posted August 28, 2005 05:47 PM            

The name Tim Timmerman struck me as odd, too, but maybe the guy just had those kind of parents or something. Still, it is just so odd to think that the plane was completely vaporized - that building in the pictures does not look at all as if a 60 ton hunk of steel crashed into it... I mean, wouldn't the wings have come off? Why was the ground unmarred? And the fact that the flight traffic controllers said that the plane was maneuvering so perfectly, at such speeds...

posted August 28, 2005 05:48 PM              

a)the real planes were flown by remote control.....
b)the real planes were switched with duplicates,flown by remote control....
c)the hijackers were, unbeknownst to them, aided in their mission by covert operatives.....

and who would have been able to pull off such conspiracies??

a)illuminati!
b)Illuminati!!
c)ILLUMINATI!!!

posted August 28, 2005 05:54 PM            

Heh, just focus that positive energy on your computer. That should fix it!

posted August 28, 2005 06:00 PM              

Pentagon Battered but Firm

by B.J. Novitski

On September 11, when an American Airlines Boeing 757 crashed into the Pentagon, home of the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD), about 20,000 people were at work in this, the largest office building in the world. Yet according to the DoD casualty update on October 1, only 125 Pentagon employees were killed along with the 64 from the fated airliner.

That casualties were not much higher is attributed primarily to the fact that the portion of the building hit, the so-called "Wedge One," had been recently renovated. Contrary to initial reports, the reason for the low casualty rates was not that the offices were still vacant.

According to Pentagon renovation manager Lee Evey, about 80 percent of the Wedge One workers had returned to their offices. That sector of the building, therefore, potentially housed about 3500 workers that day. What saved so many lives, indisputably, is the structural stiffening Wedge One had undergone as part of a much needed, nearly completed, upgrade.

The exterior walls had been reinforced with steel beams and columns, bolted where they met at each floor. Some of these reinforced walls very near the point of impact remained in place for a half hour before collapsing, allowing uncounted hundreds to escape. "Had we not undertaken this effort," said Evey at a press briefing on September 15, "this could have been much, much worse."

The blast-resistant windows were nearly two inches (5 centimeters) thick. Some of them remain remarkably intact and in place adjacent the point of impact. Some were popped out of their frames by the force of the exploding jet fuel, but they fell without breaking or splintering.

posted August 28, 2005 06:53 PM            

It wasn't until later that it was "confirmed" as a Boeing.

Edit: This site ( http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/pentalawn.html )isn't doing anything to dissolve my paranoia either...

This one is intersting, too. http://eric.bart.free.fr/iwpb/

"A column of 50 FBI officers walked shoulder-to-shoulder across the south grounds of the Pentagon, picking up debris" Washingtonpost

"On the right picture you can see the "puch out hole" that was suposedly made by the nose of the plane. It is labelled N"3 in this picture. Pierre-Henri Bunel explains that is was more likely caused by a shaped charge jet stream. Hot plasma jet streams are designed to pierce concrete, they go far inside the building and end up in winds, smokes and heat."

posted August 29, 2005 08:11 AM              

Edit: Or not: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html
It's from the March issue, so I was wrong on the date.

posted August 29, 2005 01:36 PM              

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When American Airlines Flight 77 hit the Pentagon's exterior wall, Ring E, it created a hole approximately 75 ft. wide, according to the ASCE Pentagon Building Performance Report. The exterior facade collapsed about 20 minutes after impact, but ASCE based its measurements of the original hole on the number of first-floor support columns that were destroyed or damaged. Computer simulations confirmed the findings.

Why wasn't the hole as wide as a 757's 124-ft.-10-in. wingspan? A crashing jet doesn't punch a cartoon-like outline of itself into a reinforced concrete building, says ASCE team member Mete Sozen, a professor of structural engineering at Purdue University. In this case, one wing hit the ground; the other was sheared off by the force of the impact with the Pentagon's load-bearing columns, explains Sozen, who specializes in the behavior of concrete buildings. What was left of the plane flowed into the structure in a state closer to a liquid than a solid mass. "If you expected the entire wing to cut into the building," Sozen tells PM, "it didn't happen."

The tidy hole in Ring C was 12 ft. wide--not 16 ft. ASCE concludes it was made by the jet's landing gear, not by the fuselage.

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