posted May 19, 2007 11:31 PM            

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Miss Baby Blue... or if my suspicions are right, Miss Plutos Muse;

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LOL Xodian, Xodian, Xodian...great minds do think alike...I do have to say the lady cleaned up her act. At least shes a BIT more polite now. Plus its not so bad when she's here. Kinda makes it fun Welcome back chica

Pshht...darling, you don't know what a sexist Muslim man is...my best friend's bf for example needs to be hung...he really does deserve to swing off a pole...Xodian is actually a very intelligent man, who from my experience trully believes in equality between men and women and his religion shouldn't matter. As for the argument...well Islam isn't the reason behind all these deeds, it is merely used as a tool by evil people.

posted May 20, 2007 06:32 AM              

Possibly one of the most irrational things i've heard lately.

BlueB your lucky Xodian isn't a nastie pastie if anyone had called me an idiot like that i would not have stood for it regardless of differing views.

posted May 20, 2007 09:28 AM            

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Possibly one of the most irrational things i've heard lately

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posted May 22, 2007 05:47 AM              

do u all blive terrorists have a religion? which god wud except tem??? tey do not have ny religion wat so ever tey r ppl engulfed in fury and revenge. tey blame all their acts of violence on their religion.

recently a mosque was bombed by a few terrorists. their r two large communities in india besides the others which r minors. the majors r Hindus and Muslims. very honestly both these communities hate each other. i'm not saying tat ppl from these two religions r not frnds or sumthin but its lik a cold war. wen some religious monument or structure of ny ot the two religions r bombed by d terrorrists each religion blames the other one. even though v all no tat terrorists r doin it.

posted May 22, 2007 10:12 AM              

From The Holy Koran

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IV.138: Those who believe, then disbelieve, then again believe, then disbelieve and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never forgive them nor will He guide them to the right way.

Osama bin LadenIV.89: They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

IV.92: And it does not behoove a believer to kill a believer except by mistake, and whoever kills a believer by mistake, he should free a believing slave , and blood-money should be paid to his people unless they remit it as alms; but if he be from a tribe hostile to you and he is a believer, the freeing of a believing slave (suffices), and if he is from a tribe between whom and you there is a covenant, the blood-money should be paid to his people along with the freeing of a believing slave; but he who cannot find (a slave) should fast for two months successively: a penance from Allah, and Allah is Knowing, Wise.

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XVI.8: It may be that your Lord will have mercy on you, and if you (again return to disobedience) We too will return (to punishment), and We have made hell a prison for the unbelievers.

II.161: Surely those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers, these it is on whom is the curse of Allah and the angels and men all;

IX. 5-6: Kill those who join other gods with God wherever you may find them.

IV.76: Those who believe fight in the cause of God.

IV.74: Let those who fight in the cause of God who barter the life of this world for that which is to come; for whoever fights on God's path, whether he is killed or triumphs, We will give him a handsome reward.

VIII.39-42: Say to the Infidels: if they desist from their unbelief, what is now past shall be forgiven; but if they return to it, they have already before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it God's. http://www.nowscape.com/islam/islam.htm

hmmmm these verses seem so familiar!!!
http://www.answering-islam.de/Main/Quran/Themes/jihad_passages.html

http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/quran_teaches.htm

4:89 They long that ye should disbelieve even as they disbelieve, that ye may be upon a level (with them). So choose not friends from them till they forsake their homes in the way of Allah; if they turn back (to enmity) then take them and kill them wherever ye find them, and choose no friend nor helper from among them,”

9:66, Make ye no excuses: ye have rejected Faith after ye had accepted it. If We pardon some of you, We will punish others amongst you, for that they are in sin

9:74, They swear by Allah that they said nothing (evil), but indeed they uttered blasphemy, and they did it after accepting Islam; and they meditated a plot which they were unable to carry out: this revenge of theirs was (their) only return for the bounty with which Allah and His Messenger had enriched them! If they repent, it will be best for them; but if they turn back (to their evil ways), Allah will punish them with a grievous penalty in this life and in the Hereafter: They shall have none on earth to protect or help them.

47:25,26 Those who turn back as apostates after Guidance was clearly shown to them, the Evil One has instigated them and busied them up with false hopes.
Volume 9, Book 83, Number 17:
Narrated 'Abdullah:
Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

Bukhari Volume 4, Book 54, Number 445:
Narrated Abu Dhar:
The Prophet said, "Gabriel said to me, 'Whoever amongst your followers die without having worshipped others besides Allah, will enter Paradise (or will not enter the (Hell) Fire)." The Prophet asked. "Even if he has committed illegal sexual intercourse or theft?" He replied, "Even then."

(Sahih Bukhari 4.260)
Narrated Ikrima:
Ali burnt some people [hypocrites] and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.' "

Sahih Bukhari Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:

Narrated 'Ikrima:
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

See also this Islamic site.
http://thetruereligion.org/apostatepunish.htm
Terror

3:151
We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.

8:60
And prepare against them what force you can and horses tied at the frontier, to terrorize thereby the enemy of Allah...

8:12
I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

Moreover Allah says of those who reject him. Because, Allah has already sentenced them to death.

Unbelievers

2:191, And slay them wherever ye catch them

2:193, And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression

2:216, Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you

3:28, Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah

4:48 “Allah forgiveth not that partners should be set up with Him; but He forgiveth anything else, to whom He pleaseth; to set up partners with Allah is to devise a sin Most heinous indeed.”

4:84, Then fight in Allah’s cause - Thou art held responsible only for thyself - and rouse the believers. It may be that Allah will restrain the fury of the Unbelievers; for Allah is the strongest in might and in punishment.

4:141, And never will Allah grant to the unbelievers a way (to triumphs) over the believers

5:33, The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger, and strive with might and main for mischief through the land is: execution, or crucifixion, or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides, or exile from the land: that is their disgrace in this world, and a heavy punishment is theirs in the Hereafter;

8:12, I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them

8:15-16, O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge (indeed)!

8:17, It is not ye who slew them; it was Allah: when thou threwest (a handful of dust), it was not thy act, but Allah’s: in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself

8:60, Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly.

8:65, O Prophet! rouse the Believers to the fight. If there are twenty amongst you, patient and persevering, they will vanquish two hundred: if a hundred, they will vanquish a thousand of the Unbelievers

9:5, But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem.

9:3, And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith.

9:14, Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, cover them with shame, help you (to victory) over them, heal the breasts of Believers,

9:23, O ye who believe! take not for protectors your fathers and your brothers if they love infidelity above Faith: if any of you do so, they do wrong.

9:28, O ye who believe! Truly the Pagans are unclean; so let them not, after this year of theirs, approach the Sacred Mosque.

9:29, Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

9:39, Unless ye go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least.

9:73, O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell,- an evil refuge indeed.

9:111, Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur’an

9:123, O ye who believe! fight the unbelievers who gird you about, and let them find firmness in you: and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

22:9, (Disdainfully) bending his side, in order to lead (men) astray from the Path of Allah: for him there is disgrace in this life, and on the Day of Judgment We shall make him taste the Penalty of burning (Fire).

22:19-22; These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), “Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!”

25:52, So obey not the disbelievers, but strive against them herewith with a great endeavour.

25:68 ”Those who invoke not, with Allah, any other god, nor slay such life as Allah has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. “(But) the Penalty on the Day of Judgment will be doubled to him, and he will dwell therein in ignominy,-

37:22-23, “Bring ye up”, it shall be said, “The wrong-doers and their wives, and the things they worshipped- Besides Allah, and lead them to the Way to the (Fierce) Fire!

47:4, Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens.

48:13 And if any believe not in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared, for those who reject Allah, a Blazing Fire!

48:29, Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other.

Afterlife

69:30-37 (The stern command will say): “Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin.”

22:19-22, These two antagonists dispute with each other about their Lord: But those who deny (their Lord),- for them will be cut out a garment of Fire: over their heads will be poured out boiling water. With it will be scalded what is within their bodies, as well as (their) skins. In addition there will be maces of iron (to punish) them. Every time they wish to get away therefrom, from anguish, they will be forced back therein, and (it will be said), "Taste ye the Penalty of Burning!"

Thief

5:38 Cut off the hands of thieves, whether they are male or female, as punishment for what they have done—a deterrent from God: God is almighty and wise.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/quran_teaches.htm

posted May 22, 2007 10:42 AM              

On Murder and Violence:
Islam both allows and forbids murder and violence, depending on who is the recipient of the act.
Allowed:
• "Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme." (Koran 8:37)
• The Koran instructs not to make friendship with Jews and Christians (Koran 5:51) but to war against them: "When the Sacred Months are over, kill those who ascribe partners to God wheresoever ye find them; seize them, encompass them, and ambush them; then if they repent and observe prayer and pay the alms, let them go their way (Koran 4:5). "Fight against those who believe not in God nor in the Last Day, who... refuse allegiance to the True Faith from among those who have received the Book, until they humbly pay tribute out of hand." (Koran 9:29) Note: These verses distinguish between warfare against pagans, and against Jews and Christians.[17]
• "...kill the disbelievers wherever we find them" (Koran 2:191); "fight and slay the Pagans, seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem" (Koran 9:5); "murder them and treat them harshly" (Koran 9:123).
• "Seize ye him, and bind ye him, And burn ye him in the Blazing Fire. Further, make him march in a chain, whereof the length is seventy cubits! This was he that would not believe in Allah Most High. And would not encourage the feeding of the indigent! So no friend hath he here this Day. Nor hath he any food except the corruption from the washing of wounds, Which none do eat but those in sin." (Koran 69:30-37)
• "Strike off the heads of the disbelievers"; and after making a "wide slaughter among them, carefully tie up the remaining captives" (Koran 47:4).
• "Instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers"; "smite above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them" (Koran 8:12; cp. 8:60).
• "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern against them. Their abode is Hell - an evil refuge indeed" (Koran 9:73).
• "slay or crucify or cut the hands and feet of the unbelievers, that they be expelled from the land with disgrace..." (Koran 5:34).
• "for them (the unbelievers) garments of fire shall be cut and there shall be poured over their heads boiling water whereby whatever is in their bowels and skin shall be dissolved and they will be punished with hooked iron rods" (Koran 22:19-22)
Forbidden:
• "And slay not the soul which God has forbidden except for the just cause..." (Koran 17:33)
• "...If anyone killed a person not in retaliation for murder or to spread mischief in the land, it would be as if he killed the whole of mankind. And if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he saved the whole of mankind" (Surah Al-Maaida 5:32)
• "Fight for the sake of Allah those that fight against you, but do not attack them first. Allah does not love the aggressors." (Koran 2:190)
• "…when it is said to them; 'Make not mischief on the Earth', they say; 'We are only peace makers'. Indeed they are the ones who make mischief, but they perceive it not" (Surah Al-Baqarah 2:11-12)
• The Prophet Mohamad said to his army before going to a fight "Depart in the name of Allah, and by his help. And kill not any old man nor young boy nor child, nor woman, But be good doers for Allah loves those who do good.

• (Hadeeth)
On Murder:
Forbidden:
• "Thou shalt not kill (murder)." (Exodus 20:13; Deuteronomy 5:17)
• "...murders... they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Galatians 5:21)
• "...no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:15)
• "...murderers... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)
• "For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters..." (Revelation 22:15)
Jesus and Paul both reiterated the Old Testament prohibition against murder:
• "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment." (Matthew 5:21)
• "...Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill...." (Romans 13:9)
Murder is listed right alongside sins like sorcery, fornication, robbery.
• "Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings..." (Galatians 5:21)
• "Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts." (Revelation 9:21)
• "...murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars..." (Revelation 21:8)

On Violence:
God destroyed the earth with a flood because of the extent violence had spread:
• "...the earth was filled with violence... Then God said to Noah, 'The end of all flesh has come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence... behold, I am about to destroy them...'" (Genesis 6:13).
"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven..." (Matthew 5:43, 45)
Oppression of the innocent is condemned throughout Scripture:
See:
www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/1003593496.html
Allah himself is really the one slaying them:
• "It is not us who slay them but Allah, in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself." (Koran 8:17; cp. Surah Al-Baqarah 2:190)
• Allah "will punish them by our hands..." (Koran 9:14).
Jihad is mandatory.
• "Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place" (Koran 9:38-39).
• "And what is the matter with you that you do not fight in the cause of Allah and for those weak, ill treated and oppressed among men, women and children whose only cry is; 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors..." (Surah An-Nisa 4:75)
• "Believers, when you encounter the armies of the infidels do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons, or to join another band he shall incur the wrath of Allah and Hell shall be his home: an evil fate." (Koran 8:12-17)
"The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto (in degree): but if a person forgives and make reconciliation his reward is due from Allah: For (Allah) loves not those who do wrong." (Koran 42:40)
"You have heard it said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. But I say unto you, do not resist him who is evil; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also. (Matthew 5:38, 39)"
It is acceptable to break treaties and obligations with pagans and make war on them whenever strong enough to do so (Koran 9:3).
• (Hadeeth)
On Murder:
Forbidden:
• "Thou shalt not kill (murder)." (Exodus 20:13; Deuteronomy 5:17)
• "...murders... they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Galatians 5:21)
• "...no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." (1 John 3:15)
• "...murderers... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Revelation 21:8)
• "For without [are] dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters..." (Revelation 22:15)
Jesus and Paul both reiterated the Old Testament prohibition against murder:
• "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment." (Matthew 5:21)
• "...Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill...." (Romans 13:9)
Murder is listed right alongside sins like sorcery, fornication, robbery.
• "Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings..." (Galatians 5:21)
• "Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts." (Revelation 9:21)
• "...murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars..." (Revelation 21:8)

On Violence:
God destroyed the earth with a flood because of the extent violence had spread:
• "...the earth was filled with violence... Then God said to Noah, 'The end of all flesh has come before Me; for the earth is filled with violence... behold, I am about to destroy them...'" (Genesis 6:13).
"You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.' But I say to you, love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you in order that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven..." (Matthew 5:43, 45)
Oppression of the innocent is condemned throughout Scripture:
See:
www.blueletterbible.org/tmp_dir/words/1003593496.html
Allah himself is really the one slaying them:
• "It is not us who slay them but Allah, in order that He might test the Believers by a gracious trial from Himself." (Koran 8:17; cp. Surah Al-Baqarah 2:190)
• Allah "will punish them by our hands..." (Koran 9:14).
Jihad is mandatory.
• "Unless we go forth, (for Jihad) He will punish us with a grievous penalty, and put others in our place" (Koran 9:38-39).
• "And what is the matter with you that you do not fight in the cause of Allah and for those weak, ill treated and oppressed among men, women and children whose only cry is; 'Our Lord, rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors..." (Surah An-Nisa 4:75)
• "Believers, when you encounter the armies of the infidels do not turn your backs to them in flight. If anyone on that day turns his back to them, except it be for tactical reasons, or to join another band he shall incur the wrath of Allah and Hell shall be his home: an evil fate." (Koran 8:12-17)
"The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto (in degree): but if a person forgives and make reconciliation his reward is due from Allah: For (Allah) loves not those who do wrong." (Koran 42:40)
"You have heard it said, An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth. But I say unto you, do not resist him who is evil; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn to him the other also. (Matthew 5:38, 39)"
It is acceptable to break treaties and obligations with pagans and make war on them whenever strong enough to do so (Koran 9:3).
http://www.dianedew.com/islam.htm

On the Treatment of Women

posted May 22, 2007 04:16 PM            

Most of those quotes are Hydiaths! They aren't even quotes from the Quaraan.

posted May 22, 2007 04:28 PM              

Don't get mad Xodian. Face the truth about your religion. I know it hurts but lucky me I don't depend on religion to live or a holy book.

Don't beat me up Xodian...like the Koran says to, since I am a woman and I'm being a bad girl

posted May 22, 2007 04:30 PM              

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ethnocentric? Its Xenophobes like you who p%ss me off and I gladly stay away from.

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Wow your so cool. You looked up two words in the dictionary and now you swear that it's actually part of you normal vocabulary LOL.

Stay away from? This is the internet, we don't see each other.

And what's with the rage? LOL calm down before you give yourself a titi attack. You're not even a Muslim. I can picture you snorting like a hog and turning all red ROFL.

And learn? this isn't school missy. What the hell are you talking about?

Vieja hijueputa.

posted May 22, 2007 04:36 PM              

Praise Allah

posted May 22, 2007 05:39 PM            

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And what's with the rage? LOL calm down before you give yourself a titi attack. You're not even a Muslim. I can picture you snorting like a hog and turning all red ROFL.

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There was no rage there, just annoyance that you're not taking off the Western-tinted-Sunglasses when analyzing other cultures (Btw, this is figuratively speaking...not literal). And no, I'm not a muslim but your kicking dirt over things you obviously do not understand,and there is nothing more irritating to me. And is it just me or is it really ironic that you happen to be looking at the Quran from the same angle as the Fundamentalists/Terrorists that you just so happen to be against?

quote:

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You know DL, if you were a Muslim woman and you were to speak like that to your husband....you'd be stoned to death.

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posted May 22, 2007 07:40 PM            

"Beware of the man who works hard to learn something, learns it, and finds himself no wiser than before. He is full of murderous resentment of people who are ignorant without having come by their ignorance the hard way." ~~ Bokonon

posted May 23, 2007 08:52 AM            

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Vieja hijueputa.

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posted May 23, 2007 09:39 AM            

I really have to doubt you in everything you have just said. I doubt you even have a muslim friend who gave you such links because frankly... from what I have gathered you have written... I gotta say its quite deporable and a very very poor excuse for backup resouces.

posted May 23, 2007 09:50 PM            

Blue Baby,

What a mish - mash of disinformation

I have studied the Quran and your sources are skewed . I would suggest a more reliable translation of the Quran.

A distortion of the Holy Texts (by ANY Faith) creates the very anger/zeal you are perpetuating and condemming.

I strongly recommend a site that has the three most reliable translations by Abdullah Yusuf Ali, Marmaduke Pickthall and M H Shakir.

I will add a link to one:

http://www.quotesandpoem.com/literature/literaryworks/Religion/Quran_(Koran)_Translations_in_English_by_Abdullah_Yusuf_Ali,_Marmaduke_Pickthall_and_M_H_Shakir

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

posted May 23, 2007 10:29 PM              

DL, What i was trying to say was that when i first read the topic "This is why i hate islam" I thought (here we go..)Somebody "HATES" [key word] "ISLAM"-{The whole body of Muslim believers, their civilization, and the countries in which theirs is the dominant religion.}

So immediatly i thought 'Now that is a big call..i would love to hear this persons justification..' TO be honest i thought it was a ridiculous thing to say hence why i wrote that it was irrational thinking (-was trying to sound half polite).

posted May 23, 2007 11:49 PM            

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So immediatly i thought 'Now that is a big call..i would love to hear this persons justification..' TO be honest i thought it was a ridiculous thing to say hence why i wrote that it was irrational thinking (-was trying to sound half polite).

Black's Law Dictionary defines "irrational" as meaning: unresonable; foolish; unwise; absurd; silly; preposterous; senseless; stupid".
1. without the faculty of reason; deprived of reason.
2. without or deprived of normal mental clarity or sound judgment.
3. not in accordance with reason; utterly illogical: irrational arguments.

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posted May 24, 2007 02:09 AM              

I can understand why you thought the thread i posted was very ridiculous. It is hard to see truth when you are viewing something from a subjective point of view. Sometimes people need to take a step back and look at things objectively, which is one of the problems when debating about religion - everyone is seeing things from their own subjective point of view.

It is not a mattter of 'reserving the right' to refer to the comment as irrational. I have that right whether or not my article was ridiculous. Calling somebody an idiot is much more of an offense if you ask me.

The distinction between the two is obvious. I am not claiming to know everything-because i dont-no one does! I will listen and take in everything a person has to say and if i think they have a valid point against my own i will change my way of thinking on that particular thing. Im not trying to 'win' an argument. I will make up my own opinion with an open mind and accept if i have been mistaken in my views.

posted June 03, 2007 05:45 PM            

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You're right to say that the article did not speak for every single aspect of christianity; but i did not claim it to have. It was basically a brief overview of the worst of christianity.

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