posted August 16, 2006 11:43 PM              

....I have not been here for awhile at Global Unity, and my 'vacation' from this place has done wonders for me...I feel like a new person...all clean and shiny....

It's amazing how things can change for the better, once one removes one's self from a den filled with toxic venom that is so chokingly thick it can become blinding.....

.....SOOOO blinding it's difficult to find one's way out of a hellish place where one hears humiliating condemnations directed at one's self such as "freakaziod" "old hag" "sick twisted twit" "idiot queen" and more....

I did finally manage to walk out of here though, and for my own peace of mind and serenity, it's one of the best things I've ever done....

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One thing has been bugging me tho, and so....

....I did have to make one more return visit (before I leave for good), to address once again, your charge Pid, that.......

I WAS JEALOUS OF YOU AND YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS!

To quote you Pid....as you direct your comment to me....

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I realize you are intensely jealous of me because of my accomplishments

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Now I want to clear up once and for all, that I am not intensely jealous of you and your accomplishments (It's still hard to believe that you said such a thing!)

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First Pid, let me ask you something?

Has anyone ever asked for YOUR autograph?

No?

Well let me tell you something....they used to stand in long lines for MINE.... .....and I used to sign for my fans until my hand hurt!

You see, there was a time in my life when I had a certain degree of "fame" which covered ALL of mid and western Michigan as well as northern Indiana.....

.....and this was due to appearing regularly on a local TV show out of Kalamazoo, Michigan.

These were the days before cable TV and multiple channels from which one could choose...

....so there were only two channels available in this area back then.....one in Grand Rapids, and one in Kalamazoo, so we had a HUGE audience. (cuz people were either watching us or them)

I appeared on that show once a week for five years...

.....and because of the HUGE audience my sister and I (she sang with me) found it difficult to go out in public at that time, without being recognized!

(when your face appears on thousands of people's TV screens week after week for years - that happens!)

....and ya know what? It's was a rush!

It's was pretty heady stuff...

I really got off on it - at the time....well, because I was just a teen-ager.

At that time in my life, those were the kinds of things that were important to me...(and oh yeah, don't forget about being Homecoming Queen)....

As a result of this, my sister and I, and the band that we sang with opened acts for huge stars that came to the area to entertain, not only putting us on the same venue with them, but allowing us to "mingle" with them...(nice folks all, I might add).....

We also made TV appearances in Chicago, Toledo and Nashville, promoting our record....

Now - another question Pid....

Has anyone ever started a fan club in YOUR honor?

Well there was one organized in MY honor...yes Pid...My sister and I had a fan club.

People paid money to the president of our fan club, so that they could join and would get in return, an autographed 8xl0 glossy picture of us as well as four fan clubs journals a year, with the latest news in it about where we were appearing and stories about different country music stars...

Have you ever made a recording for a major record label?

Well I did....My sis and I released a recording for MERCURY....

....and it was played on many radio stations...not only in the U.S. but all over the world....I know because the record company would pay us a certain amount everytime there was "air play" so we had a documentation of every radio station it was played on...Germany and Japan included.

It was a very enjoyable time in my life that I would not trade for anything (including your life, which I'm supposed to be jealous of)....

This wonderful memory filled time in my life came to a close when I chose to have a family and children instead of continuing a career in country music.

I also would not trade the choice I made, for anything in the world...some beautiful and adorable children, and grandchildren have resulted from this choice....

(and you think I'm jealous of YOU!)

Now Pid, one more question....

Does the museum in your hometown .....have a permanent exhibit featuring YOU and honoring YOUR early accomplishments?

"No," you say?

Well, the museum in my hometown does that for me....

You'll find it in the Native American section of the museum.

It is an exhibit at the DeVos Museum in Grand Rapids, Michigan featuring my sister Kathy and I, and honoring our accomplishments as "television pioneers" in the area.

You'll find pictures of us in the exhibit, as well as one of our fan club magazines, also one of our records (yeah a 45 rpm plastic thingy), my sister's guitar and even dresses we wore on the show, not to mention an adorable story about us...This is all behind a huge glass window...many people tour this museum daily.

You can find this exhibit at the DeVos Museum in Grand Rapids, Michigan, right next door to the Gerald Ford Museum.

It IS a permanent exhibit and is there for our children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren to view....

Do you think YOUR grandchildren will be viewing exhibits featuring YOU and YOUR accomplishments (which I'm supposed to jealous of) in a museum???

Of course Pid, I fully expect you to chide me about "my age" (as you have in the past as you seem to think it is one of the things you can use to degrade me, somehow) and how it probably was black and white TV....because of being the "old days."

Yes, it WAS black and white TV when we started. Black and white and live.

Before we left the show however, it was color and on video tape.

And yes, I'm probably one of the oldest knowflakes posting on these forums, if not THE oldest. (somehow you like to make fun of that, as tho it were something to be ashamed of - and I feel so sorry for you Pid, with very shallow values like that!), and please know right now that I'm NOT ashamed of it in spite of your efforts to make me ashamed of it...

Anyway Pid....just wanted to let you know that with some of the great experiences I've had in my life and am still having, there is NO WAY, I could ever be jealous of you...

(altho because of your super inflated ego, you may still believe that....dream on, little girl!)

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I'd like to apologize to the other "normal" knowflakes here for what looks like blowing my own horn (and yeah, I guess I did do a bit of that *sigh*), but I needed to really let pid know just WHY I am NOT jealous of her and her accomplishments as she so goofily accused.

Spiritual experiences too personal to share, are also good reasons I'd rather be me...than...ah well you know who...too

It's difficult to envision the much needed "global unity" when we can't even find unity here on this small forum.

I will make my contribution by leaving GU - at least until sanity is restored....

posted August 17, 2006 12:30 AM            

And incidentally, even though I disagree with you 99% of the time here, I think both you and Pid have plenty of accomplishments to be proud of.

posted August 17, 2006 12:40 AM            

Hope to see you around the rest of LL, .

posted August 17, 2006 12:47 AM              

I can't imagine anyone believing that claim pidaua made. I wouldn't be surprised if she said it out of anger.

I haven't been able to find much enlightenment here in GU. I've been contemplating leaving LL for good, and think I'll join you soon.

posted August 17, 2006 04:03 AM              

Spend some time on the beach or something - enjoy the fading summer days.

posted August 17, 2006 02:28 PM            

Rainbow decided to jump in and bash me on those accomplishments and then turned the entire conversation to me having a big head, being full of myself, being arrogant etc... then she came up with the title "Barney Fife", a character that is loathsome, especially in Rainbows eyes.

I am sick and tired of this going back and forth with someone that won't read a damn post and understand the content.

If YOU or anyone else challenges a person to prove who they are and prove their background- don't become a jerk when they do it.

Rainbow slips right back into her Martyr complex again and again when things start to look bad for her.

She cannot accept responsibility for her actions and blames her calling someone names on the other person making her angry, she even blames her Mars placement for her anger.

Guess what folks, if you are going to call someone a name- own up to it, don't be a coward and hide behind the lie that THEY MADE ME DO IT.

Don't call someone a lowlife characters name and say that is not name calling.

We aren't idiots here.

For the record Rainbow- I didn't discount your accomplishments - I did say you were jealous of mine as you brought it up over and over on various threads.

You need some serious help- I feel sorry for you having to start a thread like this. You do this for attention and we can all see it.

Let me tell you this as well Rainbow- this is NOT the first time you have cried wolf and threatened to leave only to come back again. Each time you leave you pick someone to blame.

The truth is you can't handle people calling you out for the misleading articles you post and for the outright lies that you endore.

I have put up with you making references to my female parts, you calling me a drag queen, telling me how ugly I am - YET I don't see ANY of those references in your bleeding heart post.

AS far as your accomplishments, I don't care. Big deal you have a fan club- I was part of scientific team that discovered an environmentally safe larvicide that kills fly larvae, thus saving the ag industry millions while benefiting the environment.

I was responsible for the safety of over 500 animals at the large East Coast research University.

You may have played Mother Goose, that's great. I write grants so that teachers will become highly qualified in their content area, for poor rural school districts that can't write their own grants. I direct the ed services agency to provide much needed training in Science, Math, Writing and Reading. Before that I wrote the entire county Emergency Response plan in the case of a biological, chemical or natural event.

So no... I never cared about getting "face" time. Being an actor, musician or famous artist means nothing to me. Being able to provide for my community or to make the lives better or safer for people is what matters.

I don't get awards, TV time or anything else and I DON'T CARE..

Maybe that is the difference, I don't gauge my accomplishments on how many people clap when I enter a room. I am happy to be behind the scenes or in front when I am working on behalf of my causes / educators / science...

When I was 16 I had the chance to join a modeling agency- after talking with my family I said no. The glamour never tempted me- science did.

I dreamed of discovering a cure for a disease.. not seeing my face plastered on magazines or having a fan club.

Good Riddance... I am sure this is something that will make many of the leftests blame me as well. You already have DD the anti-American, terrorist supporter on your side, let's wait for the usual crew.

posted August 17, 2006 07:36 PM              

....in response to what you say here...

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If YOU or anyone else challenges a person to prove who they are and prove their background- don't become a jerk when they do it.

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I've NEVER challenged you to PROVE your background Pid.....nor would I EVER challenge ANYONE here to prove their background.

I have more respect for people than that.

However, it doesn't take long for me to lose respect for them once they sink to ugly name calling, even if it is the only way they know how to handle debate.

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....and I concede that your scientific contributions to the world are admirable; way more admirable without a doubt, than being famous, for having a musical talent.

But for reasons only HE knows.....

God gave you a talent for scientific study which took you in the direction you wanted to go, and He gave me musical talent which took me in the direction I wanted to go.....and they are waaay too different directions......

.....and since I've never had any aspirations to study science, doesn't it seem highly unlikely that I would be jealous of someone who excelled in the study in which I have no interest at all???

Still, I felt I needed to let you know about my "accomplishments" which aren't too shabby, and in fact very fulfilling, thereby leaving no room to be "jealous" of anyone else's accomplishments.

I make no apoligies....

I'm rather proud when my grandchildren go into the museum, and see their "mima" there, and what she has done in her life....

.....and it's not ME who is the sad, sad, person, Pid....

The sad, sad, person is you who needs to hone her sociability skills to the point where they match her claimed scientific ones...

If your dabbling in science is as careless as your dabbling in people skills, we're in trouble..

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Ps....my son has been writing grants for years....so you're not really impressing me, Pid...

Another PS.....Mother Goose came Waaay after the TV show I was talking about in my first post..........those cable access shows I produced were a result of some creative energy that needed an outlet.....and while the audience for that show was no where as big as the audience we had for appearances on the regular TV station, I did have a following for that one too.......

Have fun here in my absence, Pid......you'll still have plenty of other targets to bash, for which I'm sorry...

posted August 17, 2006 07:59 PM              

DayDreamer thanks for your support....

I will not be returning to GU, but whle here, just wanted to let you know how much I've always admired Arundhati Roy.....much like Queen Noor.......both brilliant women...

BleakBeauty..... .....lioneye....

posted August 17, 2006 08:18 PM            

Then YOU took it upon yourself to call ME names.

I WILL post that thread for you- word for word if I need to in order to prove you are ONCE AGAIN- distorting the truth to bend YOUR desires.

I am glad you are leaving- it is time to stop the lying crap that comes out of your mouth.

And for the record Rainbow, my social skills are very much in tact. Just because I am in science and I write DOES NOT mean I don't go out. You ARE the one the looked on the photo album and made statements about how I look- in almost ALL of those pics I am at a social function, party or some kind of gathering.

I just don't equate my success through "looks" and "fan clubs".

Let's keep in mind writing grants is only a small part of what I do- administering them, keeping track of all 10 of the funds, as well as running a Ed Service agency takes up more of my time. Let's not forget the several organizations I work for on behalf of the community.

posted August 17, 2006 11:31 PM              

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I WILL post that thread for you- word for word if I need to in order to prove you are ONCE AGAIN- distorting the truth to bend YOUR desires.

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OR you could just let it go, Pidaua now that Rainbow is leaving GU.

Johnny has already left GU, Rainbow left and now DD is thinking of leaving GU and LL completely. AG has taken a hiatus from GU as well. I haven't been around here much lately myself but instead on other threads at LL. Since there are arguments and disagreements there as well it does seem that DD has the best solution in mind, leaving LL altogether.

The atmosphere does get quite toxic around here which is why I took a year away from LL myself and just returned this past April. I have been reminded on a daily basis since coming back of why I left for a year. In fact, it is worse here now at GU than it was when I was here before taking a year break from it all.

Like Rainbow, I find myself getting caught up in that and returning the name calling and insults and then feeling bad about it. Then you start to wonder how this is helping any kind of spiritual journey for you or how it is contributing to make the world a better place because it isn't having a positive effect on you. You come to realize that instead of helping to make the world a better place it is only serving to make you a worse person and that you are contributing to what is wrong with the world today.

I like debating and discussing politics with others of differing opinions but not when they show little respect for my views but instead resort to personal attacks. That is not debate or a productive discussion. I realize that you guys do this because the Republican party as a whole employs those tactics in their campaigns and in the Bush administration. They attack and attempt to discredit any opponent and those in the press who dare to print or speak the other side of the issues or question them. It is a whole new precedent that Bush has set for government dealings and I fear what our children are going to grow up to be with role models in leadership roles like that. It is creating a very sick society. Toxicity has a negative effect on all of humanity and normally comes before a demise of a government or a society.

It will be interesting checking back in now and then and reading the posts here with Lotus, Pidaua, Jwhop, Isis and Lioneye talking to themselves. lol

Meanwhile I will continue to work for a change in government and continue to work for a better world in my offline life where it really counts. Which is what I have been doing all along anyway. I know that Johnny, DD, Rainbow and AG are doing the same thing in their offline life where it counts the most and will continue to do so.

posted August 17, 2006 11:50 PM            

However, if you think others here are going to take that kind of bullsh*t without responding you're mistaken Mirandee.

You and others here have been offered discussion and debate. You and your friends chose confrontational personal attacks as your preferred mode.

posted August 18, 2006 01:16 AM            

It's really easy to forget that sometimes the things that irritate us most about others are things that we see reflected in them from ourselves that we either don't like or wish to ignore. And I don't think I'll ever understand why, when some people choose to make an exit from LL, they have to try to drag down the site itself before they go.

posted August 18, 2006 01:32 AM              

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You and others here have been offered discussion and debate. You and your friends chose confrontational personal attacks as your preferred mode

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jwhop....that is sooooo untrue....

It is NOT Mirandee and her friends (of which I am one), who personally attack people here......it is you and Pid who do that.....

We have been guilty of attacking - but ONLY in retaliation...

but even in retaliation....I don't like it....it's not really healthy......that's why I had to get out of here....

Anyone with a lick of sense knows it's not wise to stick around in an climate that is detrimental to their well being.

For those who have the stomach to tolerate the choking, gagging, toxic filled environment that can arise here (not to mention the ones who seem to take great delight in it) good luck to you...

jwhop, I'm sure you still won't lack for "brain-dead" "commie" "lefty" "morons" with whom to argue...for awhile anyway....

Enjoy the chaos!

*******

posted August 18, 2006 08:57 AM              

Mirandee I can't stand double standards and that is one of the reasons I choose to leave this place.

posted August 18, 2006 10:50 AM              

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If there wasn't a constant stream of screeching with virtually every post containing outrageous accusations...against the United States, against Bush and Bush administration officials...then perhaps the tone would be somewhat different here.

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ANYTHING said here that does not agree with your views would be "outrageous accusations," against Bush and administration officials so that kind of puts anyone who doesn't like the way our government is being run at a disadvantage.

It is your choice to personally attack other people and call them names, Jwhop. That comes from within you and you cannot blame others and what they do or say for your behavior. YOU and only YOU are responsible for your own actions and behavior patterns, not other people or what they do or say. YOU have a choice as to how to conduct yourself. That applies to me and everyone else as well.

posted August 18, 2006 11:07 AM              

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To the best of my knowledge, Mirandee, only two people have been banned from LL since I've been here ... and it had nothing at all to do with their political leanings and everything to do with their behavior.

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That being the case, Elanore, why hasn't Pidaua or Jwhop ever been banned for their behavior? Why wasn't Pidaua banned for calling Rainbow a "dribbling old hag?" Do you consider that good behavior for a young woman to say something like to an older woman? Randall did not even so much as give Pidaua a slap on the wrist for that on the thread.

Perhaps it is because Rainbow did not personally request that Pidaua be banned as that has not been the policy of any of us on the liberal side. I have not seen VL around here since that night on the thread when Isis personally suggested she be banned for saying what she did to her. Since VL is no longer here I assume that Isis got her request fulfilled.

Even our Constitutional right to free speech does not imply that people have to put up with verbal abuse. Calling people names and personally attacking their character IS NOT free speech. It is verbal abuse and no one should have to put up with that on a daily basis.

I do not hate Pidaua, in fact, Pid can be when she wants to be, a very nice person and a very caring and compassionate person. I have never questioned her intelligence. I admire her direct manner of speech as I also admire that in DD and Rainbow, in you, Eleanore, and in Isis. In other areas of LL Pidaua often seems to be an entirely different person than she is at GU. It just seems that when the discussion is politics it brings out the worse in Pidaua.

posted August 18, 2006 11:43 AM              

I don't just support Rainbow because she is a friend, although, when someone personally attacks a friend of mine I will defend them as will most other people, but I support Rainbow because she, like you, myself and others have a right to be heard as much as the other side does. You guys are only speaking your mind and giving your opinions and offering material that backs up what you say. Just as those here on the right do. I also defend Rainbow because I know her heart. I know the kind of woman she is. I know your heart too DD as I can see it in your words. It is not our fault if everything that we present here, every article, every opinion, is seen as a direct attack on America, the Bush administration, the right, and the military. No, it's just another side of story. Another viewpoint. Another opinion.

In return for that we do not deserve to have our character judged, be told we do not know God ( and actually it is the person who says that to others who displays more that they are the one who does not know God ) and called every name in the book for having a differing opinion. We are often accused of starting the name calling but anyone can go back and read all the posts and see that is just not true. We do it. True. But if you read the posts it is only after we have been attacked personally. Anyone will defend theirself.

Pidaua, just recently, on another thread got personally attacked regarding her Native American heritage, which was not only insulting to her, unfair and unjust, it was insulting to all of us who have Native American blood. I defended Pidaua for being unjustly attacked and I would do that for anyone because I detest injustice of any kind.

Our government also treats other countries and people unfairly and unjustly. I will not stand by my government or my country when they do that just because it is my country. I will point out the injustice and denounce it. Same applies to any other country that does that. For that reason to be continually accused here for supporting terrorism or being a terrorist sympathizer is a ludicrous charge against me as it is anyone else here who does the same.

I also know that is the injustice that you are pointing out, DD and that Rainbow, AG and VL are pointing out. The other side seems to have the notion that when you point out what is unjust or what is wrong with our government that you hate your country and support who they feel is the enemy of the day, week, or year. That is an "us vs them" type of mentality. However, what it really is on our part, is a more adult type of love for our country rather than a childish type of love of country.

You see, in our relationships with others in authority when we are children we believe that our parents and teachers are always right no matter what they do or say. We just accept that without question. As we become adults we see that our parents and teachers are not always right and that they can be at times, unfair and unjust. So we question them but that does not mean that we love them any less than we did as children. We do the same thing with our partners or spouses. We point out what is wrong in the relationship but only so we can make things better, not because we don't love them.

For that reason I would say that so called "liberals" or "leftists" who point out the wrongs of our government have a more adult type love of country than those on the so called "right" who believe that you should never question or disagree with your country, the "my country right or wrong" kind of thinking. That is a childish type of love of country and that does nothing to help correct what is wrong, unjust or unfair with government. It also opens the door for the destruction of democracy and makes America vulnerable for a possible dictatorial type of leader.

posted August 18, 2006 11:58 AM              

I think, the way it has to be assessed, is based on the level of complaints about a person, as well as the ratio of usefull, thought-filled, relevant posts to purely antagonist, deliberately inflammatory posts.

posted August 18, 2006 12:04 PM              

I am not in favor of banning anyone. I was just questioning why some are banned and others aren't for doing the same things.

I think it is even regarding VL and Pidaua and Jwhop because it was a matter of being done on a daily basis for all three of them.

I do not condone or support VL personally attacking people or her choice of words anymore than I condone it from anyone else and I know I am just as wrong when I do it. For that reason I have chosen to drop the *** for tat policy I have been using as of late because it is not who I am as a person and it is only dragging me down to the same level.

posted August 18, 2006 12:18 PM              

I understand why you have to back off but I wish you all would stay. Not because you are "on my side" but because you all gave us so much food for thought in your posts.

posted August 18, 2006 12:58 PM            

This has been going on between her and I for years. She will make a derogatory statement towards me and I will fight back. She used to edit her posts so it looked like I was attacking without provocation.

Rainbow was there using the IQhunk's quote calling me an angry b1tch and fully endorsing it.

Okay so drooling old hag is now the equivalent of a full on misogynistic remark made towards me by an man that was angry that I challenged him?

Again.. where were YOU when Rainbow was throwing out the term gash?

Now... DayDreamer is welcome to leave- she has called Lioneye a Liar and accused her of posting as Carma B and said she was an ignorant stupid person. First off, Carma is a separate person which I am sure Randall can prove. Carma NEVER called DD ANY NAME.. NONE.. but DD resorted to attacking her. DD then said I have made many offense remarks about her religion, Islam, and should be banned. I asked her to prove it and while she is at it be prepared that anyone that has made a remark about Christians or posted an offensive picture of Christ with Bush's face... etc... should ALSO be banned.

When Isis first came her (I posted those quotes on the KS thread) she was attacked by Rainbow and several other people and they had a blast using her being a Scorp against her. It was Isis against 4 or 5 screeching mimi's.

Oh wait.. there's more. AG used someone's chart without asking for permission while he, Ozone and IQ hunk sat there and dissected it for everyone to see and basically indicated that this person was due for some evil Karma. Yeah, that is an example of such a loving and wonderful person.

I called him on it, he didn't like it. He also was the one that started the secret BS club and proceeded to bash on fellow Knowflakes..

Ah then there is my favorite. HE was the one that challenged my background basically asking me to prove my accomplishment, to which I did.. only to have Rainbow start with her 2 year old antics "Sooooo WHAT PID.. WOW you have to post this about yourself HA HA.. you have such a BIG HEAD!!"

If someone is going to talk smack be prepared for a reponse just like jwhop said.

More conservatives are coming on this board and looking for REAL discussions NOT some useless article that is truncated to say the Presby CHURCH wrote a book against 9-11 when they didn't write it or endorse it at all.

Bear was asked to prove his Military background and state why he was not in Iraq. Once his accomplisments were posted, several of the lefties started to attack him for posting them in the first place.

Isis was asked what seminary she attended, to which she answered none, BUT the topic at hand just so happened to be one that she focused on intensely in school and outside of the Univ.

DayDreamer, Rainbow and even you Mirandee will make blanket statements as though they are fact, when we ask you to prove them all we get is a "SO WHAT!!!" or "I don't have to PROVE anything to you".

But I understand why now. See, in your world you never have to prove a damn thing, but you push conservatives to prove everything. Once we do, you then take our accomplishments and use them against us thereby getting off the real topic and focusing the attack on the person.

Hey good riddance..

You can trust that this forum will go on and succeed without you. As I said before Rainbow has done this MANY MANY MANY times.. and always comes back.

In fact this is usually one of her martyr statements "Oh.. I promised I would take a break here.. you know.. I was also the victim of a ruthless attack by a very hostile knowflake for no apparant reason, so my heart is with you (insert name of poster here). Keep up the good fight.. maybe I will come back, but I am not sure"

There are a few things I absolutely despise that weak women often use. 1) Using sexual favors or the promise of sexual favors to procure items 2) Playing dumb to get what they want and 3) Acting like a helpless victim so that people feel sorry for them and try to comfort them.

It makes ALL of us women look like idiots. I will not stand for that with my friends or coworkers and I sure as hell won't keep quiet while enabling it here.

This is getting OLD and boring. YOU people that keep crying about being attacked need to start taking FULL responsibility for your own actions and quit blaming them on everyone else.

Hell, in your world if a 4 year old child threw a book that hit you, you would be justified to fling it back.. because "They made me do it"