posted June 10, 2006 01:57 PM              

Indeed it did!

Lia!
I will have to scan the pictures sometime and send them to you!
Quote:
"I'm not sure which is the more harmful thing: forceful interferrence, or accomodating apathy."

I think the accomodating apathy. Because it does not fight or even try to fight the intolerances of forceful interferrence.

posted June 10, 2006 02:05 PM              

THE UNIVERSAL LAWS
THE GOD LAWS
ARE SIMPLE

MALE AND FEMALE

THIS IS THE WORLD OF ILLUSION
THIS IS THE WORLD OF ILLUSION

YOU ARE FOOLING YOURSELVES..THE ANSWERS
ARE WITHIN..AND THEY ARE PLAIN AND SIMPLE
THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE..

IT'S THE UNIVERSAL LAWS. ...

posted June 10, 2006 02:19 PM              

Yes we are talking about consenting adults here, not children of any sex!

Lotus why should two ADULTS in love be denied the right to legal marriage because of someone's opinion?

My husband and I were! And we are a man and a woman!

What on earth would it do to you personally to have two people of the same sex marry each other?

Leave the morality of it to God.
It is none of your business.
You are not God or the judge, jury and executioner of humanity!
Leave it to God, and cool it with the bigotry and preaching!

Some folks think white folks should not marry black folks!
And some folks think that no one should marry outside their race!
RACE? What a strange word!
Are we not all HUMAN?
Sex or race should not be an issue when two people, two ADULT HUMANS want to join in legal matrimony!

To deny that right to any ADULT HUMAN with another ADULT HUMAN is a violation of personal freedoms and privacy!

How would you feel if suddenly it became illegal for women over 25 to marry? Or only one marriage allowed in a lifetime even after a divorce or widow/widowerhood?
How would you feel if people with children from a previous relationship were not allowed to re-marry?
Should the disabled be denied the right to marriage?

How about the elderly?
Oh yeah...that's right! By your rules, No sex for the elderly either, because it does not result in producing children!

Think about it all Lotus before running off and condemning others without considering the bigger picture.
Personal freedoms and equal rights for all human beings!

And your "Love and Respect For All" is a big steamiing pile of bullcrap! You do judge and condemn and show no respect for anyone unless they kiss up to your idea of how it all should be!

Yeah..I AM judging you! You have not shown respect or tolerance or love in these matters!
"Love And Respect For All"?????
Walk your talk or shutup!

posted June 10, 2006 04:11 PM            

As for all this talk about whether it's right or wrong or universal God's law or whatnot..
I'm usually the last person who quotes scripture but I just feel it's appropriate in this situation..

posted June 10, 2006 05:39 PM              

Jwhop btw had claimed that marriages have traditionally been between a man and woman for 8000 years and should stay that way. (hi Big Daddy!)

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Why shouldn't it be considered a marriage? They don't need a reason to claim their rights but you damn well better have a reason to deny them. And the 8000 years thing doesn't cut it honey. Please prove your theory - were marriage licenses issued 8000 years ago? Once upon a time marriages were made for money or property or title. The idea of marriage for love is quite a new concept. Once upon a time arranged marriages were the norm. While they do still exist, they are certainly running out of favor. Once upon a time 12 year old girls were married off to 50 year old men. Once upon a time polygamy was an option for any man that could afford it. My what lovely traditions! Why ever didn't we maintain them?

Citizens who are of a homosexual bent are still citizens. Why should their rights to the financial and legal protections of marriage be denied? Because Jwhop doesn't agree with the choice of partner? Now if a church doesn't see fit to marry them - then by all means don't. A church is a private institution and if they don't want to marry me because they don't like the color of my shoes more power to them. But the government belongs to all of its citizens. And they are citizens, they pay their taxes - they're entitled. We allow pedophiles to get married, we allow federal criminals to get married, we allow Britney Spears to make an idiot out of herself in Vegas. All because it is a private, personal choice and the government needs to stay the hell out.

As for the Amendments - take another look. They extended rights, they didn't restrict them. Getting closer and closer to that "all men are created equal" stuff must really scare some people.

Likening 2 men or 2 woman to a man and a sheep or a woman and a horse is perverted, ignorant, offensive and down right mean-spirited. The difference is consent and it's obvious and you know it. I'm surprised to hear it from a rational man, such as yourself.

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so there

and that's all I have to say about that

posted June 10, 2006 07:23 PM              

As I read this, I remembered that last bit and thought about referencing it.

posted June 10, 2006 10:29 PM              

YaaaaaaY TINK!

Absolutely wonderful!

posted June 11, 2006 12:04 AM              

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we allow Britney Spears to make an idiot out of herself in Vegas.

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Bravo for deja vu's, and rational,loving logic.
Well said, Tink and Fayte.

posted June 11, 2006 12:12 AM              

I just knew that John McCain was one of those rational, moderate, sane Republicans who voted against this third attempt at writing bigotry into the Constitution, AD. Thanks for the list. And to think this is the guy who was running against Bush for the nomination back in the 2000 election. Oh, if only.

Now that it is not in writing who they can marry do you think the Republican Right have been thrown into total confusion?

posted June 11, 2006 01:46 PM            

oh, and Lotus ~

Could you please direct me to this hallowed list of “Universal Laws” that we are (all except you) ignoring and thereby causing chaos on the planet?

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posted June 09, 2006 12:08 PM

I am speaking of The Universal Laws..that are immutable!
The Laws and God that we walked away from..in the beginning..of this last Creation. ...
Love and Respect for ALL..

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posted June 09, 2006 12:26 PM
Please, just ignore me..

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posted June 11, 2006 02:06 PM              

in each life incarnation..we produce Karma on theis Earth..wether good or bad..is our own free will..Our Gift..Our Choice..

we were all created with first mates..male and female..

you get what you give..you reap what you sow..if your good..only good reTurns..if you are bad..bad will reTurn..
Earth School..lessons..trials and tribulations..
Each person..chosed..to come here..and the life that would be lived..to balance out his or her karma..through each life lived here..

There is no one to blame..for how your life is NOE..except yourself..you are where you are today..because of your Free wi11 choice..

Simply..the Universal Laws..are in your control..by each and every choice and action you take. ...

The Emerald Tablets..contain these Laws. ...

We will find them SOon..

by the way..I do not judge anyOne..I love each and every BEing eqaully..and will try to do everything I can to help..through the transition..we will go through on this Earth..each person is equal..and DeServes..
LOve and Respect..

Lots of Love to EveryOne..

posted June 11, 2006 11:20 PM              

Hey...has anybody here ever heard of Jeff Gannon or Victor Ashe? and what their relationship with our "beloved decider" might be???

posted June 12, 2006 02:05 AM              

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you get what you give..you reap what you sow..if your good..only good reTurns..if you are bad..bad will reTurn..

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I disagree with that statement, Lotus.

How then do you explain that bad things happen to good people, Lotus? How do you explain that babies are born with cancer and other illnesses and defects? What bad could a new born baby have done to reap bad in return? People who live very good lives and do good don't always get good in return, Lotus. Bad things DO happen to good people.

posted June 12, 2006 07:08 AM              

Love and Respect for ALL..

there is noOne to blame..the laws are simple..

posted June 12, 2006 08:42 AM              

Mr Gannon and Mr.Ashe are reported to be close to Mr.B, and are both gay.

Lotus....
Think about this:
FREE WILL v/s KARMA.

One cannot really have both can they?
Karma as thought of by most Westerners is akin to only the concept of "an eye for an eye".....unlike Eastern thought which indicates it is also a way to learn, to experience the full range of human experiences so that we may come to undertand each and every human being.

If Karma were only a form of cosmic/from god punishment, then the Free Will concept falls fast by the wayside.
Google some of these topics and really think about what you are saying.
Free-will vs. predestination
Fate vs. Free-will
Free will Vs Destiny/Fate/Karma
Existentialism and Dynamic Psychology
The Karma Conundrum - Decoding the Direction of Destiny
Freedom & Fate - philosophical essay
CHANCE EVENTS, & FREE WILL VS. CAUSALITY
And Sorry, but those "Emerald Tablets of Thoth" are pure mythos. The mythical stories and tales of Atlanteans are based on something MUCH OLDER!
Pre-Saurian.
The cutesey Atlantean princess nonsense and romantic stories are human fabrications brought about in the trying to create a link to them and heavily flavoring the tales with human social structures, dress, attitudes, mores` and so forth. Humans have a strong tendancy to over anthropomorphize anything non human. Look at the preponderance of "bipedal/humanoids" in our science fiction and fantasy tales.

And the laws?
Those mythical Emerald tablets?
The Law of Moses?(Notice "not" of God).
What laws exactly would you be referring to?
The solutions are simple.
Robert Fulghum:
Kindergarten Resolutions for Living Together

"All I really need to know about how to live and what to do and how to be I learned in kindergarten," says Robert Fulghum in an essay that is posted on bulletin boards all across America. "Share everything. Play fair. Clean up your own mess. Put things back where you found them."

Buddha, Jesus, Confucious and more have said these things.
It all comes back to tolerance, and respecting others and their space and realizing we are all human, no matter how our many differences seem to separate us.

posted June 12, 2006 09:44 AM            

I'd like to understand a bit more about this

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FREE WILL v/s KARMA.
One cannot really have both can they?

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Zala

posted June 12, 2006 11:41 AM              

I feel there are things that just happen and our free will or karma has nothing to do with it. There are many events in our world and universe that are completely out of our control. God is in control and God DOES NOT punish us in this life.

Lotus reminds me of the people in the Book of Job who kept telling him that everything that was happening to him was his fault for being bad. Yet Job was a just man and he kept protesting his innocence. Finally in the end of that story God comes to Job's defense and dispels the notion that He punishes us in this life and that yes, bad things do happen to good people that are entirely out their control. He chastises those who blamed it all on Job. Lotus should read the Book of Job with an open mind.

It really aggravates me when people misrepresent God as a punishing God. It aggravates me when people, in order to point fingers at others, blame everything that happens either on God as a punishment or on the person for being "bad." That's fundalmentalist BS for the purpose of control and airs of superiority. God is constantly working to bring good out of the bad things that happen in our lives and our world. All we have to do is be aware and we can see that happening all the time.

posted June 12, 2006 11:51 AM              

Yes it does.
But what does one do to free oneself from the past?
That "getting off the wheel" business I feel has been misinterpreted.
It is NOT about leaving physical life eventually.
It is about "getting off the payback wheel. the cycle of PAYBACKS!"
Free Will allows us to decide on whether to act upon that "eye for an eye"...to stop the payback cycle which by virture of its being will not naturally end.
Nyah nayah Nyah, he/she started it! WELL! STOP IT! It does NOT matter WHO STARTED "IT"!
The evolved soul will STOP"IT!
So it is a Free Will Choice.
Keep the payback Cycles going and stay on "The Karmic Wheel", or Forgive and move beyod the needs and desires, even unconcious ones, to "take an eye for an eye".
I hope I made sense.

posted June 12, 2006 12:22 PM              

and yes Fayte you can come full circle and forgive all..ending the cycle of Karma
Mastership!

Love and Respect for ALL. ...

posted June 12, 2006 12:32 PM            

I'm not open to emotional arguments or arguments based on a fallacy or misunderstanding of American law.

For instance, someone said it's a privacy issue and equal rights issue.

WRONG.

There is no right to privacy to be found in the US Constitution...not anywhere and that includes the 4th Amendment.

The Equal Protection of the Laws...14th Amendment does not apply either.

Neither Bush or anyone else is attempting to say homosexuals cannot marry on exactly the same basis as everyone else and under the same rules as everyone else.

If a gay man wants to marry a heterosexual or even a lesbian woman, there is no law against that.

If a lesbian woman wants to marry a gay guy or a straight guy, there is no law against that either.

posted June 12, 2006 12:43 PM            

Charmed woman marries cobra in India Fri Jun 2, 7:43 AM ET

A woman and her Cobra husband

BHUBANESWAR, India (AFP) - A woman who fell in love with a snake has married the reptile at a traditional Hindu wedding celebrated by 2,000 guests in India's Orissa state, reports said.

Bimbala Das wore a silk saree for the ceremony Wednesday at Atala village near the Orissa state capital Bhubaneswar.

Priests chanted mantras to seal the union, but the snake failed to come out of a nearby ant hill where it lives, the Press Trust of India (PTI) said on Friday.

A brass replica snake stood in for the hesitant groom.

"Though snakes cannot speak nor understand, we communicate in a peculiar way," Das, 30, told the agency.

"Whenever I put milk near the ant hill where the cobra lives, it always comes out to drink.

"I always get to see it every time I go near the ant hill. It has never harmed me," she added.

Villagers welcomed the wedding in the belief it would bring good fortune and laid on a feast for the big day.

Snakes and particularly the King Cobra are venerated in India as religious symbols worn by Lord Shiva, the god of destruction.

Das, from a lower caste, converted to the animal-loving vegetarian Vaishnav sect whose local elders gave her permission to marry the cobra, the world's largest venomous snake that can grow up to five metres.

"I am happy," said her mother Dyuti Bhoi, who has two other daughters and two sons to marry off.

"Bimbala was ill," Bhoi told local OTV channel. "We had no money to treat her. Then she started offering milk to the snake ... she was cured. That made her fall in love."

Das has moved into a hut built close to the ant hill since the wedding.

Earlier this year, a tribal girl was married off to a dog on the outskirts of Bhubaneswar.

posted June 12, 2006 01:45 PM              

as far as girls marrying cobras and dogs....
Well they used to marry volcano gods too and get tossed into the volcano too.
Traditions are not always the right thing. Slavery was once accepted. So was turning the disabled into the streets because they were tainted by sin, which of course was the reason they were blind or deformed.
Should society give the rights of first night back to kings and leaders to have sex with virgin brides?
The list of nonsense just goes on.
Things change in time. Old rules, laws and codes need to be removed that are contrary to common sense and personal rights as fellow humans.

posted June 12, 2006 01:48 PM              

cause sOme..just will not understand. ...