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Johnny
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posted August 27, 2005 09:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is the official story about 9/11 true? I'd never doubted it, but now...
http://www.freedomunderground.org/memoryhole/pentagon.php

Seriously, take a look at this. I'd do it fast, too. Apparently, this has disappeared off several websites.

I just don't know what to think.

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Petron
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posted August 27, 2005 10:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i can believe nothing would be left if they really slammed a jetliner into the pentagon...it probably would disintegrate the entire contents.....

but if there really is another film they wont release then thats enough evidence to suspect some kind of coverup......

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lotusheartone
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posted August 28, 2005 12:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry, But that was pure BS, and a very bad vibration, Nobody needs to see or hear that.
As I said, I'm sorry, But that was evil...

Love and Light and Understanding

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lotusheartone
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posted August 28, 2005 02:48 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And, it really screweed up my computer, and it's been hours since I went there, after the site, I had to shut down, nothing worked, and even now ,my, it's so slow.
that really was bad...

Love and Light

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Johnny
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posted August 28, 2005 04:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi, Petron. I was kind of hoping you would reply. =) Do you think that it would have been incinerated? The entire thing? There's no way I could picture that - did you see those pictures? I mean, the building was damaged, but it sure didn't look like a huge, what was it, 60 ton plane slammed into it! The windows weren't even all broken! If the plane was going to burn enough that no piece of it would be left, then what would it do to the building? I mean, you could be right - I'm no expert, certainly. It's just hard to wrap my mind around it. And what about the grass outside the building? It was flawless! I have to admit, I am rather freaked out about this thing.

Lotusheartone, that was a Flash animation. It did not mess up your computer. Please stop trying to scare people away from it.

Now, why was it evil, and BS? I don't really understand you. Nobody needs to see it because it is evil? Don't be ridiculous. And it had a bad vibration? No offense, but what does that even mean?

And then you end your post with "Love and Light?" Love, maybe. But light illuminates things, friend - if you cannot tolerate a discussion of ideas, then you are not spreading light at all.

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Johnny
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posted August 28, 2005 04:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
God, that irritates me. "It's evil. And by the way, don't look at it, because it will mess up your computer!!!"

Annoying.

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lotusheartone
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posted August 28, 2005 04:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm sorry, but that was bad, that's why it freaked you out, as much, as it did me.
No need to be hostile, but honestly, you know, something wasn't right about that, and I just have a simple term, evil, it wasn't right. And it did not resonate with the universe.
YES

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Johnny
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posted August 28, 2005 04:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok, so you didn't like it. But did it really mess up your computer? It didn't mess up mine.

And I don't think it was bad, or wrong at all. I think it was interesting. I think it was thought-provoking. I think it was worth considering. If you are just going to write it off as "evil" then you are not thinking very critically, in my opinion.

You are of course welcome to say what you like about it, but please don't try to scare people away from it. Knowledge is never evil. Censorship is.

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Johnny
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posted August 28, 2005 05:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One of the weirdest things about this is that it is so hard to find! My brother got it in an e-mail from a friend, and he sent me a link to it... I went to the site but the link was already broken! He had downloaded it not 6 hours before! So I did a search for it, and found it here, but if you read the discussion thread on it, its poster says that he snagged it from another site that has since disappeared, and he has no idea who the original creator of it was!

Yeah, I think it's the Illuminati...

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proxieme
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posted August 28, 2005 08:33 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Check an issue of either Popular Mechanics or Popular Science (I can't remember which) from sometime this late Spring/early Summer.

It pretty soundly debunks that.

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lotusheartone
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posted August 28, 2005 11:29 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, it really did mess up my computer, it woouldn't let me out, or shut down, finally, I unplugged, my cpmputer, and started over.

It was just my opinion, not trying to scare anyone, people will do what they want.

Love and Light

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juniperb
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posted August 28, 2005 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It didn`t mess up my old & cranky computer

ILLUMINATI - ILLUMINATI - ILLUMINATI


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Petron
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posted August 28, 2005 12:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
stop posting that juniperb!! that third "illuminati" thing made my computer lock up!! just evil.......

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juniperb
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posted August 28, 2005 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
ah, the power of evil and it`s many forms.

love and light to your puter

ILLUM... aw now I`m scared too. The fear of evil is a contagious bugger, yes?

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LibraSparkle
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posted August 28, 2005 01:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lotusheartone,

Perhaps your computer is simply messed up?

If you have a bunch of adware and/or sypware going on behind the scenes, or not enough RAM, you would have the same issues.

Clearly the issue with your computer is not connected with the site.

Maybe you should run some diagnostics on it to find out why you are having trouble shutting down. I prefer to use the combo or Labasoft's AdAware and Spybot Search and Destroy. One always cleans up what the other missed. So, with the two, your system should be pretty clean. You can also go to this site: http://housecall.trendmicro.com/, and scan your box with House Call for any viruses. All of these suggestions are free.

I have a great respect for people with skeptical minds. Its hard to respect a cynic though, because they are simply scornful and jaded... not thinking. And rarely does a cynic have anything thought provoking to add. So, there's really no use in listening to a cynic. They really aren't saying anything anyhow.

Love, Light, and Understanding indeed. I think you should try listening to your own words.


Hi Johnny,

How are you, dear? Its nice to see you around.... and thank you for your kind words in FFA. How did you know flattery would get you everywhere with me?

I've seen something like this before... if not that specific one... its been a while, so I don't remember everything. But, it was similar, nonetheless.

I think there's definitely something going on. Some kind of cover-up. I agree with Petron. That plane would have made more than make a couple holes.

I doubt that anyone has all of the details. But it is interesting, isn't it?


Proxie, Can that article be found online?


hehe... Petron and Juni Y'all are funny. I love to laugh. Its my favorite. Thanks.

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lotusheartone
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posted August 28, 2005 02:11 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LibraSparkle,
well, ah, thanks for the info.And it was just an opinion, he did ask for opinions, didn't he???

Love and Light

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LibraSparkle
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posted August 28, 2005 02:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Absolutely. Opinions are welcome everywhere. You just have to know that people are going to have opinions on your opinions... Especially in GU.

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Petron
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posted August 28, 2005 02:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well it was probly just a djinn in my 'puter that got zapped by that hex...hehe


but what i really meant LS was that i can believe that hole could be consistent with an airliner smashing into the pentagon.....those walls are highly reinforced .....anything going that speed with that much momentum would be pulverized into tiny pieces.....

what i am saying is that we have a right to see any footage the fbi has not released, concealing such a thing only adds to suspicions about a coverup.....and justifies any kind of reasonable speculations....


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LibraSparkle
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posted August 28, 2005 02:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I must have read what you wrote wrong. hehe... funny.

Granted the pentagon is highly reinforced... but still... it seems to me there would be much more of a mess... more evidence that it was actually a airliner... that is *IF* it were a airliner. A tail, a wing, a mark on the ground resembling an airliner?

Something just doesn't add up. Maybe it is just suspicion of their secrecy... but I suspect something is awry.


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what i am saying is that we have a right to see any footage the fbi has not released, concealing such a thing only adds to suspicions about a coverup.....and justifies any kind of reasonable speculations....

Agreed.

If they would just show us what happened, we wouldn't be so suspicious.

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Planet_Soul
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posted August 28, 2005 03:38 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Did they ever find the remains of the people on board of the flight?

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Johnny
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posted August 28, 2005 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey everyone!

So Popular Science explains this all, Proxieme? Well, I think Popular Science is run by the Illuminati!!! No, just joking... but I would be interested to see what they have to say about it. I'll go check it out next time I'm at the library. Thanks! Though, I kind of wonder if they have anything to say about the FBI not releasing the security footage and whatnot...

LibraSparkle, I wasn't looking to flatter you - only trying to be supportive and helpful. Since all my advice kind of sucks, that was the best I could do. But I meant it!

But I am definetly thinking that there is some kind of cover-up here. I read somewhere that the people escaping the WTC as the planes where crashing into the tops saw and heard explosions going on at the bottom of the building... and then the buildings fell straight down? I'm no demolitions expert, but it sounds a tad fishy to me. And then the pristine lawns outside of the Pentagon, when the official sources say the plane hit the ground and skidded into the building... It's just weird.

Hi, Planet Soul - I don't know if they ever found any bodies... but if they didn't even find the plane, then I'd bet the chances are pretty slim. But who knows?

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Johnny
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posted August 28, 2005 04:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Johnny     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(I)And, (L)Lotusheartone, (L)if (U)you (M)really (I)were (N)having (A)problems (T)with your (I)computer, then I apologize.

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lotusheartone
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posted August 28, 2005 05:23 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank-you Johnny, yes really had trouble, Libra-Sparle was right, I've cleaned it up, thanks.

Love and Light

Oh, yes and that was very funny, are you a Gemini?

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Petron
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posted August 28, 2005 05:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
(pssst johnny i think yer spose to say it 3 times)


heres an eyewitness, although the name "tim timmerman" sounds kind of made up on the spot.....?
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Mr. Timmerman, are you with us right now?

TIM TIMMERMAN, EYEWITNESS: I sure am.

FRANKEN: You are a pilot. Tell us what you saw. TIMMERMAN: I was looking out the window; I live on the 16th floor, overlooking the Pentagon, in a corner apartment, so I have quite a panorama. And being next to National Airport, I hear jets all the time, but this jet engine was way too loud. I looked out to the southwest, and it came right down 395, right over Colombia Pike, and as is went by the Sheraton Hotel, the pilot added power to the engines. I heard it pull up a little bit more, and then I lost it behind a building.

And then it came out, and I saw it hit right in front of -- it didn't appear to crash into the building; most of the energy was dissipated in hitting the ground, but I saw the nose break up, I saw the wings fly forward, and then the conflagration engulfed everything in flames. It was horrible.

FRANKEN: What can you tell us about the plane itself?

TIMMERMAN: It was a Boeing 757, American Airlines, no question.

FRANKEN: You say that it was a Boeing, and you say it was a 757 or 767?

TIMMERMAN: 7-5-7.

FRANKEN: 757, which, of course...

TIMMERMAN: American Airlines.

FRANKEN: American Airlines, one of the new generation of jets.

TIMMERMAN: Right. It was so close to me it was like looking out my window and looking at a helicopter. It was just right there.

FRANKEN: We were told that it was flying so low that it clipped off a couple of light poles as it was coming in.

TIMMERMAN: That might have happened behind the apartments that occluded my view.

And when it reappeared, it was right before impact, and like I said, it was right before impact, and I saw the airplane just disintegrate and blow up into a huge ball of flames.

FRANKEN: So there was a fireball that you saw?

TIMMERMAN: Absolutely. And the building shook, and it was quite a tremendous explosion.

FRANKEN: What did you see after that?

TIMMERMAN: Nothing but the flames. I sat here, and I took a few pictures out of my window, and I noticed the fire trucks and the responses was just wonderful. Fire trucks were there quickly. I saw the area; the building didn't look very damaged initially, but I do see now, looking out my window, there's quite a chunk in it. But I think the blessing here might have been that the airplane hit before it hit the building, it hit the ground, and a lot of energy might have gone that way. That's what it appeared like.

FRANKEN: There is, of course -- we heard some discussion about the fact that it could have been worse had it actually gone a little bit higher and gone into what is the called the ring, the center ring...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.32.html

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Petron
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posted August 28, 2005 05:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

On Flight 77: 'Our Plane Is Being Hijacked'

By Marc Fisher and Don Phillips
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, September 12, 2001; Page A01

There was not even the grace of instant death. Instead, there was time to call from the sky over Virginia, fingers pumping cell phones, terrified passengers talking to loved ones for one final time.

Herded to the back of the plane by hijackers armed with knives and box-cutters, the passengers and crew members of American Airlines Flight 77 -- including the wife of Solicitor General Theodore Olson, a Senate staffer, three D.C. schoolchildren and three teachers on an educational field trip and a University Park family of four headed to Australia for a two-month adventure -- were ordered to call relatives to say they were about to die.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A14365-2001Sep11


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November 21, 2001: Flight 77 Remains Identified, Hijackers' Identities Not Confirmed Complete 911 Timeline
The remains of all but one of the people on board Flight 77, including the hijackers, are identified. However, the identities of the hijackers have still not been confirmed through their remains [Washington Post, 11/21/01; Mercury, 1/11/02] , and the FBI never provides DNA profiles of the hijackers to medical examiners for identification. Strangely, the official position is that there was a giant fireball on impact that not only destroyed the airplane, but actually vaporized the metal. A rescue worker states: “The only way you could tell that an aircraft was inside was that we saw pieces of the nose gear. The devastation was horrific.” [NFPA Journal, 11/1/01] As of mid-2004, there still have been no reports that the hijackers' remains have been identified by their DNA, except possibly for two unnamed hijackers.
People and organizations involved: Federal Bureau of Investigation
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a112101passengerremains


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