posted July 25, 2005 05:22 PM              

The only sources that will count comming from this continent will be actual testaments and interviews with Millitary personel, be they officers or grunt soldiers. Anyone who has such a resource- I ask you to not include their actual name for the indeviduals well being, and probably life.

Been told by a few that China just put order and law for civilians to halt anything that uses patrolium. And we all have seen/heard the news reports that China recenlty bought an eplithera of oil.

What are these nuty commys planning on or for ?

Ive been told by freinds in our armed services about what our millitary is expecitng from this. However especialy since thats not supposed to be a common knowledge yet, we can only call these rumors.

So feel free to help on this quest ofr any truth to the subject...Remember-

posted July 25, 2005 08:29 PM            

Pourtant il y a également une logique contraignante à elle. L'offre
réelle des sembler $18.5 milliards assez énormes mais d'elle
s'élève à peu plus d'une addition du mois aux réservations des
devises étrangères de la Chine au taux d'excédent vu par
accumulation la dernière année. La Chine est censée où autrement
mettre sa pile des dollars ? Dans pourtant plus du bas papier de
rendement de dette de Fannie Mae et les autres agences remplissant de
combustible le logement de l'Amérique bouillonnent ?

Le paiement d'un prix de fantaisie Unocal peut être un investissement
moins sourd-muet que la dette achetante des ETATS-UNIS et garder
aidant vivantes l'ère d'argent bon marché qu'Alan Greenspan
a perpétuée comme Président de la réservation fédérale. Au moins
la Chine obtient les biens corporels, promesses pas de plus en plus
douteuses au salaire fixé sur des prêts hypothécaires toujours plus
cléments aux emprunteurs secondaire-principaux de ménage des
ETATS-UNIS.

Après avoir été encouragé à joindre le système global de
capitaliste, Chine estime naturellement qu'il a autant le droit
d'acheter les ETATS-UNIS la compagnie pétrolière comme gisement de
gaz indonésien ou une compagnie d'exploitation australienne. Et de la
perspective des actionnaires d'Unocal, il regarde beaucoup aussi. Qui
autrement mais la Chine est si affleurant de l'argent comptant qu'ils
sont disposés à outbid les géants multinationaux d'huile, dans ce
cas-ci chevron ? "prenez l'argent et la course," pourrait être le meilleur conseil,
juste comme il était quand IBM a vendu ses affaires de PC à
Lenovo de la Chine ou des investisseurs des ETATS-UNIS ont déchargé
les immobiliers iconiques tels que le centre de Rockefeller aux
acheteurs japonais très véhéments vers la fin des années 80. De tels
achats des capitaux d'outre-mer aux prix gonflés se sont ajoutés aux
problèmes Japon fait face quand sa propre bulle de capitaux a
éclaté en 1990.

Mais si la réaction de beaucoup d'Américains à l'offre confond
leurs propres principes de capitaliste, de Pékin les besoins
également de se rappeler les contradictions de sa propre position.
Pour financer son offre, la Chine National Offshore Oil Corp., ou le
CNOOC, devra s'accroître à un rapport approximatif de
dette-à-équité de 50:50 - un niveau très élevé pour une
compagnie de ressources, en particulier dans un secteur avec une telle
volatilité des prix.

Tels accroissent sont seulement possibles parce que CNOOC est une
entreprise publique gouvernement-commandée. La capacité de telles
compagnies d'emprunter presque autant qu'elles explique svp les
problèmes du système bancaire de l'état de la Chine et illustre à
quelle distance la Chine doit aller atteindre des concepts des
ETATS-UNIS de capitalisme privé. Menacer dans le fond, aussi, est le
fait que la amas du dollar de la Chine refoule au moins en partie de
son refus pour soumettre sa devise même aux quantités modestes de
force du marché. Tandis que ses restes de système si différents,
Chine ne peuvent pas être comptez être traité comme un
soumissionnaire l'Europe ou du Mexique.

L'issue d'Unocal ne peut pas être séparée de la question plus large
des déséquilibres commerciaux d'U.S.-China. La prétention que le
rapport supportera parce que les deux dépendent de l'un l'autre - les
Etats-Unis sur l'épargne chinoise, Chine sur le consommateur des
ETATS-UNIS - est dangereuse. Aux divisions le commerce et la devise
d'excédent maintenant sont ajoutés les questions bien plus émotives
de la propriété et de la sécurité nationale. Dans le vrai monde,
il y a une différence entre la propriété de la Chine de la dette
d'Unocal et de Fannie Mae.

La seule manière d'éviter ces problèmes allant de mauvais à plus
mauvais est d'adresser pas les symptômes mais les origines
macro-économiques. Grâce à Greenspan, argent est absurdement bon
marché aux Etats-Unis, par conséquent l'épargne de façon alarmante
basse de ménage évalue, endettement de montée et demande flottable
du consommateur. Et l'argent est bon marché en Chine, aussi, en tant
que lui cheville sa devise et ses taux d'intérêt d'intérêt aux
politiques de Greenspan, dans la croissance créante de processus
menée par l'investissement excessif - pas mineur par des entreprises
publiques - et les espérances insoutenables d'exportation.

posted July 25, 2005 09:17 PM            

Maybe Magus would prefer another language.

How about German?

Über Ölangebot Chinas hinaus eine grössere Gefahr Philip Bowring
MONTAG, JUNI 27, 2005 IHT

Hong-Kong ist das Angebot durch das Porzellan National Offshore
Oil Corp. für die amerikanische Ölfirma Unocal eine andere Tat in
einer klassischen Tragödie, die unerbittlich zu die Vereinigten
Staaten führt und China, welches die Werbung zerstört, sie umfassen,
die, beide schätzen? Von einer politischen Perspektive könnte das
Angebot zu einem weniger günstigen Zeitpunkt kaum gekommen sein. Es
ist zu rile vielen in einem VEREINIGTE STAATEN Kongreß bestimmt, der
bereits Überschußgeschäftsausgaben und den chinesischen
Währungstöpsel ärgert. Es ist eine andere Erhöhung zu denen, die
strafende Tarife gegen alle chinesischen Waren verlangen. Von einer
gesamten chinesischen Perspektive konnte das Angebot unklug gemeint
werden.

Italian?

Tuttavia ci è inoltre una logica costringente ad esso. L'offerta di
contanti dei sembr $18.5 miliardo abbastanza enormi ma di esso ammonta
a poco più di un'aggiunta del mese a riserve di divise estere della
Cina al tasso dell'eccedenza vista accumulazione l'anno scorso. Dove
altrimenti la Cina è supposta di mettere il relativo mucchio dei
dollari? In tuttavia più della carta rendente bassa da debito di
Fannie Mae e le altre agenzie che riforniscono l'alloggiamento di
combustibile dell'America bollono? Pagando un prezzo operato Unocal
può essere un investimento meno dumb che il debito d'acquisto degli
STATI UNITI e mantenere d'assistenza vivi l'era dei soldi poco costosi
che Alan Greenspan ha perpetuato come presidente della riserva
federale. Alla meno Cina ottiene i beni reali, promesse non sempre
più dubbie a paga assicurata sui prestiti ipotecari mai più clementi
ai mutuatari secondario-principali della famiglia degli STATI UNITI.

Portuguese?

Sendo incentivado para juntar o sistema global do capitalista, China
sente naturalmente que tem tanto quanto a direita comprar uma
companhia de óleo de ESTADOS UNIDOS quanto um campo de gás
indonesian ou uma companhia de mineração australian. E do
perspective dos accionistas de Unocal, olha um negócio bom demasiado.
Quem mais mas China é assim que nivelado com o dinheiro que estão
preparados para outbid os gigantes multinacionais do óleo, neste
chevron do caso? "faça exame do dinheiro e do funcionamento," pôde
ser o mais melhor conselho, apenas porque era quando a IBM vendeu seu
negócio de computador pessoal a Lenovo de China ou investors de
ESTADOS UNIDOS descarregaram a propriedade real iconic tais como o
centro de Rockefeller aos compradores japoneses sobre-ansiosos nos
1980s atrasados.

Spanish?

Tales compras de activos de ultramar en los precios inflados agregaron
a los problemas Japón hecho frente cuando su propia burbuja del
activo estalló en 1990. Pero si la reacción de muchos americanos a
la oferta confunde sus propios principios del capitalista, de Beijing
necesidades también de recordar las contradicciones de su propia
posición. Para financiar su oferta, China National Offshore Oil
Corp., o CNOOC, tendrá que leverage a un cociente aproximado de la
deuda-a-equidad de 50:50 - un nivel muy alto para una compañía de
los recursos, particularmente en un sector con tal volatilidad del
precio.

Hey Magus, you're going to have to let us know what language you want...since you don't want articles from this continent.

posted July 25, 2005 09:27 PM              

Didnt say it had to be you, the same old blabber mouth to take it. was open to anyone who actualy cares to waist theri time researching such a story.

I suppose you could leave the articles in their original language. Who knows, maybe someone will become bored enough to be nice and translate for us.

posted July 25, 2005 09:46 PM            

Hmmm, English may be spoken abroad Magus but foreign newspapers and other publications usually print in their native language..or didn't you know that?

Now, I thought I gave you exactly what you asked for...in fact, I did give you exactly what you asked for. Are you one of those people who are never satisfied?

posted July 26, 2005 08:38 PM              

Jwhop, nobody needs to point it out to you that you're making a fool of yourself. You are being ignorant whereas Magus is quite happy to debate with you without insulting your intelligence.

But you're so insecure, which is a shame.

posted July 26, 2005 09:28 PM            

You see bb, I really don't appreciate an American advocating the violent overthrow of the United States government. I don't appreciate it today, I won't tomorrow, next month, next year or any other year. If you have a problem with that, I'll be happy to address it for you.

posted July 26, 2005 11:45 PM            

Shouldn't you be off writing another I hate America...because...post?

Here, let me help you with some topics.

Terrorists shouldn't be killed, they should be understood.

Terrorism won't go away just because we kill all the terrorists.

The bible says to turn the other cheek..when terrorist kill your family and friends.

It is better to be killed than to fight back.

Bush is deliberately dragging his feet in rebuilding Iraq's infrastructure and oppressing Iraqi citizens.

The next target of US imperialism and oppression is Syria, then Iran.

Find anything there you like Acoustic..or are you already aware of those topics from the loony leftist websites you visit?

posted July 27, 2005 01:20 AM              

If another shares the same stance, or some stances with me thats great. Im not insisting your self or anyone else has to share my opinion in the way I , and only a few I know see things.

I think the way you see your self compared to others, has you forgeting that what you do or do not apreciate, realy is insignifacant in this universe, and the grand sceem of things.

On the other subject,,, its one thing if you wish to show your face , and be so vocal in every last global unity thread.
Its another thing to always be jumping down everyones throught as if you where so high and mighty as soon as they voice a view different then your own... What if the other forums became this stale and opinionated . Peaple wouldnt be learning so much in astrology forum or universal codes if the same game was always goin on there.

Not every one in here is gona see this the same as me-

posted July 27, 2005 02:29 AM            

What? Can't you handle more than one person asking you to be courteous at a time?

When it comes to you bullying new comers, someone's got to let them know they are free to post. You made fun of MoM, she [BB] made fun of you. That's karma. Then I made you out as being rude to a new comer, which you were.

Furthermore, you asked her to discuss something other than your, "posting style and choice of words," however you just recently tried to discredit MoM for his posting style and misspelled choice of words. That's karma once again.

People have admonished you since probably before I arrived to behave.

posted July 27, 2005 02:57 AM            

Just so you know Acoustic. Randall sets the rules here. If anyone admonishes anyone, Randall is the one with the juice, you aren't.

You want to make nasty, inflammatory statements here, you should be prepared to take some heat. Accusing the United States of repressing Iraqi citizens is one such nasty and inflammatory statement.

posted July 27, 2005 03:53 AM              

I'd be more content to believe it's working, but I have a feeling it's just making things worse.

That's just my gut feeling, there are alot of facts.

I'm only young and ignorant, what do I know?

I don't know if I'd be too quick to bag out an army that were risking their lives for my country though. That is a brave thing, and you must remember there are alot of people out there who know more than both of you, and that's why they vote for who they do.

Anyway, that's my opinion. I don't think we should be scared into surrendering to terrorists, would you surrender to someone who murdered your family or molested your children?

You'd want them locked up or dead.

Do they deserve to be forgiven? Are we really supposed to forgive people who want to kill us and our freedom?

posted July 27, 2005 10:04 AM              

Legal doesnt necesarily meen that theres much tactic behind these actions though, nor does legal gaurentee any productive out come.

Just liek I can legaly remind you that Washington and company angerd many peaple -just as I have when sugesting the colonies should be freed from Britians rule.

Actualy as far as you betting Im very carefull to whome I express these opinions in face to face conversations- sorry chief, you lost that bet !

ahahhahaaaaaa- Me and 2 or 3 budys have started major arguments, fist fights [those usealy require a good amount of Jack Daniels in us though] , and neer riots when bringing up our opinons in public. We have lost fihgts , won fights [yes fist fights] when publickly speaking these things... Its sorta beceom our way of trying to deal with our frustration of american legislation when it all starts to become a bit much.

Actualy, I have been very surprised that more fellow americans havent had the nerve to acutaly say somethign to us when we bash their silly laws. Most paeple look like their about to defficate them selves after a minuit or so of us going on. Prooves our point rite their that americans have become so afraid and lazy , that they wont do anything but call the pollice over every little thing. Thus leaving us no other way to see the situation as-

NO LONGER THE TRUE HOME OF THE BRAVE.

I already can hear your frustrated rantings on all I just said- so come Pooky, lets hear your -

posted July 27, 2005 12:39 PM            

For every grievance there is a remedy at law Magus but that remedy needs to be sought in the proper venue..in this case a court of law, where your buddy should have pleaded not guilty, laid a request for the production of documents on the state..the blood test report, consulted a medical text to see how long that controlled substance remains detectable in the blood and examined the chart of declining concentrations over time, because one doesn't remain intoxicated forever. Then, your friend or attorney would have been prepared to turn the states witnesses inside out on the witness stand..which is exactly what any first year law student would have done....given the facts you stated.

Now you and I would never get into a fist fight over you ripping stupid laws, unequal enforcement of the laws, overcharging defendants by prosecutors or any of the things you complained about.

posted July 27, 2005 11:41 PM            

Yes, I believe that the US businesses today are selling out to Communist China too!

posted July 27, 2005 11:54 PM            

I'm OK, I just wanted to break the silence after the long debate of the "Give Jwhop some attention hour time"!

Just going to and fro from one end of the Earth to the other, but yes, every once in while I like to be here for a good laugh too!

So, how are you doing LS?!