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jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 09, 2006 03:18 PM
"Reasonable people heretofore willing to give the benefit of the doubt to leftists skating on the edge of sanity will now be forced to conclude leftists have taken the plunge" quote: No one's gonna take your side on that crap. Unless of course its another republican....TP
Thank you for making my point TP  The idea that only Republicans would see the statements made by leftists in that article...and other articles as the ravings of lunatics only proves you're no longer skating on the edge, you've embarked into the abyss.  IP: Logged |
Venusian Love unregistered
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posted June 09, 2006 03:32 PM
It's funny. Only a republican will call someone a lunatic for not agreeing with murder. Doesn't make sense to me. But of course it will make sense to you.
The thought of murder runs in your blood. You like it. You are an evil old fart.
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DayDreamer unregistered
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posted June 09, 2006 08:33 PM
Sure pid I dont mind if you label me as an Anti-American, or a Pro-Terrorist. Im not even going to argue this with you. I dont care what ya think of me.  Im sorry if you cant handle the reality of the situation. The reality is your government invaded Iraq under false pretenses for their own agenda, brought on terrorists like Zarqawi, and others like him, and created this turmoil and war in Iraq. How is it that I would rather see innocent people murdered? Do you realize how many innocent Iraqis and Afghanis have been murdered since your bloody government thought they could begin to play god?!? I cant stand it when people say that Muslims in other countries who dont think so highly of America, hate your freedom and democracy...because thats just a load of crap. People dont hate your freedom. People just hate others, who ever that may be, who try to jeopardize their own freedoms. IP: Logged |
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posted June 09, 2006 08:35 PM
Ok first I thought I was a pro-terrorist, but now Im pro-murder?Aren't they pretty similar? IP: Logged |
Rainbow~ unregistered
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posted June 11, 2006 11:01 PM
DayDreamer....How pathetic that someone here had the gaul to call you a pro-terrorist! I take issue with that reckless statement! The truth of the matter is... YOU HAVE YOUR HEAD ON STRAIGHT.... .....and see things the way they really are! and don't mind telling it like it is..... You keep it up....the POLICE STATE hasn't reached this website - yet! (thank Creator!) With sincere admiration, Rainbow~ IP: Logged |
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posted June 11, 2006 11:08 PM
Did someone say pro-murder???I'll tell you who the pro-murderers are.... they are the evil ones who start wars under "false pretenses" and then have the blood of many innocents on their hands.... THEY - ARE THE PRO-MURDER PEOPLE!!!!!! IP: Logged |
jwhop Knowflake Posts: 2787 From: Madeira Beach, FL USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 12, 2006 01:00 PM
Hehe, interesting to see some here are outdoing the Islanders of No Thought with claims that the killing of the kingpin of terrorists in Iraq...who has killed thousands.....was MURDER by US military forces. It just doesn't get any more loony than this. Thanks for living up to my expectations.  The loony left, always seeking to break new ground in loonyland. IP: Logged |
pidaua Knowflake Posts: 67 From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 12, 2006 02:35 PM
Rainbow, when you have something valuable to contribute please feel free to open that trap of yours. Also, please read through posts before just taking someone's word (pro-murderer give me a break).DD, I can handle anything.. I'm an American  "Im sorry if you cant handle the reality of the situation. The reality is your government invaded Iraq under false pretenses for their own agenda, brought on terrorists like Zarqawi, and others like him, and created this turmoil and war in Iraq. " That statement above is your opinion.. and that is exactly what it is "OPINION" and what exactly is it based on? Do you have facts that we don't? Are you and some of the leftest, Anti-American, pro-terrorist people here provided with information based on your "other worldly intellect" that the rest of the globel population is not privy to? I highly doubt that. See, if a country sponsors terrorism, kills hundreds of thousands of their own people, plans on taking out US cities with WMD's, and funds an attack on the US - well, yes they are fair game for attack. Whether it makes you sad because we are fighting one of your beloved Muslim countries, well too bad. I said it before, if they want us to stop our campaign (which they don't seem to mind our building of hospitals, schools, electrical plants, necessary telecommunications etc..) then just give up the terrorists, tear down the training camps and stop attacking us (or funding the attacks). This is the real quote if you want to get your sh1t right DD... "Therefore nothing you say matters since you would rather see innocent people murdered as a result of a jihad versus taking to task those that would see the destablization of democracies. " See, it's like Rainbow calling Bush a Baby Murderer because of the war, but my example is less exaggerated. If you support the Muslim Jihad and think we should have just sat back after thousands of our people where brutally murdered, then you are pro-terrorist that would rather see innocent people murdered than the terrorists taken to task. Hmmm... so, let's see if you can start taking things in context.
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pidaua Knowflake Posts: 67 From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 12, 2006 03:38 PM
I must repeat what I had written in my first post:" I was just going to post this!!! Oh yeah, I absolutely anticipate all the BS from our leftie friends. A story will be concocted demonstrating that this dude was already dead, but because Bush's ratings are down, the adminstration decided to 'say he was killed in an air raid" and pulled his body out of the freezer. OR....
It was a look alike- again planted by the CIA on behalf of the Bush administration to make Republican's look good. " _______________________ Thanks to the Lefties on this thread for NOT letting us down. LOL... you all provided such a great laugh in that you did just what we anticipated with your conspiracy theories.. I am wondering how many here have seen dead bodies after a bomb has gone off? How many have pulled intact bodies out of the wreckage, from under rubble and made notes of how they are supposed to look? Hmmm.... well, maybe once the expertise has been reached one can say what a dead body looks like after going through a bombing, drowning etc... For now I will believe the forensic pathologists before I believe people here that have never even witnessed a dead animal carcass let alone a dead body. Also, for those giving expert advice on how the terrain is, I wonder if you've been there and led missions to capture such "bad guys" If one is such an expert, what is one doing just posting their opinion on the war instead of lending a helping hand to the effort? Couldn't ONE become a part of a contracting unit? Hmmm... I think so, but it is just too damn cushy to sit here at a computer saying how easy it would be to get those dirty rascals than having to get ones hands dirty. LMAO IP: Logged |
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posted June 12, 2006 10:56 PM
Pid...with her predictable "style" and "grace," articulated shrewishly.... quote: Rainbow, when you have something valuable to contribute please feel free to open that trap of yours......
Pid...
Until it's established that you are "the decider" here.... ......kindly refrain from your compelling urges... ...which clearly reveal your need to be a control freak! I hate to burst your bubble....but you do not have the authority to determine what IS..and what IS NOT...of value in my posts. It's an illusion.... IP: Logged |
DayDreamer unregistered
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posted June 13, 2006 08:58 PM
Rainbow ...thank you for the kind words. You're a sweet heart  Pid, I see where you're coming from. But, Im still against this war your government started. quote: If you support the Muslim Jihad and think we should have just sat back after thousands of our people where brutally murdered, then you are pro-terrorist that would rather see innocent people murdered than the terrorists taken to task.
What relevance does this statement have? Sorry, you're not proving any point to me with this. That's exactly what the so called "terrorists" fighting back in Iraq think of you. IP: Logged |
ozonefiller Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted June 14, 2006 07:02 AM
This is Zarqawi's safehouse after the blast: [ Here is the dead Zarqawi laying on some rubble: Looks pretty dead to me, doesn't look like he's conscious either, but he sure looks great! I never knew that Muslims were more impervious to bomb blasts then the very houses that they live in. I guess it's due to all those "suicide bombings" that make them so immuned to such! Here's another picture of the dead Zarqawi, but it looks like he's on a bed this time, or maybe that is the stretcher that he's trying to escape off of: Yep, still looks pretty dead to me, but with more wounds from that blast! WOW! Muslims seem to still bleed after they are dead! That's just way so amazing! Can anyone explain this?!? IP: Logged |
ozonefiller Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted June 14, 2006 07:42 AM
Now please by all means, I don't want people to get the wrong idea about any of this, but I have always believe that once you are dead, you remain dead. But to look at it in an open-minded way, we do manage to have unexplainable effects like that of.... of.... "Spontaneous human combustion" for instance. If we really have something like that, I'm sure that Zarqawi woke up right out from the dead and tried to escape from the stretcher that he happen to be on at time!I guess that you can say that it is true from what the heading of Rotten.com trys to tell us: "When hELL is full, the dead will walk the earth"! IP: Logged |
TINK unregistered
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posted June 14, 2006 10:00 AM
I'm not seeing "more wounds", Ozone. Where?IP: Logged |
Venusian Love unregistered
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posted June 14, 2006 10:12 AM
quote: I can handle anything.. I'm an American
Corny 
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ozonefiller Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted June 14, 2006 11:22 AM
I guess that you can say that they are the same wounds Tink, but maybe I just didn't notice them before you know.Then maybe those military officials had them colored in, all the propaganda specialists had to follow the numbers better. That's all, maybe. IP: Logged |
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posted June 14, 2006 11:37 AM
lol @ VL...i for one enjoy the levity you bring to GU...you don't mince words...  and your sometime offensive manners have an oddly endearing charm. be well. IP: Logged |
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posted June 14, 2006 12:11 PM
It was a sincere question, Ozone. No sarcasm. Promise  The lighting in the pic is certainly different, but the wounds seem exactly the same to me. I wondered if I was missing something. IP: Logged |
Planet_Soul unregistered
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posted June 14, 2006 03:35 PM
Yeah I noticed that too. The wounds are in the same areas, the lighting must be different. In the first picture, they appear to be bruises. In the second, the splattered blood is more evident. Had to take a second look, but yeah it looks like the same mess overall. IP: Logged |
Bear the Leo Newflake Posts: 8 From: Germany Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 14, 2006 04:08 PM
I can shed some light on your question of why the pictures are different. 1. The first picture is from the site of the bombing. Where there is not any proper lighting and if you have been there you would know their lighting isnt very good especially outside the houses. Thats why the face is a little dark. All the scars are in the same areas. A 500 lbs bomb isnt like a missle. Yes it does make a big flash and loud bang cause some rubble. None of you folks are experts on what someone looks like after a blast or a firefight (thats military for engagement with weapons for those of you that dont know)has happened. So how are you going to question the legitamacy of the pictures? 2. The second picture is more than likely at a Mortuary or Hospital with proper lighting. The folks there will confirm that it is Zarqawi by comparing dental records if he had any (He probably did since he was a Luitenant in Al-Quida), fingerprints, and any other identifying features. Thats why the picture is brighter and clearer. The Iraqi Military actually had him (Zarqawi) detained a while back and said they didnt know who he was so they released him. The country there is still a few years behind our technology but the folks there are very smart and learn from their mistakes, and are very adaptable. ------------------ You are dismissed, Be gone!! IP: Logged |
ozonefiller Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted June 14, 2006 06:05 PM
No sarcasm taken there Tink, what I meant to say is that there is a good possibility that you are right and that I didn't notice it the first time that I've looked, but that doesn't dismiss some facts here though, which I'm about to ask Bear the Leo.Bear the Leo I would like to ask of you that first of all that of the first photo of Zarqawi is in fact for certain that he is dead and if he is, isn't that rubble that he laying on and not a stretcher and that he is already dead just by looking at the first photo of Zarqawi? The second question that I would like to ask you is, if Zarqawi isn't dead, why is it that he has no expressions on his face of being in any kind of pain from the blast. Officials and doctors in the news interviews state that Zarqari was conscious at the time after the blast, shouldn't he be screaming his bloody head off from the agony alone? The third question that I would like to ask of you Bear the Leo is the possibility of the damage that can be done with two 500 pound bombs against concrete compared to the damage thereof by human flesh, is it possible for a human body to be intact like that? And if it is possible, is it then possible for a body to be mobile enough to try to move out of a stretcher like the one that he was on? Forth question that I like to ask of you Bear the Leo is: How much damage can a 500 lbs bomb do to a human body within the possible radious of say... 40x30 square ft of width and maybe of approximately 40 ft in height of a closed area, like that of maybe a "ranch home" sort of like the same size of Zarqawi's safehouse? Just want to know. IP: Logged |
pidaua Knowflake Posts: 67 From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 14, 2006 06:32 PM
I'm sure he'll have the answers when he gets back on in the morning since he's posting from overseas. As to the body - The vibrations from the bomb blast and subsequent infliction of minor bruising can result without major bodily contortion (please feel free to look it up on the CDC side well as "morbidity and mortality"). One does not always die with facial expressions contorted in pain. That is laughable. Have you been around alot of bodies or seen crime scene photos? Well, I have seen too many of the photo kind to want to even get into. My ex hubby was the commander of forensic services and the only blood spatter expert in the Mid-Atlantic - he was just on America's most wanted detailing a murder in Maryland- in any case... I have had the displeasure if seeing the photographed faces of victims, stabbed in the neck - by surprise, bludgeoned to death, raped, mutilated with various objects in places where they should never be, and regular deaths by gunshot, strangulation (usually the one that does cause facial contortion). If you have ever seen an animal get hit by a car and still walk - yet later die, you'll know how the body can be wracked with pain on the inside, bleeding out, yet show almost little or no outward sign of distress. It is great to play armchair forensic scientist and question the lighting - yet people experienced in this kind of trauma understand what to look for and what happens. Most of those people have been in combat situation or trained in those sitautions - Don't discount Bear's background it's pretty enlightening.
In any case... for everyone that is too lazy to look up the CDC's info on bomb blasts...here ya go: Pay close attention to what they say is the survival rate (for a short period of time) with specific blasts: _______________________________ Explosions and Blast Injuries A Primer for Clinicians
Key Concepts • Bombs and explosions can cause unique patterns of injury seldom seen outside combat.
• The predominant post explosion injuries among survivors involve standard penetrating and blunt trauma. Blast lung is the most common fatal injury among initial survivors. • Explosions in confined spaces (mines, buildings, or large vehicles) and/or structural collapse are associated with greater morbidity and mortality. • Half of all initial casualties will seek medical care over a one-hour period. This can be useful to predict demand for care and resource needs. • Expect an “upside-down” triage - the most severely injured arrive after the less injured, who bypass EMS triage and go directly to the closest hospitals. Background
Explosions can produce unique patterns of injury seldom seen outside combat. When they do occur, they have the potential to inflict multi-system life-threatening injuries on many persons simultaneously. The injury patterns following such events are a product of the composition and amount of the materials involved, the surrounding environment, delivery method (if a bomb), the distance between the victim and the blast, and any intervening protective barriers or environmental hazards. Because explosions are relatively infrequent, blast-related injuries can present unique triage, diagnostic, and management challenges to providers of emergency care. Few U.S. health professionals have experience with explosive-related injuries. Vietnam era physicians are retiring, other armed conflicts have been short-lived, and until this past decade, the U.S. was largely spared of the scourge of mega-terrorist attacks. This primer introduces information relevant to the care of casualties from explosives and blast injuries. As the risk of terrorist attacks increases in the U.S., disaster response personnel must understand the unique pathophysiology of injuries associated with explosions and must be prepared to assess and treat the people injured by them. Classification of Explosives Explosives are categorized as high-order explosives (HE) or low-order explosives (LE). HE produce a defining supersonic over-pressurization shock wave. Examples of HE include TNT, C-4, Semtex, nitroglycerin, dynamite, and ammonium nitrate fuel oil (ANFO). LE create a subsonic explosion and lack HE’s over-pressurization wave. Examples of LE include pipe bombs, gunpowder, and most pure petroleum-based bombs such as Molotov cocktails or aircraft improvised as guided missiles. HE and LE cause different injury patterns. Explosive and incendiary (fire) bombs are further characterized based on their source. “Manufactured” implies standard military-issued, mass produced, and quality-tested weapons. “Improvised” describes weapons produced in small quantities, or use of a device outside its intended purpose, such as converting a commercial aircraft into a guided missile. Manufactured (military) explosive weapons are exclusively HE-based. Terrorists will use whatever is available – illegally obtained manufactured weapons or improvised explosive devices (also known as “IEDs”) that may be composed of HE, LE, or both. Manufactured and improvised bombs cause markedly different injuries. Blast Injuries The four basic mechanisms of blast injury are termed as primary, secondary, tertiary, and quaternary (Table 1). “Blast Wave” (primary) refers to the intense over-pressurization impulse created by a detonated HE. Blast injuries are characterized by anatomical and physiological changes from the direct or reflective over-pressurization force impacting the body’s surface. The HE “blast wave” (over-pressure component) should be distinguished from “blast wind” (forced super-heated air flow). The latter may be encountered with both HE and LE.
Table 1: Mechanisms of Blast Injury Category Characteristics Body Part Affected Types of Injuries
Primary Unique to HE, results from the impact of the overpressurization wave with body surfaces. Gas filled structures are most susceptible - lungs, GI tract, and middle ear - Blast lung (pulmonary barotrauma) - TM rupture and middle ear damage - Abdominal hemorrhage and perforation - Globe (eye) rupture - Concussion (TBI without physical signs of head injury) Secondary Results from flying debris and bomb fragments Any body part may be affected - Penetrating ballistic (fragmentation) or blunt injuries -Eye penetration (can be occult) Tertiary Results from individuals being thrown by the blast wind Any body part may be affected - Fracture and traumatic amputation - Closed and open brain injury Quaternary - All explosion-related injuries, illnesses, or diseases not due to primary, secondary, or tertiary mechanisms. - Includes exacerbation or complications of existing conditions. Any body part may be affected - Burns (flash, partial, and full thickness) - Crush injuries - Closed and open brain injury - Asthma, COPD, or other breathing problems from dust, smoke, or toxic fumes - Angina - Hyperglycemia, hypertension LE are classified differently because they lack the self-defining HE over-pressurization wave. LE’s mechanisms of injuries are characterized as due from ballistics (fragmentation), blast wind (not blast wave), and thermal. There is some overlap between LE descriptive mechanisms and HE’s Secondary, Tertiary, and Quaternary mechanisms. Table 2: Overview of Explosive-related Injuries System Injury or Condition Auditory TM rupture, ossicular disruption, cochlear damage, foreign body Eye, Orbit, Face Perforated globe, foreign body, air embolism, fractures Respiratory Blast lung, hemothorax, pneumothorax, pulmonary contusion and hemorrhage, A-V fistulas (source of air embolism), airway epithelial damage, a spiration pneumonitis, sepsis Digestive Bowel perforation, hemorrhage, ruptured liver or spleen, sepsis, mesenteric ischemia from air embolism Circulatory Cardiac contusion, myocardial infarction from air embolism, shock, vasovagal hypotension, peripheral vascular injury, air embolism-induced injury CNS injury Concussion, closed and open brain injury, stroke, spinal cord injury, air embolism-induced injury Renal Injury Renal contusion, laceration, acute renal failure due to rhabdomyolysis, hypotension, and hypovolemia Extremity injury Traumatic amputation, fractures, crush injuries, compartment syndrome, burns, cuts, lacerations, acute arterial occlusion, air embolism-induced injury Note: Up to 10% of all blast survivors have significant eye injuries. These injuries involve perforations from high-velocity projectiles, can occur with minimal initial discomfort, and present for care days, weeks, or months after the event. Symptoms include eye pain or irritation, foreign body sensation, altered vision, periorbital swelling or contusions. Findings can include decreased visual acuity, hyphema, globe perforation, subconjunctival hemorrhage, foreign body, or lid lacerations. Liberal referral for ophthalmologic screening is encouraged. Selected Blast Injuries Lung Injury “Blast lung” is a direct consequence of the HE over-pressurization wave. It is the most common fatal primary blast injury among initial survivors. Signs of blast lung are usually present at the time of initial evaluation, but they have been reported as late as 48 hours after the explosion. Blast lung is characterized by the clinical triad of apnea, bradycardia, and hypotension. Pulmonary injuries vary from scattered petechae to confluent hemorrhages. Blast lung should be suspected for anyone with dyspnea, cough, hemoptysis, or chest pain following blast exposure. Blast lung produces a characteristic “butterfly” pattern on chest X-ray. A chest Xray is recommended for all exposed persons and a prophylactic chest tube (thoracostomy) is recommended before general anesthesia or air transport is indicated if blast lung is suspected. Ear Injury Primary blast injuries of the auditory system cause significant morbidity, but are easily overlooked. Injury is dependent on the orientation of the ear to the blast. TM perforation is the most common injury to the middle ear. Signs of ear injury are usually present at time of initial evaluation and should be suspected for anyone presenting with hearing loss, tinnitus, otalgia, vertigo, bleeding from the external canal, TM rupture, or mucopurulent otorhea. All patients exposed to blast should have an otologic assessment and audiometry. Abdominal Injury Gas-containing sections of the GI tract are most vulnerable to primary blast effect. This can cause immediate bowel perforation, hemorrhage (ranging from small petechiae to large hematomas), mesenteric shear injuries, solid organ lacerations, and testicular rupture. Blast abdominal injury should be suspected in anyone exposed to an explosion with abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting, hematemesis, rectal pain, tenesmus, testicular pain, unexplained hypovolemia, or any findings suggestive of an acute abdomen. Clinical findings may be absent until the onset of complications. Brain Injury Primary blast waves can cause concussions or mild traumatic brain injury (MTBI) without a direct blow to the head. Consider the proximity of the victim to the blast particularly when given complaints of headache, fatigue, poor concentration, lethargy, depression, anxiety, insomnia, or other constitutional symptoms. The symptoms of concussion and post traumatic stress disorder can be similar. Emergency Management Options • Follow your hospital’s and regional disaster system’s plan. • Expect an “upside-down” triage - the most severely injured arrive after the less injured, who by-pass EMS triage and go directly to the closest hospitals. • Double the first hour’s casualties for a rough prediction of total “first wave” of casualties. • Obtain and record details about the nature of the explosion, potential toxic exposures and environmental hazards, and casualty location from police, fire, EMS, ICS Commander, regional EMA, health department, and reliable news sources. • If structural collapse occurs, expect increased severity and delayed arrival of casualties. Medical Management Options • Blast injuries are not confined to the battlefield. They should be considered for any victim exposed to an explosive force. • Clinical signs of blast-related abdominal injuries can be initially silent until signs of acute abdomen or sepsis are advanced. • Standard penetrating and blunt trauma to any body surface is the most common injury seen among survivors. Primary blast lung and blast abdomen are associated with a high mortality rate. “Blast Lung” is the most common fatal injury among initial survivors. • Blast lung presents soon after exposure. It can be confirmed by finding a “butterfly” pattern on chest X-ray. Prophylactic chest tubes (thoracostomy) are recommended prior to general anesthesia and/or air transport. • Auditory system injuries and concussions are easily overlooked. The symptoms of mild TBI and posttraumatic stress disorder can be identical. • Isolated TM rupture is not a marker of morbidity; however, traumatic amputation of any limb is a marker for multi-system injuries. • Air embolism is common, and can present as stroke, MI, acute abdomen, blindness, deafness, spinal cord injury, or claudication. Hyperbaric oxygen therapy may be effective in some cases. • Compartment syndrome, rhabdomyolysis, and acute renal failure are associated with structural collapse, prolonged extrication, severe burns, and some poisonings. • Consider the possibility of exposure to inhaled toxins and poisonings (e.g., CO, CN, MetHgb) in both industrial and criminal explosions. • Wounds can be grossly contaminated. Consider delayed primary closure and assess tetanus status. Ensure close follow-up of wounds, head injuries, eye, ear, and stress-related complaints. • Communications and instructions may need to be written because of tinnitus and sudden temporary or permanent deafness. Selected Readings Auf der Heide E. Disaster Response: Principles of Preparation and Coordination Disaster Response: Principles of Preparation and Coordination http://216.202.128.19/dr/flash.htm Quenemoen LE, Davis, YM, Malilay J, Sinks T, Noji EK, and Klitzman S. The World Trade Center bombing: injury prevention strategies for high-rise building fires. Disasters 1996;20:125–32. Wightman JM and Gladish SL. Explosions and blast injuries. Annals of Emergency Medicine; June 2001; 37(6): 664-p678. Stein M and Hirshberg A. Trauma Care in the New Millinium: Medical Consequences of Terrorism, the Conventional Weapon Threat. Surgical Clinics of North America. Dec 1999; Vol 79 (6). Phillips YY. Primary Blast Injuries. Annals of Emergency Medicine; 1986, Dec; 106 (15); 1446-50. Hogan D, et al. Emergency Department Impact of the Oklahoma City Terrorist Bombing. Annals of Emergency Medicine; August 1999; 34 (2), pp Mallonee S, et al. Physical Injuries and Fatalities Resulting From the Oklahoma City Bombing. Journal of the American Medical Association; August 7, 1996; 276 (5); 382- 387. Leibovici D, et al. Blast injuries: bus versus open-air bombings—a comparative study of injuries in survivors of open-air versus confined-space explosions. J Trauma; 1996, Dec; 41 (6): 1030-5. Katz E, et al. Primary blast injury after a bomb explosion in a civilian bus. Ann Surg; 1989 Apr; 209 (4): 484-8. Hill JF. Blast injury with particular reference to recent terrorists bombing incidents. Annals of the Royal College of Surgeons of England 1979;61:411. Landesman LY, Malilay J, Bissell RA, Becker SM, Roberts L, Ascher MS. Roles and responsibilities of public health in disaster preparedness and response. In: Novick LF, Mays GP, editors. Public Health Administration: Principles for Population-based Management. Gaithersburg (MD): Aspen Publishers; 2001. This Explosives Primer was developed from published and unpublished sources. If quoted, please cite date and time as changes will be made as new information becomes available or is cleared for public distribution.
http://www.bt.cdc.gov/masstrauma/explosions.asp
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pidaua Knowflake Posts: 67 From: Back in AZ with Bear the Leo Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 14, 2006 06:41 PM
Rainbow, as it is a free country, I will say what I want, when I want and I really could care less if you like it or not. Salome said: "lol @ VL... i for one enjoy the levity you bring to GU...you don't mince words... and your sometime offensive manners have an oddly endearing charm. be well." Ugh.... please tell me you're being sarcastic? The woman calls people vulgar racist names and has been banned 9 times now. Remember the saying "If you lie with dogs, you catch fleas"
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ozonefiller Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted June 14, 2006 10:48 PM
quote: One does not always die with facial expressions contorted in pain. That is laughable. Have you been around alot of bodies or seen crime scene photos?
To re-post this second question, I was asking Bear the Leo: quote: The second question that I would like to ask you is, if Zarqawi isn't dead, why is it that he has no expressions on his face of being in any kind of pain from the blast. Officials and doctors in the news interviews state that Zarqari was conscious at the time after the blast, shouldn't he be screaming his bloody head off from the agony alone?
This means Pid, that I'm asking if Zarqawi is still alive(I should have said "was at the time", but you know what I mean), why doesn't he show any signs of pain whatsoever? I didn't mean that he was dead. According to the claims of some, Zarqawi was in a conscious state, but then again, there is alot of claims for those moments of his death(s): "In March 2004, an insurgent group in Iraq issued a statement saying that Zarqawi had been killed in April 2003. The statement said that he was unable to escape the missile attack because of his prosthetic leg. His followers claimed he was killed in a US bombing raid in the north of Iraq [34]. The claim that Zarqawi had been killed in northern Iraq "at the beginning of the war," and that subsequent use of his name was a useful myth, was repeated in September 2005 by Sheikh Jawad Al-Khalessi, a Shiite imam. [35] On May 24, 2005, it was reported on an Islamic website that a deputy would take command of Al-Qaeda while Zarqawi recovered from injuries sustained in an attack. Later that week the Iraqi government confirmed that Zarqawi had been wounded by U.S. forces, although the battalion did not realize it at the time. The extent of his injuries is not known, although some radical Islamic websites called for prayers for his health. There are reports that a local hospital treated a man, suspected to be Zarqawi, with severe injuries. He was also said to have subsequently left Iraq for a neighbouring country, accompanied by two physicians. However, later that week the radical Islamic website retracted its report about his injuries and claimed that he was in fine health and was running the jihad operation. In an September 16, 2005 article published by Le Monde, Sheikh Jawad Al-Kalesi claimed that al-Zarqawi was killed in the Kurdish northern region of Iraq at the beginning of the US-led war on the country as he was meeting with members of the Ansar al-Islam group affiliated to al-Qaeda. Al-Kalesi also claimed "His family in Jordan even held a ceremony after his death." He also claimed that "Zarqawi has been used as a ploy by the United States, as an excuse to continue the occupation. saying that it was a pretext so they don't leave Iraq." [36] On November 20, 2005, some news sources reported that Zarqawi may have been killed in a coalition assault on a house in Mosul; five of those in the house were killed in the assault while the other three died through using 'suicide belts' of explosives. United States and British soldiers searched the remains[37], with U.S. forces using DNA samples to identify the dead. [38] However, none of those remains belonged to him." Zarqawi Resurrected BUT... "On June 8, 2006, coalition forces confirmed that Zarqawi's body was identified by facial recognition, fingerprinting, known scars and tattoos.[45][46] They also announced the death of one of his key lieutenants, spiritual adviser Sheik Abd-Al-Rahman.[47] Initially, the U.S. military reported that Zarqawi was killed directly in the attack. However, according to a statement made the following day by Major General William Caldwell of the U.S. Army, Zarqawi survived for a short time after the bombing, mumbling a few words that none of those in hearing range could understand and attempting to roll off the stretcher in an apparent escape bid. Those carrying him re-secured him to the stretcher and he then died from his injuries.[48] An Iraqi man, who claims to have arrived on the scene a few moments after the attack, said he saw U.S. troops beating up the badly-wounded but still alive Zarqawi.[49][50] In contradiction, Caldwell asserted that when U.S. troops found Zarqawi barely alive they tried to provide him with medical help, rejecting the allegations that he was beaten based on an autopsy performed. The account of the Iraqi witness has not been verified.[51] All others in the house died immediately in the blasts. On June 12, 2006 It was reported that an autopsy performed by the U.S. military revealed that the cause of death to Zarqawi was a blast injury to the lungs, but he took nearly an hour to die.[5]" Which Death? Here's another photo of the remains of the safehouse that Zarqawi was in, which it is hard to claim in any legitimate way how is it that two 500-pound (230kg)laser-guided GBU-12 and GPS-guided GBU-38 bombs were able to do this amount of damage, but seems to leave Zarqawi almost intact like that, nonetheless leave him conscious enough to be mobile in any way: That is concrete, steel, possibly wood plastic and remains of cloth. This is flesh, blood and bone. How did this become more intact then the safehouse that it was in after such a bomb blast?
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ozonefiller Newflake Posts: 0 From: Registered: Aug 2009
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posted June 14, 2006 10:50 PM
The rubble photo didn't come up, I'll try again. IP: Logged | |