ruling of the Ohio Appeals Court, voting 2-1 along party lines to let the Republican Piranha Lawyers back in to the polling places to challenge anybody named Dick Tracy or Mary Poppins who shows up, having been enrolled by the guy who claims he got paid in crack cocaine. Does anybody besides me find that entire story just too perfect to be true?

— We have the last set of pre-voting numbers from Zogby. It’s kind of close. As of 5 PM yesterday he has Bush at 252 Electoral Votes and Kerry at 252, with only Pennsylvania (21 votes) and Virginia (14 votes) outstanding - and each state tied. That bodes poorly for Gore’s Law - although I have no idea if Zogby has yet applied the Carter Corollary that he himself pushed so hard once Kerry had sealed the Democratic nomination, namely that the undecideds always break against the incumbent.

The top supporting evidence for Gore’s Law is of course Sunday’s application of The Redskin Rule. I wrote it about it here at (probably too great) length, and then the Kerry-Edwards campaign got it wrong while boasting it. In short, in the 17 elections since the football team became the Redskins, its last home game before the vote has presaged the presidential outcome. Redskins win, and the incumbent party retains the White House; Redskins lose, and the challengers take over. The Redskins lost on Sunday, 28-14, to the Green Bay Packers in a game that even came complete with a rallying Washington touchdown called back due to a penalty flag thrown by Celebrity Referee Antonin Scalia.

You know, that joke killed at Democracy Plaza on Sunday.

Immediately after the Green Bay victory, somebody in the Kerry-Edwards camp issued an overwrought news release, complete with an overwrought quote attributed to the candidate, claiming that the streak dated back to Herbert Hoover and Herbert Hoover lost all those jobs and so did George Bush and Herbert Hoover then lost his job and so will George Bush.

Down, Sparky!

The Redskin Rule dates back not to 1932 (Hoover) but 1936 (Alf Landon). In 1932, the franchise, then still called The Boston Football Braves, actually won its last home game, against The Staten Island Stapletons (yes, Staten Island had an NFL team), which should have predicted Hoover retaining the White House, not losing it.

I do all this research about this thus-far infallible forecaster and you guys don’t bother to read it?

Anyway, the Redskin Rule says nothing about margin of victory, length of election, or the beneficiary understanding it and not keeping his big bazoo closed long enough to avoid possibly jinxing it. So, if it doesn’t work this time, John Kerry has nobody to blamebut himself.

Got something to say? E-mail me at KOlbermann@msnbc.com

• October 31, 2004 | 9:47 a.m. ET

Of Rehearals and Reelections (Keith Olbermann)

NEW YORK - After six months telling us that Tuesday is going to be tighter than Britney Spears’ pants, the murmurs from the cognoscenti during our MSNBC election rehearsal last night reflected a much older conventional wisdom: that incumbents never have tight elections, win or lose.

The bigger-margin-than-we-thought talk was not the result of the rehearsal. For the pure purposes of practicing, elaborate story lines are created (for the paranoid of both parties, it’s your worst fear come true: the same people who’ll bring you the election results are making stuff up on-camera). But even these were relatively balanced from a smorgasboard of scenarios: a big Kerry win, a big Bush win, lines of thousands waiting to vote and polling hours extended in a swing state, early reports of voters being blocked from the polling places - all that good juicy political science fiction stuff that, if we had been thinking, we should have recorded, edited down, and sold as a DVD.

No, the “somebody by 30 Electoral votes” talk was history itself speaking: the Clinton and Reagan second-term victories, the Bush 41 and especially the Carter defeats. Carter’s was invoked because on the Friday before it, the 1980 election looked as tight as, well, to adjust the cultural reference, Cher’s pants, yet Reagan wound up walking away on Tuesday. The theory goes that by now, the electorate has pretty much made its mind up on the incumbent: they either want him back or they don’t.

The benefit of the large-margin doubt talk seemed to be mostly in the President’s favor, and I have to assume that has to do with the Osama Bin Laden tape from Friday. I follow the logic - there is a significant tide of terror anxiety prevalent among the proverbial Soccer Moms (that’s why otherwise Democratic-controlled New Jersey is believed to be in play).

But I guess what I don’t follow is the logic of the Soccer Moms.

I saw or read nearly the entirety of the Bin Laden tape and it’s the damnedest one yet. I can’t understand how it could be viewed as being beneficial to Mr. Bush. On a fundamental level, it’s clearly recently-recorded - the Ramadan reference suggests maybe as late as a week ago - and he’s clearly alive and healthy. I can’t imagine that among the Soccer Moms and the others dismissing all other issues to focus their vote solely on the terror threat, that one of the other primal reactions in their synapses wouldn’t be “Umm, how come we haven’t caught him yet? Who’s in charge of that?”

And to anybody who listened to the madman’s comments had to feel perversely liberated. Unless the tape was an elaborate, subtle feint to suddenly get this country to let it’s guard down (a very poor bet, to say nothing of exhibiting nuanced psychological planning in which the terrorists have shown no prior interest whatsoever) - Al-Qaeda’s sole intervention in this election will have turned out to be its head gangster to announcing that it didn’t really matter to him who anybody voted for, because the re-election of Bush or the election of Kerry wasn’t going to impact how Al-Qaeda wants to impact us.

This has to, in some minds anyway, have reduced the apocalyptic anticipations which the Bush-Cheney campaign has repeatedly invoked. Bin Laden may not be one for subtle actions, but it can’t have been accidental that he appeared without his trademark sub-machine gun. It’s not like he forgot it back in the cave. Don’t get me wrong on this: I’m not buying his explanations nor his posture as a borderline-sane geo-politician. But those intentions were clear. That was a policy speech. In his lunacy, he probably thought it was statesmanship.

I may be wildly wrong about its impact in the days before this election. It may very well be that the It-Helps-Bush crowd is right, that the knee jerk reaction will certify the re-election: There’s Osama, Better Keep Bush. Back in my sports days when people asked me for a prediction on a game I used to be smart enough to invoke the great sportscaster Red Barber’s standard reply: If I knew in advance who’d win, they wouldn’t have to bother playing the game, would they?

But I’m covering news now, therefore I am dumber.

And I think the political analysts have forgotten to examine the psychology of an electorate under the stress of war and fear. For the longest time, even when Mr. Bush’s approval ratings were at their apex in the post-Afghanistan and immediate post-Saddam periods, I kept wondering if he wouldn’t fall victim to the Winston Churchill effect.

Mid-20th Century British politics aren’t taught much in American schools any more, but it has fascinated me always that in the spring of 1945, with Hitler dead, England’s gamble to fight the Nazis having been vindicated, and his own gallantry and leadership acclaimed universally, that the British promptly voted Churchill out of office in favor of a first-time Prime Minister in Clement Attlee. It astonished Churchill, and British pollsters, and world leaders in general.

There were many factors - the country clamored for universal health care (sound familiar?) and Churchill loathed the concept. But I always wished someone had conducted an exit poll, not with statisticians or political volunteers, but with psychologists. I continue to wonder if the British voters, in the brief quietude of their voting booths, hadn’t looked at Churchill’s name and seen not just victory, but also death and destruction and most of all anxiety, and if they hadn’t said “Thanks for getting us through that, Buddy. We’d like to forget that now. Bye bye.”

What will sound more loudly in the psyches of more voters on Tuesday? The idea that terrorists are still an extraordinary threat, or the idea that George Bush’s presidency, whether through his fault or merely by the circumstances of history, has been a time of stress and death and war and falling skyscrapers and terror color codes - things we may or may not be personally able to alter or impact in any way - but which we really wish would just go away.

When offered an incumbent for a second term, a country has always tended to decide not just on a man, but also on an era. I’ve wondered for two years if the Americans of our time would choose - rightly or wrongly, thoughtfully or naively - to ask Mr. Bush to go away, and take the years 2001-2004 with him.

The history of the large margins for or against an incumbent with which I started these meanderings, and which we’ll address in a special Sunday edition of Countdown tonight, includes FDR and Abraham Lincoln. It’s a shocking fact to look at the 1944 vote, in the midst of a World War the necessity and conduct of which few had any doubts, and see that Roosevelt gained a fourth term by only 53-46 over Thomas E. Dewey.

And as to our greatest war-time leader, the history books show Lincoln having handled General George McLellan pretty easily in 1864, 55-45. Less easily remembered is that as late as that August, Lincoln was certain he wouldn’t be returned to office, his greatest media ally Horace Greeley wrote of how the nation begged for peace at any price, and that leaders in his own party were calculating if there was still time to nominate another candidate.

People wanted it to all go away.

And then Sherman captured Atlanta.

The videotape may remind voters, perhaps in a deeply subconscious way, that Mr. Bush has not made Osama Bin Laden go away, and there doesn’t seem to be an Atlanta on the schedule between now and Tuesday night.

Thoughts? email me at KOlbermann@msnbc.com

• October 29, 2004| 11:13 a.m. ET

Election to be decided Sunday (Keith Olbermann)

New York— Well, so much for saving the Bill O’Reilly tapes. We got up to about $175,000 in your pledges (excuse me for a 1970ism, but how far out is that?) but we couldn’t top Bill O’Reilly, who may have paid a year’s salary ($2M-$10M, says The New York Daily News) to keep the tapes from showing up at Tower Records. We’ll have to settle for those lovely transcripts and the knowledge that you can never get all the toothpaste back in the tube, nor all the soap out of the loofah.

We now rejoin the election, already in progress.

And, as teased here these last two days, we might be told Tuesday night or Wednesday morning, or not until January 15th, but, if history holds, we will know by around 4 p.m. EST Sunday who will be president next year. There are many irrelevant indicators out there on which to hang a forecast (the NASCAR dads, the stock market, Robert Novak), but to my knowledge only one logical fallacy has stood the test of time. So here goes.

By definition, the logical fallacy, of course is simply this: Event A occurs. Then Event B occurs. Therefore, Event A caused Event B. Obviously, it’s simply not true. Nonetheless, when the presidential election is this close, we look for anything and everything that might predict the outcome— whether common-sense or logically fallacious.

And as logical fallacies go, we are privileged to have a doozy, one that seems to have correctly predicted the last seventeen Presidential Elections.

Terror? The economy? The incumbent’s final rating in the Gallup poll? Turnout in Ohio?

Nope.

It’s the Washington Redskins.

The football team with the politically incorrect name has been anything but incorrect in presaging which party will win the White House. The franchise began its life in Boston in 1932, when George Preston Marshall bought a dormant team that had gone belly-up in Newark. Originally named after the baseball team in town— the Braves— they were re-christened the Redskins in 1933, and thus it would not be until November 1st, 1936, that the ‘Skins played their first game during an election season.

In their last game home before the vote, the Boston Redskins beat the Chicago Cardinals 13 to 10. And two days later, Franklin Roosevelt was reelected president. By the time FDR ran again in 1940, Marshall had moved the Redskins to Griffith Stadium in Washington. And, again, in their last home game before that election, the Redskins beat Pittsburgh 37-10, and Roosevelt was returned to office.

On November 5th, 1944, it was Cleveland at Washington. Redskins won 14-10. Two days later, Roosevelt was re-re-reelected. And four years later, they repeated the trick, preceding Harry Truman’s unexpected holding of the White House for the Democrats. The Redskins were now 4-0 in their “election day games”— and so were the Democrats.

But on November 2nd, 1952, the Redskins, in their last home game before the vote, lost to the Pittsburgh Steelers 24-23. And days later, Democrat Adlai Stevenson lost the presidency to Dwight Eisenhower. In '56, it was a pre-election home victory for Washington, and a re-election for Ike.

And in 1960, the tanking Redskins were clobbered in that last home game before the vote, by Cleveland, by 21 points. Nine days later, it was John F. Kennedy over Richard Nixon, by about 21 votes. And by now, the pattern had emerged. If the Redskins won their final home game before a presidential election, the incumbent party kept the White House. If the Redskins lost that game, so did the party in power.

And this, remarkably, has held up:

1964: Skins 27, Bears 20. Lyndon Johnson retains the office.

1968: Washington loses the last home game before the vote, to the New York Giants. The Democrats fall out of power, in favor of Richard Nixon

1972: Skins win; so does Nixon.

1976: Washington loses to Dallas; Republican Gerald Ford loses to Democrat Jimmy Carter.

1980: They lose again; Carter loses to Republican Ronald Reagan.

1984: Washington wins, Reagan wins again.

1988: Washington wins, George W. Bush wins.

1992: Washington loses to the Giants 24 to 7, and the incumbent party is bounced again: Bush out, Clinton in.

1996: Clinton's re-election is foretold: the Redskins win their final home game before the vote, against Indianapolis.

Going into the Bush-Gore race of 2000, the outcome of Washington's last home game before the election had coincided perfectly for 16 consecutive games, and 16 consecutive elections: 10 Redskins wins, each of which is followed by the incumbent president and/or party retaining the office, and six Redskins losses, each of which is followed by the incumbent president and/or party losing the office.

On October 30th, 2000, the Washington Redskins, with, to that point, 6 victories and 2 losses, hosted the Tennessee Titans, who had 6 victories and 1 loss. In betting circles it was a virtual toss-up, with a slight edge to Washington because it was playing at home. The Redskins scored first and led 7-0, giving an early hint that the Democrats would retain the White House. But Tennessee rallied to go in front 20-7, and hold on for a 27-21 win. It’s a six-point victory, and, six weeks later, a five-electoral-vote victory for George W. Bush— of the party that had been out of office, the Republicans.

Now it would be really spooky if those 17 games had all surprises, upsets as they call them. I was disappointed to find, after having gone back and calculated won-lost records and intangibles, that, in fact, all but three times the Redskins were favored to win and did, or they were expected to lose and did. Then again, how many elections in that same span have really been upsets? Truman, anecdotally if not truly; maybe Reagan over Carter, probably Bush over Gore— and no, the Redskins’ game upsets do not perfectly coincide with the election upsets.

Still, it's some streak. The Redskins have played home games before 17 Presidential Elections, and only 17 Presidential Elections, and their results have easily and without qualification forecast the outcomes of all 17.

And now for the 64-billion dollar question. When is/was the Redskins’ last game before this year's election? The one in which the prophecy says, if they win, George Bush is re-elected, and, if they lose, John Kerry takes office? It’s Sunday, against the Green Bay Packers, who’ve won two in a row. Who play in Lambeau Field— which Senator Kerry infamously misidentified earlier in the campaign as Lambert Field. The Redskins, meanwhile, have already suffered a four-game losing streak and found that the return of Coach Joe Gibbs (himself a NASCAR owner and presumably a NASCAR dad) has not been the panacea Washington sports fans always expect as if it was an unfunded federal mandate.

Oddsmakers favor Green Bay by two or two-and-a-half points, which, as any politician— or football gambler— can tell you, is well inside the margin of error.

But this is an ironclad sports tradition:

Skins win, incumbents stay in;

Skins lose, incumbents are old news.

An ironclad sports tradition, just like the fact that in 122 years of post-season competition, no baseball team has ever come back from down three-nothing to win a playoff series.

Oh, wait— didn’t somebody just do that?


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Mirandee....*sigh*

I sure hope you can generate some enthusiasm here....

Myself, I think you'd have better luck were you to run into a graveyard letting the resting souls there know...

Good luck anyway, hon...

Love,
Rainbow

Ps...don't mean to put a damper on YOUR enthusiasm....you just keep truckin'....you just might fire up some interest by people who really care about honest elections...

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Well at least we are on the ball, Rainbow.

I know the group here was talking about it at first. Maybe they just got their hopes dampened by the spin of the corporate owned media and the Democratic Party's continuing to say it was a fair election. However, we must remember unless they have absolute, concrete proof, the Democratic Natioal Committee is not going to yell foul. Because if there turns out to be no foul that makes the party look bad and is not good for future campaigns. It's protecting the party image they are concerned with and we can't blame them for that.

Sometimes it happens, as is the case now, when we cannot rely on our Congress or anyone else, we the American people have to stand up and fight for democracy. If we don't do that it will be taken away from us.

The truth is that our Congress betrayed the American people after 9/11 because they were more worried about being called unpatriotic and about their political careers than they were democracy. They gave Bush more power than any U.S. president has ever had. He has continued to want more. The three branches of government were established to protect the American people from one man having that much power. But they all laid down on the job. They let the American people down. Because of that democracy is at risk from a take over by the Religious Right who intend to establish a Theocracy in this country. Check out the CNP- Council for National Policy web site. Also check this out: Falwell and his Coalition

Sometimes it is up to us to decide if we are just going to sit by and let it all slip away when our country is threatened from within, or we stand up and fight for democracy. The choice is ours to make. It's up to us to get an investigation going for our own sake in future elections. Even if Bush did win fair and square, we need to clean up the voting system in this country or voters will lose confidence. Whatever happens we need to question, we need to ask and we need to do all we can individually and as a group. All we are asking right now is an investigation into the irregularites that have come to our attention. We have a right as Americans and voters to do that. Who cares what the other side says. If the shoe was on the other foot they would be whining louder than anyone. We all know that.

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Mirandee....I'm behind you all the way!

Go! Go! Go!

Sis boom bah!

Rah! Rah! Rah!

Love ya, Mirandee

Once again, a more hopeful....
Rainbow

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Mirandee and Rainbow~ Dears, I haven't been posting often here lately but I'm behind Kerry, justice, the TRUTH and both of you all the way.
Because I am in the media for my job, I have been paying close attention to all of this outside of Lindaland for a bit now.
THANK YOU !!
KarenSD

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~~k*A*R*E*N~~S*D~~

Love,
Rainbow

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Ladies........or, it could be gentleman, perhaps........


You received no reaction from me, because the political discourse on this board turns my stomach.

I have been onto this matter since Election Day. It appears that you are hitting the same sites I have been on...

buzzflash.com moveon.org blackboxvoting..

also, have you been on ...?

whatreallyhappened.com (this site is incredible)

rense.com (kind of "out there" at times)

bushwatch.com

guerilla news network


I have expected this kind of election outcome since the Electronic Voting Act of 2000 was passed post-haste by the Bush Administration. This was planned long ago. When it was promised a year ago that "Ohio's votes will be delivered to George Bush in 2004" you kind of give up hope that the voice of the people will even be heard.

We all know the truth, don't we?

The ruling party just got better at covering the bases, so to speak.

Funny, isnt it.... that every state that still used paper ballots either
A) went to Kerry
B) consistently followed the results of the exit polls

Just fascinating, eh?

They made sure to rig the election just so.. 50 + 1% ..so that an automatic recount would NOT be triggered. Slick.

They also made damn sure that Bush won the popular AND electoral votes.

With Ohio. Amazing.

I tried to bring the attention to the Diebold machines many many times. Not enough people cared. Or took the time to care.

The rage I feel about the state of America - and American values - is almost crippling.

Listening (reading) the ignorance, the pettiness, the blind disregard for humanity and tolerance ... especially, shockingly! on THIS BOARD of all places, not to mention the rest of the media...makes me sick to be member of the human race.

Throwing out statements "There is only one TRUTH....and its Bush" merely to incite and flame forces me to accept the conclusion-

This is meant to happen.

I want to fight the good fight and keep myself informed and talk to people but the cosmic ball is rolling, so to speak.

Its all cycles. This here is a trough to balance out the crest.

If the world has to be pushed into global warfare by a fascist shadow government..if the boil has to explode, in order to heal...so be it.

I would love to entertain a lively debate with you all on this. I have got more facts shoved into this brain, between what I read on the net, the newspapers, my history studies and whatnot than I know what to do with.

But talk isnt going to do anything.


Thank you for bringing this to the attention of the site. Keep yourself informed.


MK

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posted November 12, 2004 12:43 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thanks Karen

Please copy the petition and pass it on to everyone you know!

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Mother Konfessor.....thank you!

There IS breathing life out there!

When you said:

quote:
You received no reaction from me, because the political discourse on this board turns my stomach.

I could really relate...I was here awhile back...but got out when I "couldn't take the heat.".....I came back when I saw Mirandee here and how she really stands up for what she believes and stands up to those who try their itimidation tatics on her.........Oh BTW....we're both ladies....(gramma ladies even, you might say )

Thanks for the links, MK.....and thanks for the input....oh yes, thanks for the imput!!!.

It's nice to realize that there are other "in the know" (IMO) people out there....

Love,
Rainbow

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No MK talk is not going to do it alone. That is why I put the petition. Don't give up. Sign it and lets get an investigation going that will rid us of those electronic voting machines. Let our Reps know we do not have confidence in the voting process as long as they are permitted.

The sick feeling that you feel and the anger at what is happening to America is shared by many of us - about half of us. So it's up to our half to work towards changing that. It is Bush who caused all of this and the Religious Right. They have to go. We have to do our part.

Don't give up the faith, MK. We need you on our team. I despair at times too. But it's my country damn it and I am not letting slime ruin it and tear it down. Not as long as I have a breath left in my body because I don't want this crap for my grand kids when they grow up.

Awww thanks, Rainbow. I love you. You're the best!

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Ladies, my friends, do i dare say...

I am going to start this with what may be a huge assumption about your ages... not to point out something as silly as a "generation gap" but more towards the idea of life experience.

I want to do this without suggestion numbers... after all, one never asks a lady her age, correct? LOL

Do you both have the enviable experience of formative years when a person could- and did-have faith in the government?

Maybe, maybe not.

The civil movements of the 60s definitely would be part of your personal history, I would guess?

All i can see is a government that learned from those movements how to control a poplace. A structure was created to systematically dismantle the freedoms of the American poplace, slowly, so we didnt notice.

All because of money..the Corporation..greed.

This has been building to a head for a long time coming. The "War on Terrorism" is no more real nor "winnable"
(how can you fight a war against a concept?)
than the Cold War.

This is a cycle of history. Dont worry, I am not giving up. But I have accepted the inevitable. I will be living in the same world with your grandkids. I dont want to see it get worse. My intuition says that its going to have to get worse before it gets better.

Consider it a purging.

MK

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Have you seen this??


Good News From Bev Harris
This is amazing and very hopeful! Bev Harris http://www.blackboxvoting.org and Ralph Nader had a press conference in DC today. They have teamed up with http://www.ballotintegrity.org/ and have set up a 527 special fund http://helpamericarecount.org/ to buy recounts. They worked with Bev Harris's lawyer who is an election specialist attorney. They have found a little used law that allows a recount if it's requested by five citizens who voted in that state and did not vote for the candidate who won. The state wants a down payment of ten dollars a precinct, so they need money fast!

Send to the fund http://helpamericarecount.org/ All the funds are for recounts and will be prioritized by the most suspicious counties first. It will be about $200,000 to recount Ohio, which is the first target because it has very provable anomolies that show massive fraud- Bev says, "Very strange and impossible math"; then Florida.

If you go to http://helpamericarecount.org/ or www.blackboxvoting.org and can't get there, it's because their website keeps getting shut down and they keep having to put it back up. They are going to have to switch to a specialist host; a company who specializes in protecting websites that are under attack constantly. So if you can't get there, keep trying.

Also, there is a woman who has, on her own, filed for a recount in Nevada, using the same law.

And, Ralph Nader is going to pay for a recount in New Hampshire to audit the Diebold machines there.

About the Help America Recount Fund from their website:
http://helpamericarecount.org/


Nifty, eh??


MK

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Thanks so much for the new info, MK

I made my contribution. If we all just gave what we can it would add up. It did for Kerry's campaign.

Don't want to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but then again any conspiracy in this government now is believable , I think that government hackers are shutting down the blackbox site.

As for what you asked regarding age, I am 50ish, or over the top and half way down the other side. But don't mind cause I look a lot younger than my age. Always did. Just got lucky, both parents always looked younger than their age.

Yes, I remember a time when government was better. Or maybe just because I was young and didn't pay all that much attention to government it just seemed better. I was a young teen when JFK was elected and assassinated. I experienced the grief over Martin Luther King Jr.'s assassination. I loved Bobby Kennedy and was just devastated when he was assassinated. I was married and had two kids when that happened.It seemed at the time I recall that the whole world had gone completely crazy. It's bound to knock you off your bearings when you experience so many assassinations of good men. I became involved in politics and social issues in my early 20's with the civil rights movement. I had babies so couldn't go to Selma but did what I could in the Detroit area. I became involved in the Vietnam War protests after a very close childhood friend was killed in Vietnam.

Dwight D. Eisenhower warned about the military industrial complex and the dangers of the government "marrying" up with it. We have seen through the years what he meant by that. His warning was not heeded. Corporations are pretty much running not only this country but the world. And they are constantly wanting more power. Presidents have always wanted more power.

The objective of corporations and government is to keep a certain segment of society poor. Poor people don't have too many options so they are easier to control. Really it depends on who we elect. I believe there are many good men still in our government who truly believe in serving the American people. It depends on who we elect. Good men will seek peace in the world and prosperity in America for all. They will seek equal rights for all and everything that America has always been based on. Evil men will disguise themselves as good and seek power and control over the people. They will be corrupt and when our government is corrupt and seeking only to make more money for those in leadership and their corporate allies the people will suffer, our planet will suffer.

The complacentcy and apathy of the American people and our own greed has brought us to where we are today. Men who seek power and control rely on apathy of voters and the public. Pat Robinson has publically stated that the Religious Right can gain more power in government by relying on apathy of the voters. Another sign of a corrupt government is secretcy and we see that in Bush's administration. Because only a small few corporations control our media we only hear what the government and corporations supporting that government want us to hear. Democracy has been slipping away for some time now due to our complacentcy. We have to take back America. I think that rather or not we are aware of it we are in the beginning of a revolution.

I am not talking about taking over the government by force. I am talking about cleaning it up. We have the best system of government in the world. It has just gotten too corrupt. Democrat and Republican. We need to get rid of lobbyists in Wash. D.C. We need an election reform and get rid of the electoral college.

This is a government of the people, by the people and for the people. Our Constitution is unique in all the free world that way. The only thing that stands between us and a dictatorship taking over our country is that Constitution. We had better protect it with our life. We elect these people in government to represent us. When they aren't doing their job we need to let them know that. Since our vote is what they depend on, we, in numbers have the power. United we stand, divided we fall. That is why the Bush administration and the Religious Right have worked so hard at dividing us and keeping us divided. Long as we are divided they have the power. If we unite their power is gone. We also need to get the corporations out of government and any religious organization that would use government and legislation as a means of gaining power and control. That is precisely what is happening now. And that is why, regardless of the way the Religious Right attempt to distort the facts, our Constitution provided in it an article of separation of church and state. Thomas Jefferson was not, as Pat Robinson says, just sending a thank you note to the Danbury Baptist Association when he very clearly stated " I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of separation between church and state."

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I think these are valid questions and worth looking into.

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I'm going to copy your post with the contribution request and pass it around, MK

If they can prove there was fruad in Ohio then the government should pick up the tab for the rest of the states.

Actually if they prove there was fraud and Kerry actually won Ohio, not only is he our new President, but Bush would become the first president in history ever to be impeached before his inauguration for the second term.

I like Bev Harris, she is fiesty. If it all goes down like I just said Bev will make the history books too. If not and Bush actually won all those red states then at least we know for sure so there is no real loss here all around. It's a win, win deal for both sides.

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I'm back was reading my email and we made The New York Times today. They devoted two whole pages to us.

I notice how fast all the election officials are to come out and dispel it all as rumors and "hearsay." But then why are they getting all these Phd. guys to come out and dispel it too? We have election officials "frustrated" the article says. Oh, like we weren't with all the mess ups.

We have a new name, "Votergate."

The election official in Columbus, Ohio didn't know the recount is coming his way when he said this:

quote:
It becomes a snowball of hearsay," said Matthew Damschroder, the director of elections in Columbus, Ohio, where an electronic voting machine malfunctioned in one precinct and allotted some 4,000 votes to President Bush, kicking off its own flurry of Web speculation. That particular problem was unusual and remains unexplained, but it was caught and corrected, Mr. Damschroder said.

Here's the Times article they can pooh pooh it all they want doesn't mean we are going to give up. Looks like we have them rattled cause there are so many of us bloggers on the net doing this. News has reached Kerry but he is downplaying it. Understandable.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/12/politics/12theory.html?pagewanted=1&th&oref=login

By TOM ZELLER Jr.

Published: November 12, 2004


The e-mail messages and Web postings had all the twitchy cloak-and-dagger thrust of a Hollywood blockbuster. "Evidence mounts that the vote may have been hacked," trumpeted a headline on the Web site CommonDreams.org. "Fraud took place in the 2004 election through electronic voting machines," declared BlackBoxVoting.org.

In the space of seven days, an online market of dark ideas surrounding last week's presidential election took root and multiplied.

But while the widely read universe of Web logs was often blamed for the swift propagation of faulty analyses, the blogosphere, as it has come to be known, spread the rumors so fast that experts were soon able to debunk them, rather than allowing them to linger and feed conspiracy theories. Within days of the first rumors of a stolen election, in fact, the most popular theories were being proved wrong - though many were still reluctant to let them go.

Much of the controversy, called Votergate 2004 by some, involved real voting anomalies in Florida and Ohio, the two states on which victory hinged. But ground zero in the online rumor mill, it seems, was Utah.

"I love the process of democracy, and I think it's more important than the outcome," said Kathy Dopp, an Internet enthusiast living near Salt Lake City. It was Ms. Dopp's analysis of the vote in Florida (she has a master's degree in mathematics) that set off a flurry of post-election theorizing by disheartened Democrats who were certain, given early surveys of voters leaving the polls that were leaked, showing Senator John Kerry winning handily, that something was amiss.

The day after the election, Ms. Dopp posted to her Web site, www.ustogether.org, a table comparing party registrations in each of Florida's 67 counties, the method of voting used and the number of votes cast for each presidential candidate. Ms. Dopp, along with other statisticians contributing to the site, suggested a "surprising pattern" in Florida's results showing inexplicable gains for President Bush in Democratic counties that used optical-scan voting systems.

The zeal and sophistication of Ms. Dopp's number crunching was hard to dismiss out of hand, and other Web users began creating their own bar charts and regression models in support of other theories. In a breathless cycle of hey-check-this-out, the theories - along with their visual aids - were distributed by e-mail messages containing links to popular Web sites and Web logs, or blogs, where other eager readers diligently passed them along.

Within one day, the number of visits to Ms. Dopp's site jumped from 50 to more than 500, according to site logs. On Nov. 4, that number tipped 17,000. Her findings were noted on popular left-leaning Web logs like DailyKos.com and FreePress.org. Last Friday, three Democratic members of Congress - John Conyers Jr. of Michigan, Jerrold Nadler of New York and Robert Wexler of Florida - sent a letter to the Government Accountability Office seeking an investigation of voting machines. A link to Ms. Dopp's site was included in the letter.

But rebuttals to the Florida fraud hypothesis were just as quick. Three political scientists, from Cornell, Harvard and Stanford, pointed out, in an e-mail message to a Web site that carried the news of Ms. Dopp's findings, that many of those Democratic counties in Florida have a long tradition of voting Republican in presidential elections. And while Ms. Dopp says that she and dozens of other researchers will continue to analyze the Florida vote, the suggestion of a link between certain types of voting machines and the vote split in Florida has, at least for now, little concrete support.

Still, as visitors to Ms. Dopp's site approached 70,000 early this week, other election anomalies were gaining traction on the Internet. The elections department in Cleveland, for instance, set off a round of Web log hysteria when it posted turnout figures on its site that seemed to show more votes being cast in some communities than there were registered voters. That turned out to be an error in how the votes were reported by the department, not in the counting.

And the early Election Day polls, conducted for a consortium of television networks and The Associated Press, which proved largely inaccurate in showing Mr. Kerry leading in Florida and Ohio, continued to be offered as evidence that the Bush team somehow cheated.

But while authorities acknowledge that there were real problems on Election Day, including troubles with some electronic machines and intolerably long lines in some places, few have suggested that any of these could have changed the outcome.

"There are real problems to be addressed," said Doug Chapin of Electionline.org, a clearinghouse of election reform information, "and I'd hate for them to get lost in second-guessing of the result."

It is that second-guessing, however, that has largely characterized the blog-to-e-mail-to-blog continuum. Some election officials have become frustrated by the rumor mill.

It becomes a snowball of hearsay," said Matthew Damschroder, the director of elections in Columbus, Ohio, where an electronic voting machine malfunctioned in one precinct and allotted some 4,000 votes to President Bush, kicking off its own flurry of Web speculation. That particular problem was unusual and remains unexplained, but it was caught and corrected, Mr. Damschroder said.

"Some from the traditional media have called for an explanation," he said, "but no one from these blogs has called and said, 'We want to know what really happened.' "

Whether that is the role of bloggers, Web posters and online pundits, however, is a matter of debate.

Clay Shirky, an adjunct professor in the interactive telecommunications program at New York University, suggests that the online fact-finding machine has come unmoored, and that some bloggers simply "can't imagine any universe in which a fair count of the votes would result in George Bush being re-elected president."

But some denizens of the Web see it differently.

Jake White, the owner of the Web log primordium.org, argues that he and other election-monitoring Web posters are not motivated solely by partisan politics. "While there are no doubt large segments of this movement that are being driven by that," he said in an e-mail message, "I prefer to think of it as discontent over the way the election was held."

Mr. White also quickly withdrew his own analysis of voting systems in Ohio when he realized the data he had used was inaccurate.

John Byrne, editor of an alternative news site, BlueLemur.com, says it is too easy to condemn blogs and freelance Web sites for being inaccurate. The more important point, he said, is that they offer an alternative to a mainstream news media that has become too timid. "Of course you can say blogs are wrong," he said. "Blogs are wrong all the time."

For its part, the Kerry campaign has been trying to tamp down the conspiracy theories and to tell supporters that their mission now is to ensure that every vote is counted, not that the election be overturned.

"We know this was an emotional election, and the losing side is very upset," said Daniel Hoffheimer, the lead lawyer for the Kerry campaign in Ohio. But, he said, "I have not seen anything to indicate intentional fraud or tampering."

A preliminary study produced by the Voting Technology Project, a cooperative effort between the California Institute of Technology and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, came to a similar conclusion. Its study found "no particular patterns" relating to voting systems and the final results of the election.

"The 'facts' that are being circulated on the Internet," the study concluded, "appear to be selectively chosen to make the point."

Whether that will ever convince everyone is an open question.

"I'd give my right arm for Internet rumors of a stolen election to be true," said David Wade, a spokesman for the Kerry campaign, "but blogging it doesn't make it so. We can change the future; we can't rewrite the past."


Ford Fessenden and John Schwartz contributed reporting for this article.

Who knows? Everything is moving so past I have to think there is some kind of divine plan going on here. Maybe we can rewrite the past in this election.

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It seems if you check Google we made just about all the major newspapers today.

I guess that Keith Obermann and Newsweek were right. The reporters were just on vacation after a long campaign and election and just got back in the swing of things. Either that or Obermann calling his fellow journalists out got them moving.

My daughter called me and said she got an email from Common Cause and now they have also taken up the issue. I figured they would when MoveOn got involved. True Majority will probably be next.

If nothing else comes of this all of us on the net have already succeeded in doing what we wanted to do which is bring to the attention of the government that we do not trust those electronic voting machines and will, in the future, protest again if any kind of irregularities are found in the voting process. I think it also should tell the government and both parties that we do not trust elections where goons are stationed at polls intimidating and harassing voters.

We have more than made our point.

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Ladies,
I want you to know that I greatly appreciate the presence of all of you on this site.. I always read your posts and cheer you on, even if it's usually silent cheering.. I pick and choose carefully the discussions to get involved with in this forum because the bickering and tearing down that always dominates discussion is hard for my heart as well...

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I'm sorry to that for you Harpyr, I hope that your OK!

For ALL that is worth to me, I've posted a Biblical prophecy on this forum once before and got shuned for it by some and all I can say now is the fact that I think that the prophecy is becoming much more clear to me...

The last and final screw to hold this country together has once again been corrupted and according to that prophecy, we are more and more looking at a pre-event that I think is going to tare the United States apart! If the Republicans keep going down this path even further, the prophecy WILL become a reality, just another meaningless sacrifice for the sake of the few and privileged, they won't know what they are doing to themselves until the very end, doesn't mean that I have to be involved in it!

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Harpyr....thanks!

Love,
Rainbow

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Thank you, Harpyr. Your presence when you are silent will always be felt from this point on.

I'm sorry to hear about your heart and I understand it's stressful.

I got the email from Common Cause sent to email box by my daughter. They had asked people just prior to the election to email them regarding any problems they had while voting. In today's email Common Cause said it has collected a lot of data from voters all over the country and they are calling for a hearing before Congress to present them the data.

This is growing bigger and bigger and as of today, or at least it was reported today, the word about the actvist movement on the internet and all that has transpired reached George W. Bush at the White House. I expect some things will probably happen to try and prevent the recount. We shall see.

I got this in my email today from a friend. It has a lot of the information that we already know in it but some new things too.

I saw this show of Bill Maher's over the weekend with Susan Sarandon. You could tell she knew something but all she would say is "something BIG is about to happen." She said she was in Ohio on election day and in Pennsylvania as well.

Something BIG is about to happen

"This is not conspiracy theory. This is not hearsay. There is
evidence. There are witnesses. There are investigations underway."

Dear Friends,

When actress Susan Sarandon appeared on the Bill Maher show over the
weekend, he asked her what is the biggest issue we face as a nation.

Her reply was "voter fraud."

The usually knowledgeable Maher had no idea what she was talking about.
When he asked, she replied:

"Something BIG is about to happen."

What I'm about to tell you is going to be hard to swallow at first. But
if you're like most of us, once you start looking at the evidence,
you'll scrape yourself off the ceiling, put your eyeballs back in their
sockets, and you'll try to figure out what to do.

So here it is.

The highest crime in the history of our country took place on November
2nd. The evidence is now mounting (into a HUGE mountain) that the
election was stolen. There is already a congressional investigation
underway and a consumer investigation (headed by Ralph Nader).

Electronic voting machines that were manufactured by supporters of the
Republican Party were used to alter the will of the people.

The internet message boards and chat rooms are bursting with talk about
this. You can wait another couple days to hear about it in the
mainstream media, or you can read on. Just remember where you heard it
first.

I will outline the key points in this email and provide a link with much
more information at the bottom. More information is coming out literally
by the minute.

The election was stolen with not just one tactic, but with several.

Key points

"Black Box" Electronic Voting Machines: The key to it all was
the use of electronic voting machines, that produce no paper trail.
These were manufactured mainly by the two companies ESS and Diebold.
Both of these companies are big supporters of the Republican Party.
Walden O'Dell, the owner of Diebold, said in a 2003 fundraising letter
that he is "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the
president next year."

Similarly, Chuck Hagel, the owner of ESS used his own machines to
get elected to the United States Senate in Nebraska.

A bill was introduced in the House and Senate to outlaw these machines and
require a paper printout of each vote so that they could be verified and/or
recounted. The bill was stalled by the Republican Party, led by Senate
Majority Leader Tom DeLay, and it was not allowed to come to vote.

Shortly after the November 2rd election, countless stories of problems
with the machines began to surface. Many people tried to vote for Kerry
and said that when the final confirmation screen came up it said they voted
for Bush. In one precinct in Ohio, 4,258 votes were given to Bush were
there were only 638 registered voters. Many more stories about the black
box voting machines, their problems, and the investigation into their tampering
are circulating.

Blackboxvoting.org <http://blackboxvoting.org> is leading the way in the
investigation to proving the results were tampered with.

Exit Polls: Exit polls were taken in every state. In those states that had verifiable
paper trails for their ballots, the exit polls were virtually the same as the real results.
However, in the states where electronic voting machines were used, the exit polls
were mysteriously very different from the final reported totals. You can view the
exit poll data directly yourself with the link at the bottom of this email.

Unusual Results: In the areas where computers were used to cast votes or tally them,
some very strange results have surfaced. Here is just one example. In Baker County,
Florida, there are 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them regsitered Democrats
and 24.3% of them Republicans. The vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for
Bush. Are we supposed to believe that 5 out of every 7 registered Democrats voted
for Bush??? This pattern repeats itself in many Florida counties. You can view all the
raw data for every Florida county at the link at the bottom of this email

Shenanigans: In addition to the electronic voting machines, there was widespread
voter intimidation and disenfranchisement on election day. In many democratic areas,
people waited hours to vote, while Republicans "challenged" voters' rights to vote,
forcing them to fill out a provisional ballot instead of a real ballot. The provisional
ballots were not counted on election day and we may never know how many of them
there were, or what rules will be used to qualify them. Flyers were sent to democratic
areas with an array of false information on them. People were told their voting precinct
had changed, that their voter registration was not valid, or that they would go to jail if
they tried to vote. The list of shenanigans goes on and on. You can see the some of
the flyers that were sent out and read about more of the shenanigans at the link at the
bottom of this email.

Investigations: This is not conspiracy theory. This is not heresay. There is evidence.
There are witnesses. There are investigations underway. Three Congressmen have
sent a letter to the General Accountability Office requesting urgent action and an
investigation. Ralph Nader is leading a consumer investigation into voter fraud countrywide,
and has already filed an official challenge to the voting results in New Hampshire.

You can read the letter to the GAO and more about Nader's efforts at the link below.

They will call us sore losers. They will have their lawyers and computer experts too.
They will refute the evidence. But the truth is on our side and we will prevail.

Here is the link to the information, if you would like to look into the
details and become more aware of the biggest story about to break.
www.solarbus.org/stealyourelection

What we need now is for the information to get out to more people. The
mainstream media will bury this until it's shoved down their throat. So
please forward this email to your friends and family. If every person
tells three other people, everyone will know before the media decides to
wake up.

Peace,
Gary Beckwith

Pass this on to get the word out. I am so excited about all of this because well, it's exciting to see democracy in action. From this point on the White House, Congress, and the media will know that Americans are no longer going to remain complacent. And if Congress and the media do not do their jobs, we will speak out about it. The media has not done it's job for long time now. We will speak out about changes we want to see in this country too.

Great job guys!!! We will see it through to the end. Keep the faith.

Ozone prophesies, according to my understanding are warnings, we have the power to change their course because we shape the future by our actions today. Right? Prophesies help us to understand where we are headed and where we will end up if we continue on in that direction. I think you said that in fact.

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I wish I could...I am not eligible to vote yet

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