posted June 12, 2007 11:39 PM            

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THAT is the biggest croc of i have ever heard!!-Those who are equal need no justification--?!?!?! Im Sorry But that is obsurd, thats like someone saying "all the muslims in the world are evil-doers, im going to kill them all!" Now i cant ask that person 'Why do you think that'.?? Its asking people 'why' that makes them have to THINK. And in this day and age we need people to THINK.

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Actually, I think she was talking along the line of religious/spiritual beliefs and not prejudices. Two seperate and completely different things.

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Dulce Luna, i hope we have not got off on the wrong foot, You mentioned before that you were from East Africa, where are you now?

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posted June 13, 2007 05:54 AM            

Is putting you in a position where someone needs to answer to you. And I mean equals need no justificition in the fact that no one has to answer to you if they don't want to. Simple as that. People the have to answer to (government, legislation, parental figures, etc.) are authority figures. OBVIOUSLY. So by you saying you're askng someone to justify their beliefs it correlates with that concept. Now if you ASK someone WHY they believe in something, it's different. As I said before..

Or again, did you not read?

THANK you, Dulce. Again. I guess some people just don't read between the lines.

And I'm from New England. Connecticut to be exact. And I'm a 12'41 Sag Ascendant.

It's getting too touchy in here. Too much drama and stuff...I'm about to close my argument with this thread because frankly I shouldn't be wasting this much valuable time on something that's not that important. No offense but I've got more pressing things to be focusing on....

Soooooo, I sum up my position.

Too many egos on LL. Treat everyone with respect. Have a nice day :-)

posted June 14, 2007 03:01 AM              

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Religious and spiritual beliefs need to be questioned even more so. As the power of religion over humanity increases -What is being passed down from generation to generation need to be looked at very, very carefully.
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Alana, get to know someone before you assume they are egotistical, dont be so quick to judge... I am not judging you. Enough said. This conversation is impossible to have over the internet.

posted June 14, 2007 07:53 AM            

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Religious and spiritual beliefs need to be questioned even more so. As the power of religion over humanity increases -What is being passed down from generation to generation need to be looked at very, very carefully

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posted June 14, 2007 06:24 PM            

Seriously, Kate. I tried to walk away and just drop it. But it's beyond me how you continue to read like two lines and try and argue about something, and about how someone else doesn't read before they post.

My god, at least I get the main points when I skim-read and comment. Do you even try?

You don't have to know someone to see if they're being egotistical or not, it radiates through the frikkin computer screen. I never said you as a person were an egomaniac with an obsession with yourself....I just said there's a lot of egos here. And there are. And some, clearly are FAR too inflamed and oversensitive to keep themselves in a healthy position.

You keep making attempts to argue something you don't even bother to read fully.

I love intelligent debate. I live for it. Intelligent debate. Once again, this is no debate. Because you can't see beyond your front yard, and not only that but you snub your nose at everyone elses'.

Are you just too proud to admit that I'm on the right path here? At least with the difference between justifying vs. questioning. I'm not saying anything else but that the differnce between those two is immaculate. And we need to recognize those before we even decide to start a "debate" about anything religious/spiritual.

You're going off on a tangent trying to justify what you call your "questioning" of others, which is really like I said..you trying to get others convince you or show you something that YOU can believe. That's not the job of OTHER people, that's YOUR job.

Like I said, no one said you can't ask WHY...but there's a difference between asking WHY and demanding someone to prove to you WHY something's RIGHT or BETTER or JUST (hence..."justify")

I may not agree with you. But I respect you enough to read what you post and actually THINK about it. Wow...so far beyond me.

By the way, where is your Mercury, by sign, house, and aspect. I'm verrrry curious.

posted June 14, 2007 08:29 PM              

You're going off on a tangent trying to justify what you call your "questioning" of others, which is really like I said..you trying to get others convince you or show you something that YOU can believe. That's not the job of OTHER people, that's YOUR job.
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You toooootally misunderstand me. No its not 'trying to get others to convice me'. I must not have explained myself because that paragraph is way off line. Im not trying to get people to show me something so I can believe?!? what the?!? The point of asking somebody why, for eg. why do you believe in noahs ark? IS not to 'see whether i should believe it or not' to try and get them to convice me' its totally the opposite! I KNOW what i believe.. i am asking that person to ask themself! (I know why the majority of people might believe in noahs ark for instance) -the point is to stimulate that person into asking themself 'yeah..why do i belive it?'. Often some people dont get that far, and its not their fault, im not having a go at them!

Like I said, no one said you can't ask WHY...but there's a difference between asking WHY and demanding someone to prove to you WHY something's RIGHT or BETTER or JUST (hence..."justify")
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I am not 'demanding' at all where did that come from? I think you might be imagining a much worse tone on my posts than their actually is.
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My mercury is at 16cancer in the 5th house. Closest Aspects are still fairly wide in orb.
*conj.mars/22cancer (also 5th house) - i just know your going to hold that against me lol.
*trine asc. 11pisces.

posted June 15, 2007 05:54 AM            

What's your major, Dulce? I used to be a science major myself. Nuclear Astrophysics...but then I dropped that because my Libra MC overthrew it and shoved me into Marketing/Public Relations

And I agree. My dad is a scientist and an engineer but he's also a die hard Southern Baptist.

posted June 15, 2007 10:26 AM            

Kate Julia,

I'm a cancer sun/cap asc. with a 12th house saturn.

posted June 15, 2007 02:14 PM            

Scorpio Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Pluto
Sun conjunct Pluto

Sun at 2'53...Mercury at 26'33.

Moon in Leo 8th house
Venus in Scorpio 11th house
Mars in Aquarius 2nd house

Jupiter in Pisces..3rd..

I've got Saturn and Uranus conjunct my AC (Saturn from the 12th, Uranus from the 1st)

Dulce,

Yea that makes sense. My Libra MC/10th house has no planets. But Venus is the ruler of my 5th and 6th as well...trying in entertainment and service. With Venus/11th conjunct Mercury I couldn't escape the pull of communications

posted July 12, 2007 11:08 PM            

I personally have no issue with people "preaching", or trying to teach whatever it is they believe they know to others, provided they can do it in a mature and respectful manner. In fact, I think it is an admirable thing, to want to share knowledge. If someone believes that I am in possession of an untruth, I hope they will try to correct me and inform me of what they think is true. I may end up aggreeing with them, and find myself thankful.

"The bible teaches that the earth was created approx 6000 years ago."

I may be wrong, but from what I've heard, this number was determined by a group of so-called Christians, as Isis said, who added up the ages of all the generations from Adam to Jesus; it is never actually stated in the Bible.

It's worth considering here that the Bible, like most all religious texts, is loaded with symbolism. This is the source of much confusion for people who seek to interpret figurative passages literally, and it is what the Bible refers to as reading the letter (and not the spirit) of scripture.

Whoever wrote the article on Astrology is apparently not aware of some differing interpretations of astrological principles that exist among astrologers. For instance, the notion that the planets cause things is not held by a significant portion of the astrological community. Many believe that the law of "correspondence", and not "cause", is at work. This means that the planets correspond to men just as shadows do; not causing the shape of their bodies or their behaviors, but, rather, reflecting them.