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L Moon
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posted August 28, 2006 04:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Again. More racist comments. I will say it one more time. SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE ABOUT THIS. Otherwise, I am going to have to report this web master for allowing racism and not doing anything about it.

This report summarises the key issues discussed by panellists and observers at the Cyber-racism Symposium. The opinions expressed are those of the participants and do not necessarily represent the position of the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission.
The Symposium participants considered the effectiveness of existing regulation of racial vilification and proposed various suggestions for improvement. The participants also discussed the non-regulatory options available to address cyber-racism. [1]

Contents
1) The impact of cyber-racism on the victims

2) Regulatory problems in dealing with cyber-racism and suggestions for change

a) Jurisdictional issues
i. Overseas authors and/or Internet Service Providers
ii. Internet content scheme
iii. Criminal law

b) Administrative issues
i. Time and resources required by victims
ii. Identifying the proper respondent

3) Industry capacities to respond to cyber-racism

4) The diversity of Internet activity

i. SPAM
ii. Chat rooms

5) Non-regulatory responses to cyber-racism


1) The impact of cyber-racism on the victims
"Electronic hate mail is emerging as a major concern for the Arab community in Australia. There are numerous anti-Muslim/Arab sites on the Internet and they are increasing on a daily basis."

This problem occurs amid a marked increase in attacks against people of Arabic-speaking background in Australia since 11 September 2001:

Women have been targeted and many are frightened to leave the security of their homes;
School children have been the subject of taunts and threats;
It is mistakenly thought by many that all Arabs are Muslims and all Muslims are Arabs.
Fear and concern will cause people to act on negative feelings and there is frustration felt by many. The Arabic community feels there is little that can be done.

"The Jewish community has also seen an increase in threatening and abusive email… The Jewish community is inundated with complaints and there are sites that seek out Jews for vilification. The perpetrators are looking for new audiences, such as through Bulletin Boards, and some organizations appear to allow this sort of message on their Boards."

Research by the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission demonstrates that racist material can be found in websites, computer games, emails, chat-rooms, discussion groups and music. Background information prepared for the Symposium provides examples of racist Internet material, including material that has been created by people within Australia.

"If freedom of expression is to be absolute, certain problems arise as we see with the First Amendment in the United States. Freedom of expression is a human right, but it is not an absolute right. There must be limitations when there are legitimate grounds. Interference with rights must be regulated by law. In Europe it is very clear. Freedom of expression is not an absolute over society."


2) Regulatory problems in dealing with cyber-racism and suggestions for change
"Any attempt at improving the regulatory system needs to begin with a rationale: is it to censor, punish, bring about attitudinal change, be symbolic, deter?"

a) Jurisdictional issues

i) Overseas authors and/or Internet Service Providers (ISPs)

The Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission administers the Racial Discrimination Act 1975 which makes racial hatred unlawful. A person from the group against which the offensive racist act or material is directed can make a complaint to the Commission. But it is not possible to apply the legislation to ISPs or individuals that are located in other countries.

"The legislation works well when the authors of race hate material are in Australia and can be identified and their material is hosted by an Australian ISP. These were the circumstances in the Toben case. But these circumstances are not common: most racist Internet authors are overseas and/or their material is hosted by overseas ISPs."

International cooperation should be taken into consideration.

Many European countries, individually and/or through the Council of Europe, have made incitement to racial hatred and dissemination of racist materials criminal offences, including when they occur on the Internet.

Australia can rely on these standards in dealing with sites that are created or hosted in some European countries. It may be effective to notify the authorities of the country where racist material originates or is hosted. That country may be able to prosecute the case, possibly in cooperation with other member states of the Council of Europe who have criminalised racial hatred.

There also needs to be more interagency cooperation within Australia. The Australian Broadcasting Authority has international networks that could assist in dealing with cyber-racism if the material originates in some overseas countries. The police also have international networks, though the material would have to be of a very serious nature, perhaps relating to security issues.

Questions and issues:

What international networks are available to Australian agencies to report racist material that originates in Europe?
European laws may make it easier to deal with cyber-racism in some European countries. What about websites that are created or hosted in the United States where there are not strong anti-vilification laws?

ii) Internet content scheme

Internet content regulation is a scheme that has gradually expanded beyond film and video and has now come to be applied to the Internet. The current classification code deals with sex, violence and instructions to commit crime, and does not deal with racism.

The Australian Broadcasting Authority (ABA) cannot investigate complaints about racist Internet content even though the ABA is the key Internet content regulator in Australia.

"The ABA scheme is underpinned by guidelines that apply to films and videotapes. It would be fair to say that they are primarily, if not essentially, concerned with violent and sexually explicit material. The threshold is high. If it is sexually explicit, violent and racist it would be investigated. If it is racist but is not also sexually explicit or violent it is difficult…"

The ABA can refer Internet material to the classification Board of the Office of Film and Literature Classification (OFLC). The guidelines used by the OFLC to classify Internet material are the same as those used by the ABA. The guidelines were originally designed to regulate 'entertainment'.

"The members [of the Classification Board within the OFLC] are not experts in racism and work within the basic principles of the Broadcasting Services Act: the standard of morality, decency, propriety that is expected by reasonable adults. The system wasn't designed to remove hate or racism from any delivery platform, including the Internet."

The Internet contains more than 'entertainment' and the OFLC Board seeks to reflect community standards in its classification of content. Anti-vilification laws are a community standard. It seems desirable to have consistency in regulatory standards so that the ABA and OFLC can assess and deal with racist content in a way that consistent with Australian law.

The Internet content regulatory scheme gives the Australian Broadcasting Authority the power to order 'take down' notices to ISPs. The ABA also has links with international voluntary hotlines and other networks. HREOC does not have these powers or networks to deal with racist content. Could the classification guidelines be changed so that the OFLC and the ABA can deal with racist content within the existing Internet content framework?

"In Europe it is easier to start a procedure and other persons can intervene and commence a procedure. A watchdog can step in. As an organization they may ask for an injunction."

Should there be a pool of skilled people to identify and evaluate racist content? There needs to be a body that advises the Australian Broadcasting Authority if material is contrary to anti-vilification legislation; an assessing body that isn't there to jail the perpetrator, but to make decisions on content. The OFLC plays this role in dealing with sex and violence, so could another body have these sorts of powers for racism? Could HREOC's powers be changed so it could play this 'assessing' role for Internet content?

The Australian Broadcasting Authority would need to rely on a specialist tribunal. ISPs would also want some confidence that there was a regulatory body that could provide advice and judgement.

Questions and issues:

If the Internet content scheme is intended to reflect community standards and values, why isn't race hate included?
Is it appropriate to regulate the Internet according to the standards applied to 'entertainment' if the Internet is more than just an entertainment medium?
Should there be a specialist body that could advise the Australian Broadcasting Authority and ISPs if particular Internet content offends anti-vilification law?
Could HREOC's powers be changed so that it could make formal assessments of Internet content?

iii) Criminal law

There is currently no criminal offence of racial vilification at the federal level in Australia. There are federal criminal sanctions that can be used in cases of violence, threats, harassment and so on. Serious racial vilification involving a threat of violence is a crime in some States. But there are no federal criminal laws dealing specifically with racial vilification.

Dissemination of racist materials on the Internet has been criminalized by the Council of Europe under the First Additional Protocol to the Cybercrime Convention. This approach makes available criminal enforcement mechanisms, including international co-operation on the basis of uniform criminal standards across various countries.

It would be much easier for Australia to use the international enforcement framework in Europe if Australian standards on racial vilification were consistent with those in Europe. This would also send a more uniform message about the unacceptability of racist content.

"Criminal law can only be used for serious issues and conduct that is harmful. Other issues should be dealt with through civil law. Other measures are also important in fighting racism such as education and economic development. Self-regulation such as informal ISP networks and law enforcement agencies working together to make the system effective. Criminal law has a role to play, but it does not stand alone."

State criminal law in Australia that prohibits serious racial vilification does not seem to be effective as there have been no prosecutions under the legislation to date. Some legislation has only recently been enacted such as the Racial and Religious Tolerance Act in Victoria which specifically covers electronic communications.

"If racial vilification is going to be a criminal offence, it has to be undertaken by the Commonwealth. It is too difficult to undertake this at a State level."

Advantages of introducing federal criminal sanctions against racial vilification in Australia:

Cyber-racism is often an activity of organised race hate groups. Individual victims may feel too intimidated by such groups to undertake conciliation or civil court action against them.
It could provide consistency with European practice and therefore international enforcement mechanisms could be more easily used by Australian regulators.
Criminal law acts as a final sanction when all else fails.
Criminal law would impose stronger obligations on ISP's.
"The existing system of legislation fails to protect the individuals. The Commonwealth's starting point has been about free speech and a non-criminal view. There has been no attempt to deal with this particular problem of cyber-racism... Matters are essentially handled as civil disputes, modelled on the basis that vilification is a 'breakdown of communication'. This of course is not necessarily the case."

Disadvantages of introducing federal criminal sanctions against racial vilification:

It would be difficult to prove allegations of racial vilification to a criminal standard ('beyond reasonable doubt').
State criminal laws against racial vilification do not seem to have been effective and some of these have cumbersome procedures such as requiring special consent from the State Attorney-General.
Criminal justice may not be appropriate to solve some social problems.
"The ordinary individual may feel censored and this could be far more intrusive to individuals. Short of incitement to crime, they should be able to say what they want."

Alternatively, the civil regime could include stronger penalties. There are regimes where bureaucracies have been established to 'police' with civil penalties such as the Office of the Employment Advocate.

The problem of prosecuting people outside Australia, and particularly in the United States, would also remain.

"In reality, people will not be prosecuted if they are outside Australian jurisdiction. This would involve extradition with enormous resources required and there are limitations, restrictions and difficulties with this. The Australian Federal Police are currently focusing on terrorism. It is a political question of determining priorities."

Questions and issues:

Would stronger civil penalties improve the effectiveness of the Racial Discrimination Act?
Would it be possible to have a 'two tiered' system of racial vilification laws at the federal level:
1) the Racial Discrimination Act to deal with behaviour that is offensive; and
2) a federal criminal Act to define and punish behaviour that threatens or incites to violence on the basis of race?
Does the system for referring violent material from the ABA to the police deal adequately with violent racist content?
Vilification is a criminal offence in many States. What mechanisms exist to refer vilificatory Internet material for investigation in these jurisdictions?

b) Administrative issues

i) Time and resources required by victims

The Racial Discrimination Act places the onus on the victims of racism to combat the problem. A person lodging a complaint must be from the targeted group. Other Australians who may find the material offensive, but who are not from the racial group that is vilified, cannot act.

The reality is that most victims of racism do not have the resources to pursue cases through HREOC, and then through the courts, as happened in the Toben case. That case was possible because the complainant was supported by the community he represented, and had the unpaid assistance of a solicitor and barrister. Most victims of vilification suffer disadvantage and would not be able to find the resources to do this.

ii) Identifying the proper respondent

In legal prosecutions it can be difficult to trace the originator of material (including emails) or the owner of a site, even when they are located within Australia. How is action to be taken against anonymous sites or emails? How and by whom is the proper respondent to be located?

"Racism on the Internet is a new problem for human rights institutions. It is a challenging problem and it requires the development of new IT competencies so that anti-discrimination agencies can investigate complaints effectively."


3) Industry capacities to respond to cyber-racism
"No ISP would want to associate themselves with racism on a web site. If there was a formal complaint, it would be hard to imagine any ISP wanting to keep that information. If they wanted to defend their customers it may require seeking additional advice, but generally the organisation's reputation is important."

The Internet Industry Codes of Practice provide some scope to deal with racist content on the Internet as Australian ISPs can respond to the directions of a 'relevant authority' to remove Internet content. HREOC cannot make an assessment of the content of a site in the way that the Australian Broadcasting Authority can. HREOC can only investigate and attempt to conciliate complaints but has no enforcement powers. HREOC could not order a site to be taken down. The courts are a 'relevant authority' and could make an order for an ISP to remove offensive content.

"The Industry would prefer a system where material can be judged by an authorized agency and then the ISP can be ordered to remove the material. Industry providers don't want to be in the position of classifying content."

ISPs may be considered a 'publisher' of the material and therefore liable for it. ISPs have a responsibility to make sure racist content is dealt with and to send a clear message to their customers that it is unacceptable. This is the expectation in Europe.

Industry can assist with investigations. There is a difficulty with pre-paid Internet accounts as there is no physical address. However, customer and caller details can be provided to law enforcement agencies to assist in identifying people involved in criminal activity on the Internet. There are initiatives towards caller-line identification (CLI) to assist police and other investigative bodies. This may permit better identification of the authors of vilificatory material.

ISPs are required by the Codes of Practice to provide customers information about adhering to Australian law. Providers also have obligations to advise customers on how to limit access to content that they may find unsuitable. There are online safety tools such as filters that can block racially offensive material and ISPs have to provide advice and at cost filtering products.

Questions and issues:

What are the liabilities of Australian ISPs which host racist material? Are they effectively 'publishers' of the material and therefore have some legal responsibility for it?
The courts do qualify as a 'relevant authority' and could make an order that an ISP remove a site.
Is the information provided by ISPs in investigations available only to the police or to other investigatory bodies as well? Will this information be available to anti-discrimination agencies investigating complaints?
Is the advice to ISP customers about adhering to Australian law currently effective

"Internet industry groups are trying to do the right thing. Industry needs to be seen to be pro-active. But monitoring everything is impossible, and there are legal risks involved. It's a balancing act: to identify offenders, but also to protect privacy."

4) The diversity of Internet activity

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L Moon
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posted August 28, 2006 04:50 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://www.adc.org/index.php?id=288


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L Moon
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posted August 28, 2006 04:53 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DD, I have found some organizations that handle racism on the internet. I have contacted a few. I am going to report this site. I also received a list of laws that clearly state this is illegal.


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pidaua
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posted August 28, 2006 05:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I think that is a GREAT idea!!! You know why?

Because then all of your information will be turned over to the State's Attorney that will be handling it. Every time you have changed your username, all of your inflammatory baseless accusations and your lies will be pulled from this website and will become public knowledge.

I look forward to you turning this over and facing you in court. What you are doing is called making false accusations and slander. Not only will the attorney's laugh in your face, but if you do proceed it is YOU that will be exposed and sued off the face of this Earth by every single poster you have slandered.

So COOL!!! DO it, I look forward to seeing you in court... I'll wait for the Marshall to serve me with my papers.

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MysticMelody
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posted August 28, 2006 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is obvious that you didn't even read the information you posted. Your multiple id's and cyber-stalking behavoir IS actually grounds for reporting you to your ISP, which I'm sure Randall will do immediately after investigating how many times you violated his TOS by creating new user names under the same ISP account.
Don't forget to stop by Yahoo.com and MSN.com's Political Message Boards so you can "report" their sites as well, as they are much worse than G.U. will ever be. I'm sure Yahoo and MSN will be shut down immediately on YOUR request.

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jwhop
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posted August 28, 2006 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
L Moon, stuff it.

Noting that what Hezbollah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, al-Qaeda and others are doing when they target civilians in murderous attacks IS the dictionary definition of terrorism IS NOT racism.

Noting and commenting upon the deplorable conditions and punishments forced on women under some Islamic regimes IS NOT racism.

Calling to attention the fact someone's comments tend to excuse the actions of those committing terrorist acts or attempting to excuse them by some moral equivalence argument or justifying those terrorist acts IS NOT racism.

Take your moronic racism argument and stuff it where the sun don't shine...which seems to be where your head is already.

No one here is going to cave in to your little tantrum.

At the very least, you owe lioneye, Pidaua, Eleanore and Juniperb an apology for your libelous statements and the rest of the members of LindaLand an apology for attempting to divide the membership here.

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lioneye68
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posted August 28, 2006 05:30 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
L Moon is full of it. There is no racism going on in GU. Go have a look - There is nothing racist being said there by anyone. There is only ongoing accusations of it. Isn't that defammation of character? I think that's against the law.

Please quote specific examples of any new instances of what you see as racism. Accusations are not proof.

You won't do it BECAUSE THERE ARE NONE.

Something must be done to stop YOU.

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Mama Mia
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posted August 28, 2006 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
One question now??? Pidua is this person creating havoc Tranquil Poet,Alantic Myst,Gemini Myst, Venusian Love..

If so girl I thought you out grew all this madness..

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DayDreamer
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posted August 28, 2006 05:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You know what. I think L Moon is right. I shouldn't have to deal with such cr@p and no else who comes here who shares different views should.

My character, my beliefs and my way of life have been attacked on countless occasions.

Is this type of hateful and degrading behaviour acceptable for LindaLand?

Is this a place of learning and spiritual enlightenment?

I have not heard a word from the webmaster or moderators...Nothing to even say this type of behaviour and insults should not be taking place.

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lioneye68
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posted August 28, 2006 05:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Please quote specific examples of any new instances of what you see as racism. Accusations are not proof.

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pidaua
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posted August 28, 2006 05:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Once again, the troll found her keyboard.

In a way it is funny because SHE is the one that can actually get sued. DayDreamer and her have some kind of close relationship or they are the same person. Funny how DayDreamer has not posted here... but then answered to L Moon in GU:

**EDIT.. when I was typing this I had already responded to this thread in GU which DD saw and ran right over here to post.

L Moon
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posted August 28, 2006 04:40 PM
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I will again post another topic in Free For All. The racism continues.

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pidaua
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posted August 28, 2006 04:49 PM
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Go right ahead L Moon. I think a majority of Knowflakes can tell you are off your rocker and only trying to incite arguments..
Hmmm... could you be VL or are you the former Berry Sweet? I think you might be someone that was banned just a few weeks ago for your inflammatory statements if you are her, then you should well know what racism actually is, because it is YOU that is the picture of racism.

Now... let me find VL's chart... did she have a Leo or Libra moon? Or was that BerrySweet?

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DayDreamer
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posted August 28, 2006 04:51 PM
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Well who made me the spokeswoman for Islam? I never took on that position.
But I have been trying to present to you some general perspectives the majority of Muslims hold...things I hear from conversations with other Muslims of various nationalities, with my own ears...things I read from various Muslim countries, with my own eyes.

Im not trying to lie to you and tell you things that you probably want to hear.

Just what do you have a problem with?

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Isis
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posted August 28, 2006 04:54 PM
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Go ahead LMoon...it will be moved just like this one was, and if you continue to harass the site in the way that you have, you will be banned once again.
You will continue to create usernames, but you are who you are and most of us see right through it. We can't be anything other than who we are, not for any length of time, and though you'll be back, you will inevitably betray your true nature and be banned again...and again....and again...

If you've got nothing better to do than to create usernames in an effort to harass strangers on a site which has banned you repeatedly, well all I can say is

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DayDreamer
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posted August 28, 2006 05:04 PM
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LMoon thanks...I didn't know where to make a complaint
I even emailed Randall about this but he never replied back.

None of the moderators even said a word about the types of comments made.

But did you have to put it in FFA??


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Hmmm.... she didn't know where to make a complaint? L Moon said nothing of it in GU and DayDreamer didn't post here? Hmmm.....

I think this could be a wonderful thing.. I am assuming that neither L Moon nor DayDreamer know how much information a computer forensic tech can get from an IP address and computer hard drive...

This is going to be good.

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and
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posted August 28, 2006 05:41 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Go right ahead L Moon. I think a majority of Knowflakes can tell you are off your rocker and only trying to incite arguments..

give me a moment to find the irony in this post, LOL....yeah...

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"WHATEVER the soul longs for, WILL be attained by the spirit"

"Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation"

-Khalil Gibran

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DayDreamer
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posted August 28, 2006 05:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If this isn't a case, then what is?

Topic: Who's the Racist?
DayDreamer
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posted August 21, 2006 07:56 PM
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Pidaua said,

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No one said ALL of Islam is bad - it is
only YOU, DayDreamer and a few other militants that keep on making that assumption.
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Her bud lioneye says,


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posted August 18, 2006 02:48 PM
The difference between crimes and abuses of women in Muslim nations, and the rest of the "civilized" world, is that these crimes are actually advocated and written within the laws of the land in many Muslim nations, where the opposite is true in the civilized world.
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posted August 21, 2006 01:11 AM
Sharia law is a throw back to primitive times, that the Christian world, heck, the rest of the world, has already left far behind.
Mulsems are locked in the 7th century, and they're not allowed to move forward under this law. If you cannot evolve as a society, you're already dead.
Kaboom.


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posted July 07, 2006 12:36 AM
f'ing hypocrite.
If others are spitefull about it, it's only because they long for it themselves. You should want them to have that, not resent the world that gives it to you. You are the one who is screwed up in the head with propaganda.
Everyone deserves the chance to be self made, free from prejudice, free to actualize their talants and ambitions. Free to LIVE without fear. What is so wrong about that?????????????????
Western society is evil because we tolerate f'ing ingrates like you? Well, maybe stupid and niave, but certainly not evil.
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Then lotus said


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posted July 07, 2006 12:39 AM
Lioneye68..that is just and right!
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Back to lioneye..


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posted August 21, 2006 01:52 AM And Islam is to blame, if followers are still interpreting the words literally, words that were written 1300 years ago, and trying to apply it to today's world, word for word, every aspect of life...
It's not okey for women to be regarded as lowly as dogs.
It's not okey for non-Muslems to be treated with distain and contempt.
No more than it's okey for Muslems to be treated with contempt in Western society. If we can afford Muslems simple & fundamental respects in our world, why can't the Muslem world afford us the same respects? WHY???? Because Islam is superior? F&ck that. It's bullsh*t. Islam is the most oppressive concept I've ever heard of, even more than communism, and I'd rather die than have to convert to it. If I were you, I'd run away & convert to anything but death cult Islam. But I'm not you. Thank GOD for that. PS, of course, you'd be marked for DEATH if you did that, so you'd never do that
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There are more, however, the search function is not working, so it is difficult for me to find her abusive remarks.


http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/002598.html

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DayDreamer
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lol And.

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pidaua
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posted August 28, 2006 05:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and...


You truly disappoint with your biased opinions. I had some respect for you and even admired your astrology, but you have come out without even reading what was going on. No one has been racist towards DayDreamer. She has acted like a troll and littered the website with trash..

But then again, is that what you think about LindaLand? Isn't this what you posted:

and
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posted August 28, 2006 05:17 PM
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Where is RANDALL when comments/etc like this are spewing about?
I never saw this thread, disgusting....
Im glad it was bumped...

This board is trash, half the crap that is spewed in here is trash, debating on the net is bulls- thats why i dont even bother half the time...


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"Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation"

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I am sure your fellow Knowflakes are happy to see what you think about LindaLand.

If it is such trash, why are you here?

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I was talking about GU being trash, and you know it. So dont even try to start BS with me, I see right thru you PID, you try to start arguments, its fun for you...youre very childish.

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"Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation"

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pidaua
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posted August 28, 2006 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh now I am childish? You posted it, not me. Talk your way out of it all you want - you said it.

I have ZERO respect for anyone that comes to this site and then calls it trash.

You have shown your true colors.

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Isis
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posted August 28, 2006 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Isis     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
L Moon is just trying to sow discord and we're letting her/him succeed.

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jwhop
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posted August 28, 2006 05:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyone can be or claim to be insulted, inflamed or offended about most anything at all.

For instance, when Muslims refer to Jesus Christ as a prophet, that's highly insulting, highly degrading, highly inflammatory and highly inaccurate according to the Christian New Testament.

Jesus Christ..in the Christian religion is God in the flesh. Part of the Trinity..God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

I don't remember anyone ripping anyone when Jesus Christ was referred to...several times as a prophet, apparently on the same level as Isaiah and other Old Testament prophets.

You may wear your religion on your sleeve but don't expect everyone else to avoid any mention of world events as it relates to Islamic terrorism or Islamic government treatment of women.

They are not, nor am I referring to all Muslims or all Islamic governments, as you have been repeatedly told.

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Mama Mia
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posted August 28, 2006 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You guys have taken the bait..Along with falling for the trap..

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libelous statements and the rest of the members of LindaLand an apology for attempting to divide the membership here.

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DayDreamer
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posted August 28, 2006 05:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I haven't seen anyone talk to a Christian like that on here. Find me one person that was insulted like I was.

Im sure if they were harassed like that they would no longer be welcomed here.

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MysticMelody
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posted August 28, 2006 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MysticMelody     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
DayDreamer, it is ridiculous and childish to approach a group of people who believe fighting is the answer (whether their opinion is correct or incorrect) and then cry to everyone when they attack you. Why are WE now forced to deal with the results of YOUR ACTIONS? In your past lives did you walk up to groups of warrior Huns and tell them how wrong they were and then cry to God when the Huns bash your brains in?

Do you also take every opportunity to stick your head into the mouths of lions and then complain to the Universe when the lions chomp your pretty little head off?

If you want to play Gandhi, then take your beating like a man.

The fact that you would agree with someone who wants to shut Randall down is proof of immature and self-centered behavior that shows your true character. Anyone who would want all the good of this site to be destroyed, because 5 users treated them badly, is obviously ridiculously selfish.

The only other poster I have seen threaten Randall is Paras.

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jwhop
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posted August 28, 2006 06:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's just it now isn't it. Most Christians wouldn't think to fire on your or anyone else for comparing Jesus Christ to a prophet.

They shrug it off and go on with their lives but what they don't do is make a federal case out of it.

This is not a class on comparative religion. This is not a class on the strengths and weaknesses of different religions or whether any one of them is right or wrong.

These discussions on GU were about current events in the world today. Most of the information came straight from major media sources or broadcast TV which have run specials on the plight of women in some cultures and of course terrorist activity is front and center in every newspaper and on virtually every newscast.

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pidaua
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posted August 28, 2006 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LMAO... are you serious DayDreamer? How about the "why are people so friggin dumb" thread? How about taking a picture of Jesus Christ on the Cross (something that is incredibly sacred to Christians) and putting the President's face on it?

You and your little band of nimrods need to actually pick up a book and get educated because you are really making idiots of yourselves.

That said.. I think all of us rational Knowflakes should ignore you and let all your posts just fizzle out. God knows that you, L moon and "and" don't have a brain cell between the three of you to actually read an entire post and comprehend the meaning let alone file a lawsuit based on racism that doesn't exist.

Trolls

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DayDreamer
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posted August 28, 2006 06:10 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
First of all, I did not start this thread here.

Once other people started posting in here I had to put my side in.

Second of all, people were banned from LL for calling Isis and Pidaua names and for discrimination, respectively. Now why the double standard? Why are people calling me childish and ridiculous for making a legitimate complaint.

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