posted December 10, 2006 01:45 PM              

4-year-old accused of sexual harassment

BELLMEAD, Texas, Dec. 10 (UPI) -- The father of a 4-year-old Bellmead, Texas, boy said his son hugged his teacher's aide; school officials said it was sexual contact.

Now the family is trying to have references to the incident removed from the child's record because the boy is too young to understand, KVXX-TV in Waco, Texas, said.

The father said his boy hugged a teacher's aide while waiting to board a school bus. But the principal said the pre-schooler rubbed his face in the chest of the female employee, demonstrating "inappropriate physical behavior interpreted as sexual contact and/or sexual harassment."

The father, saying it was silly to so misread his son's action, demanded that school administrators remove the incident from his son's file and apologize.

Sexual references on the discipline referral were removed, but the father was told "your request for an apology by the aide and removal of all paperwork regarding this incident is denied."

The file lists the incident as "inappropriate physical contact," which the dad said he will seek to have changed as well.

posted December 10, 2006 06:43 PM            

As for this case, my immediate guess is that the teacher is projecting.

POSSIBLY it's something weirder...like when the teacher was a little girl, she was molested, it went to court, and the judge said the little girl was as much to blame as the adult, and that little girl grew up to be that teacher that is now punishing that boy what she went through. Just a guess.

But I'd sprain my brain trying to figure out why the faculty is backing the teacher!

Still, stupidity is rampant in school faculties. I wouldn't be surprised if the little boy gets another permanent mark for pretending to shoot an alien invader the next year, and is kicked out for drugs for being found chewing Jolt gum.

And this may go in the boy's permanent record, but will he even remember it once he grows up? Or will that mark in his record just look really weird to him?

posted December 10, 2006 07:07 PM              

I agree with much of what you said dervish. I have strong feelings about this...I feel she overstepped her boundaries and abused her responsibilities as a teacher and a woman of her age. Boys have their hormones raging in their teen years and some will crush and flirt with older women, especially their teachers that they see almost every single day of the year. The teacher is entirely at fault because shes the adult in this situation and she has the trust and responsibility of guiding someone else's child.

Many still dont have the life experience and cant make fully responsible and sound judgments on their own...thats why they are usually still under the guardianship of their parents till they're 18.

posted December 10, 2006 07:42 PM            

I STRONGLY disagree with the statement "even rebellious teens tend to do what adults say". If that was the case we wouldnt have packed juvies now would we? If the power is abused and the teacher approaches the kid then yes. But if even after the teacher is convicted, the kid keeps visiting her and claiming he loves her, and then tries to run away with her, and especially marries her after she gets out then you have to ask yourself was that the right solution. Like i said in the case of Mary Kay she wound up marrying the kid after 7 years in prison and raising her child with him. Why did it suddenly stop being a problem after her prison sentence?

In college relationships between professors and current students are prevented. Not relaitonships between professors and students not in their class. That would be silly. My college has students over age of 24 and professors nearing them in age, what foolishness would it be to prevent them from dating if the person is not taking the professor's class. The issue of having sex for grades would in fact come up. But if the teacher has no say in the kid's grade i fail to see where the problem would rise unless it was forced or coerced.

I dont disagree that SHE overstepped her boundries...she shoud have very much so controlled herself and told him no. Even though they both agree that he made the first move. My issue is her having to go to jail for 7 years, loose her kids for "indangering" them and then come out and marry him anyways. That seems a bit odd to me...it was wrong but now that hes a bit older its okay even though the age difference did not change at all.

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Even if a kid is having sex, the fact that they're having sex at such a young age shows that they're still too young and immature to make sound judgements and understand the ramifications and consequences of their actions.

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posted December 10, 2006 10:10 PM            

Many of those locked up for knowingly (and actually) breaking rules practiced their defiance in stealth. However, once confronted with adult authority, they tend to submit. Their defiance is something they tend to do behind the back of adults.

Complicating this are a bunch of stupid laws that actually promote criminal behavior among youth (and adults) and plenty of times the youth aren't locked up, but sent out to do more crimes (on a judge's order). I'd give examples, but I don't want to derail this thread.

Some defy when they have no other choice. I was one such child. At 13 I was sexually assaulted by an adult authority figure. I (more by accident than design) managed to kick him in the throat. I was then beaten up by the adults I went to for help and taken to a hellish facility. Was I defiant? Surely, I was, but when a hostile man who has already tormented you and you've seen him sadistically torment others tries to force his sexual member in your mouth, it's hard to not defy--but my defiance was born more of panic than will. (I see what I did as self-defense.)

About 3 years later I was about to be sent back. Defiance on my part? Not really.

Basically I had done a story that the teachers (and principal who got to read it after it was sent to him) hated but my class loved. A classmate "polished" the story I did (adding more violence, including having the teachers in our class, and the principal, killed, whereas in my original the teachers weren't in it and the principal had gotten away), and put it in his zine. I was not told not to do this, though I knew they wouldn't be pleased if they found it. But they weren't meant to find it.

Then Columbine went down and the geekhunts began. Pretty quickly, someone turned a copy of the zine in to the office. To make a long story short, I was headed back. Had I not been so traumatized the first time, I would've submitted and gone. But after A LOT of soul searching and realizing I'd suicide before I went back, I ranaway from home (a second time) instead. One of the best decision I ever made in my life, too.

But up to that point, I was in trouble a lot--sometimes just for asking innocent questions--but I almost always submmitted when faced with adult authority. I might grumble, I might complain, I might know to the core of my being how unreasonable or unfair it sometimes was, but I still submitted when the authority figures were in my face. Of course, when I thought I could get away with something because the adults wouldn't find out, that was a different matter.

As for the teacher in the "consensual relationship," I honestly don't know enough about that. I have to wonder if the boy was getting enough love and attention at home (it sounds like he wasn't). Plenty of habitual child molestors, even of pre-pubescent children, have said outright that they can get children to perform by providing the love and attention they desperately crave but can't get at home. In most cases, I'm gonna take a very dim view of adults with minors (not counting like a 19-year-old and a 16-year old in some cases, for example).

Even in the case so many of you cite, I'm just witholding judgment because I don't really know.

In addition, I've known a runaway that managed to hook up with a sugardaddy. I take a very dim view on that, too, but I have to admit in the one case I'm thinking of it was better than the alternatives the girl likely faced otherwise. If my sun wasn't Libra, though, I'd probably want to fry them all myself. ;-)

I'll agree that many 15-year-olds having sex are too immature to do so, but I won't say they all are. (Though I had consensual sex at 15 with another 15-year-old, and I think that was one of the worste decisions I made in my life.) I'd also point out that there are plenty of 20-somethings having sex in married relationships that aren't that mature. Heck, I've seen 'rents with teens that struck me as immature at their teens, with only slightly more sophisticated rationalization and blaming skills born of decades of practice.

And actually, I've liked the MAD definition of a teen: a person that acts like a child when not treated like an adult. ;-)

posted December 10, 2006 10:44 PM            

Oh my dear Dervish that is in fact a horrible story and im very sorry for what has happened to you. I now see we have a definition issue because I wouldnt call you defiant. You have acted in self defense. By defiant I mean the kid who joins a gang because he feels like it (not because of socioeconomic reasons) or one who gets into fights all the time, or one who smokes and does drugs.

I would have to agree with what you said about the boy. Surely both have serious issues. I hear what you are saying and I agree but the issue in those cases is the kids feel like they are doing something they do not want but go ahead with it because the "nice man" is kind to them. Now in the case of this teachr both she and the student said that he approached her and he numerous times asked her out and stuff and she said no till she finally gave in. He also bragged to his fellow students. Molested kids do not brag about being molested. I agree that all this is COMPLETELY MORALLY WRONG! My question is did Mary Kay deserve 7 years only to marry the kid anyways. That is all... I also agree with what you say about maturity

posted December 11, 2006 03:51 AM            

I pointed at her respective body parts as I announced the rhyme, as was the custom at the time.

I was taken into the principal's office and grilled about the incident, being forced to reinact the incident and apologize to her for what I did. I had no clue that what I did was wrong, only later did I realize it had sexual indications.

Thus began a long life of sexual deviancy.

posted December 13, 2006 01:27 PM              

4 years old??? They’re like tiny tiny children. Very small, very young, practically babies. Maybe he was just overly affectionate.