posted September 13, 2006 09:14 PM              

The difference is people relate to his comedy, see some truths to it and find it funny. He is not out to label a group of people as evil and as terrorists in paranoia. He is pointing out some truths about the different races and cultures in a funny way.

I as well as my Asian friends, including those from South and East Asia, find him absolutely hilarious. We do not think he is making jokes to instigate hate and discrimination. We do not think he is joking out of ignornace. We can actually relate to the jokes he makes.

I find it quite odd that non-Asians are calling these jokes on our race and ethnicities as racist.

There are jokes about Muslims that I and other Muslims I know find funny. It depends on the joke...they are mostly inside jokes. They dont usually relate to non-Muslims, so most non-Muslims probably wouldn’t get it.

People will get offended if it does not ring true for them and is a dangerous generalization like calling a group of people terrorist or belonging to a death cult.

When comments are made about my religion as a death cult and the people who follow it, myself included, as terrorist, terrorist supporters, and wishing death upon people, that is not a joke. That is a hateful, a racist generalization used to further an agenda against Muslims.

To me, the Inquisition mentality seems to be going around...Actually that might be a better term “Inquisition mentality”. Ignorant people are ready and willing to accuse and make guilty innocent people without any proof just for voicing a different views.

Juniperb,

if you’re speaking of yourself I’ve alredy figured that out a while ago. You are most quick to condemn with all your enlightened preaching.

If you mean something else, please do explain and don’t be so ambiguous about it this time.

posted September 13, 2006 09:53 PM            

Weird.

posted September 13, 2006 10:07 PM            

I have a problem with someone who not ten days ago made a gigantic drama about racism, posting what could be construed by some as racist or offensive material of a comedian doing the very things they accused many of doing (lumping entire groups together and ridiculing or diminishing them in some way, etc).

It's hypocrisy at it's finest.

So basically, what constitutes "racist", is whatever offends Daydreamer. She is now the ultimate judge of what is an acceptable muslim joke...ie; if they're "insider" jokes that she thinks only other muslims could get and therefore would say, then it's ok. But if I post a comic of Mohammad with a missle in his turban, I'll become an insta-racist.

Hell, if I made a comment like "asians can't drive", she and her cronies would be all over me like stink on sh*t. But this comedian can make fun of asian accents or whatever and it's ok.

It's all just some of the most asinine, ass backwards, subjective, hypocritical BS I have heard in a long while.

So Daydreamer, can I infer from your answer that your reponse to my question is, "yes, I would freak out and cry racism because the only acceptable muslim joke is one that only another muslims tells or can really get".

Finally, you have some nerve talking about an "inquisition mentality". You're BS racism witch hunt over in FFA is what started this entire thing.

posted September 13, 2006 10:20 PM              

Therefore I dont see the hypocrisy.

No I never said what constitutes racist is whatever offends me.

But I will 100% guarantee that if you continue to call someone a terrorist, evil and belonging to a death cult they will not like you and call you a bigot, a racists, a fill in the blank-hater.

Like Ive never seen comics and jokes about Muslims and the Prophets pbut? The problem I have with some of them is the way they go about it and there motives in telling such jokes or publishing such cartoons.

posted September 13, 2006 10:42 PM              

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"WHATEVER the soul longs for, WILL be attained by the spirit"

"Love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation"

posted September 13, 2006 11:17 PM              

I can't understand why you think Im "full of it"?

posted September 13, 2006 11:50 PM              

http://www.comedycentral.com/comedians/browse/p/russell_peters.jhtml

posted September 14, 2006 09:47 AM              

I couldnt get sound for this link, but I just wanted to say that I admire your composure and calm delivery when you are surrounded by so many opposing viewpoints.

I cannot recall you name calling or accusing people of having mental problems etc.....

You appear to be a very mature and well balanced human being, which is at times rare to find in this mixed up muddled up world of ours....

to you

posted September 14, 2006 01:50 PM            

I just watched the first 11 minutes of this guy's work, and he's primarily made fun of HIS OWN race: Indian (much like Dat Pham makes fun of his own race). I'd have to say that at first blush these accusations seem unfounded.

posted September 14, 2006 02:21 PM            

Here is his quote in case your rose-colored glasses are fogged up -

"No didn't do it for me. Being Asian isn't just funny in itself"

Should I repeat it for you.. BEING ASIAN ISN'T FUNNY IN ITSELF.

Is that clear? Or do you need a thread started calling someone a racist because they voiced an opinion based on something entirely different than race- such as not liking Islamic terrorism.

I honestly question the integrity of someone that can't seem to see the a racist remark right in front of them. In fact, here is how DayDreamer even started this thread:

DayDreamer
Knowflake
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posted September 12, 2006 05:20 PM
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...Stand Up Comedy - On the Different Ethnicities
This is classic Russell Peters stuff.

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Oh okay, so based on your comments AG, it is obvious that people like you (DayDreamer, Geministone, Rainbow and a few others) think that it's okay to start a thread bashing racism (when there was none) but when a thread that is blatently based on race and racial jokes is started by one of your "crew" it's all okay.

Hmmm.... that makes so much sense.

posted September 14, 2006 02:28 PM            

They said that it could as easily be construed as racist by some inasmuch as Daydreamer construed comments here to be racist. (when in all actuality, if they were anything, they were bigoted, not racist actually...)

The point is that someone who made a big stink about racism not two weeks ago is posting this, and seems to think that they're the only one who gets to determine if something is racist. If they think it's racist, they can make a big stink, but if anyone else thinks something DD says or posts is racist, we just have to "get over it".

I'll say it again since some people apparently don't read thoroughly.

Nobody said, "OMG that's racist and I'm offended."

They said: I'm offended that someone who cried racist not two weeks ago thinks something that could fairly be construed as racist by some is ok cause it happens to not be picking on Islam/Muslims.

Obviously the point is missed, so why don't people just move on - before you waste your time arguing a point nobody was making in the first place, I reiterate, nobody said, "I found this guy to be racist".

<edit> We'll discover the truth to the point Pid and I are trying to make one of these days, when someone "dares" to post jokes ridiculing Islam/Muslims. Then we'll see how "tolerant" you all are of racial humor - I think you're tolerant when one of your "friends" posts something or makes a joke, but if it's someone who is not on the left, you scream "racism" or some other asinine accusation.

Again, the point is not that I find this comedian to be racist....it's that some of you people think it's ok when YOU make fun, but not if someone you consider to be your "enemy" does. It's very telling.

posted September 14, 2006 02:51 PM            

There was a situation where Lioneye posted a thread asking about Islam (which I felt was very respectful) and DD came out at her as though she had disparaged the very name of Muhammed.

There was also the time someone posted a thread with the link to that Dutch Muslim cartoon that was offensive- but they asked the question about other's reaction. Again, I believe that person was made to feel like a racist.

Personally, I can take alot from comedians. I enjoy most of Carlos Mencia's jokes yet he can also be over the top. I also don't start threads on racism because someone said they hate "God" or "Christians"

LOL....

posted September 14, 2006 04:29 PM              

Does not imply the comedic act was racist.

And just being Asian wouldn’t do it for me either. However to me the skits were more than about being Asian. The cultural stories with the accents and exagerated expressions to make the story more believable and funny did it for me. Why because I can relate and see the very same things Russel Peters jokes about...can't say the same for you. I think Russel Peters is doing a wonderful job in breaking down racial barriers.

Isis yes Pidaua said it was racist...

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Hey.. look in the mirror. Making fun of Asians for being Asian is racist you twit.
You are so ignorant you are bragging about what a wonderful comedian this a-hole is and in reality he comes off as a racist, especially regarding Asians.

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I do agree with you that the comments I posted from some like lioneye were BIGOTED more than they were RACIST.

I’m still waiting for someone from any of the races/ethnicities he uses in his skits to personally tell me they find Russel Peters a RACIST. I will humbly apologize but be surprised because all the black, brown, yellow, and white people I know find it disgustingly funny.

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Obviously the point is missed, so why don't people just move on - before you waste your time arguing a point nobody was making in the first place, I reiterate, nobody said, "I found this guy to be racist".

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Had it occurred to you I was trying to make a point? What might that point be? Hmmmmmmmm?

posted September 14, 2006 04:43 PM            

Why would I say such a thing if I hadn't read it, Pid? I'm not the one that has difficulties with details. He said, "Being Asian isn't just funny in itself." You chose to perceive that as him accusing the guy of being racist against Asians. When you look at what he said LITERALLY without putting his comments into some pre-conceived notion of what you'd like them to be, they don't say anything about the comedian being racist. The comedian is Asian himself. Mak could very well be stating that Russell recounting his experiences as an Indian (ASIAN) isn't funny in itself. This ties into Mak's first sentence, which is that it "didn't do it" for him - meaning the comedy wasn't funny to him.

Isis,

When was I ever unfair about something funny you posted?

Who is this line directed at: "it's that some of you people think it's ok when YOU make fun, but not if someone you consider to be your "enemy" does. It's very telling."

I must be really missing something, because I don't recall anyone from the Right posting anything funny, and all of the people from the Left denouncing you for it. If I have a poor memory fine, but if it never happened, then how is this telling in any way? If you're talking about "making fun" from a name-calling point of view, then I think you need to look at the people most prone to name-calling.

posted September 14, 2006 05:56 PM            

As for DD getting up in arms about racism, what motivated her may have been Lioneye's comments, but all of us ("us" being the what, 4 or 5 non-leftist or non-extreme-leftists out of the literally scores of people who post on LL) were quickly thrown into the mix and implicated as racists for stating our opinions about extreme Islam.

Daydreamer or LMoon (who I still think was VL on a slightly more cogent day) brought it up, but a whole schlew of people who routinely have run-ins with us jumped on the Inquisition Bandwagon and tried to lambaste us all.

If I started a thread in FFA that was a general outcry against the religious bigotry towards Christianity that occurs regularly on this site, those very same people would be jumping into the thread telling me to get over it, that I was making a big deal out of nothing, it's freedom of speech, that I said something mean to someone two years ago and it serves me right to be offended, or some other such BS.

But wouldn't it be a bit ironic for me to post a "OMG people are religious bigots re: Christiantiy" thread in FFA, then two weeks later post a comedian who is ridiculing Islam and try to justify it as ok?