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ListensToTrees
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posted September 23, 2007 07:54 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-2723760879538786930

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It would be nice to evolve some sort of telethapy of the heart; empathy. A feeling, knowing inside how we are all interconnected. Empathy/ love would be a a law unto itself.

I have been wondering- perhaps we are only 'Free' or have 'Free Will' in as much as we are spiritually awakened. We are like Gods in amnesia. This amnesia is the source of our soul-sickness.

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posted September 24, 2007 01:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Tell me Johnny...and everyone else who is enthralled with the conspiracy theory which has Bush as the culprit of the 9/11 attacks; where is the evidence of bomb residue which would be present if explosives were set off in the WTC?

You cannot continue to hide behind bullshiiit while continuing to make absurd claims.

In any explosion, there is residue from the explosive used and it's all over the debris...if and only if an explosive was used. It took months to clean up the WTC site. Anyone could have picked up a piece of debris...and it should have had detectable bomb residue on it...since conspiracy theorists CLAIM explosives were set on ALL the floors and detonated in sequence to bring the buildings down.

So, where is the proof of bomb residue which of necessity would have to be present?

Conspiracy theorists are always going to be behind the curve. Mainly because their theory is bullshiiit.

So far, I've shown what happens and what happened to blow the windows out of the buildings when the floors started collapsing...and why it happens and would happen in any similar circumstance. I've also gone over the bullshiiit of the steel melting point...but it didn't have to melt for the building to fall down.

Like I said, conspiracy theorists are always behind the curve and especially so in this instance. When one of their pet theories are punctured, they simply move on to another.

But this is endgame for this conspiracy theory. There were thousands of people working on the cleanup of the WTC site...most of whom were civilians and contractors...in no way associated with the Untied States government.

Where is one piece of WTC debris with bomb residue present and why haven't the nuts...Concerned Scientists for 9/11 Bullshiiit managed to find even on piece of bomb residue coated debris from the 9/11 site?

The residue of every explosive is detectable and the explosive is easily catagorized by type...right down to the manufacturer and country of manufacture.

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posted September 24, 2007 04:57 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Your faith that YOU know YOU are RIGHT, jwhop, is impressive.

Free your mind!

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posted September 24, 2007 06:32 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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ListensToTrees
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posted September 24, 2007 05:26 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ListensToTrees Edit/Delete Message I feel that we must of course be aware and acknowledge what goes on in the world.

But also, Nietzsche said that if you stare too long into the abyss, the abyss will stare back into you.....

We must focus on positive thoughts. It is more important than ever right now. The Earth suffers from the destructive emotions we pollute the atmosphere with.

If we focus on the negativity in each other, we amplify it.
But if we focus on the positive, we amplify that instead.

Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.
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Contradictions!

And now ListensToTrees, you are implying to Jwhop that you know more than he does, and he should free his Mind..

I agree with Jwhop!

LOve and Reverence to ALL. ...

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posted September 24, 2007 07:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm not applying I know more than he does. But we need both discrimination and analysis. We need to analyze all the facts first. What I see here is jwhop dismissing certain facts in favour of his, rather than weighing up the two sides. I have tried to explain that I wish to see both sides........

Now back to the words I wrote in FFA:

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I feel that we must of course be aware and acknowledge what goes on in the world.

Exactly.

We are strong enough to handle the truth, whatever the truth may be

It's all about maintaining balance.

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It would be nice to evolve some sort of telethapy of the heart; empathy. A feeling, knowing inside how we are all interconnected. Empathy/ love would be a a law in itself

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posted September 24, 2007 07:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is no contradiction. I have said what I mean. Let us be aware of all the evidence we can gather. Let us strive to find the real truth.

I didn't say let us go into our own bubble or bury our heads in the sand.

But it is difficult to gather evidence together and be constructive if all people want to do is ***** and fight and use derogatory words such as 'moron', etc.

Beam me up, Scottie!

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It would be nice to evolve some sort of telethapy of the heart; empathy. A feeling, knowing inside how we are all interconnected. Empathy/ love would be a a law in itself

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posted September 24, 2007 07:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't think you want the Truth, I think too many people are just like you ListensToTrees, you want to believe the worse, you want something to itch about..You research it, post it all over Lindaland, and feed feed feed it! Like you want to believe it ALL. ...

Well, WELL over half of it, is lies, I'd say at least 75% is lies, so, what the heck is it you are doing, and what are you trying to accomplish, In YOUR MIND!

This is the World of Illusion. ...

LOve and Reverence to ALL... .

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posted September 25, 2007 06:10 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Well, WELL over half of it, is lies, I'd say at least 75% is lies, so, what the heck is it you are doing, and what are you trying to accomplish, In YOUR MIND

Why are you getting so worked up about this for?

You are assuming that my intentions are not good ones. This is hurtful.

How do you know what I want to believe?

How would you have any idea how I feel?

Assumption is the bane of understanding

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posted September 25, 2007 06:21 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have not had time to make a big study of it, all I can say is that if it is true that there is a government conspiracy, surely the government will undoubtedly try to put lies out there to counteract the other 'conspiracy' information- of which I'm sure must have at least some inaccuracy in it, though how much it is not for any of us to say.

The most reliable sources of evidence must surely be from eye witnesses, people who have been there, who saw and heard what was happening.
Photographs and video footage would be the next most reliable resource, although these should be examined for any tampering.


I'm sorry if there are people who can't see that people like me who want to talk about this and share this as much as possible, are doing it because we care, at least I can swear to you that is my reason, indeed my only reason.

I did not dig up much of what I have posted myself, it was given to me by others. Naturally, I felt alarmed by all I saw and wanted to do all I could, the little I could.

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posted September 25, 2007 06:23 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Adios!

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jwhop
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posted September 25, 2007 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rational people do not continue to make wild allegations in the face of solid scientific evidence to the contrary.

Rational people do not consider "what COULD BE TRUE" and allege it IS TRUE; especially when scientific evidence is presented that it IS NOT TRUE.

Leftists everywhere never concentrate on what is true. They would rather explore the issue of possible consequences if their BS allegations were actually true.

In other words, it's not whether something is true of false...but rather the seriousness of the allegation which must receive attention.

In that arena:

The actions and inactions of Commander Corruption, aka Bill Clinton, are the proximate cause of the attacks of 9/11.

Now, if some leftists would like to argue against that statement I'll be happy to lay it all out for you...chapter and verse.

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naiad
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posted September 25, 2007 01:25 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i'd love to see that Jwhop.

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lotusheartone
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posted September 25, 2007 03:28 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Rational people, hehe
there aren't too many of those around! LOL

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OMG Jay
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posted September 25, 2007 04:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I rather go with what PEOPLE WHO WERE ACTUALLY THERE SAW.

Who the hell are you to say they are lying when they were there experiencing it?

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posted September 26, 2007 02:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
People do lie.

They lie for money.
They lie for power.
They lie for ideology.
They lie for approval.

Now Jay, where is your proof...other than the word of a person whose words have already been proved to be lies?

Where Jay is any...any proof at all of detonations of bombs in the WTC.

If you can't answer that question then you've already lost this conspiracy theory argument.

If the WTC had been bombed there would be explosive residue...all over the debris. Where is that bomb residue?

If you can't answer that question then continued argument of a conspiracy by Bush and company must be consigned to the bullshiiit pile and those making those arguments must be consigned to the nutty putty fringe.

Good riddance.

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posted October 06, 2007 02:01 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey, check this out this cool, short cartoon/ video starring Aaron Russo and other people who seem familiar!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXNbhh2R6uc

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posted October 06, 2007 02:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Part 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTl9jdPOeiE

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There's a VERY plausible reason for Bush to be involved in starting a War. It has nothing to do with taking over the world and everything to do with getting rich.

Same sh-- different politician. I'm so sorry some people have embraced this guy for so long. I voted for him the first time around..Gore or Bush. It was crap shoot back then. Boy did I shoot snake eyes. Still, Gore would've been "craps" too.

See also: The Carlyle Group

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posted February 05, 2008 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Daf has found another villain. The tail which wags the dog...the Carlyle Group.

Little late Daf. We had a very hard look at the Carlyle Group here, long ago.

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posted February 05, 2008 01:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Once upon a time. Someone told me that there was no problem related to concrete.

(On the Schizophrenic Ways of Modern Conservation)

This person told me it was ridiculous that concrete production was any threat to our water supply over time and stated many "facts" (really opinions spoken with authority) that all proved to be irrelevant and based on little to no investigation.

In fact, the person in question, soon changed the subject and started to attack my love of country when they couldn't back up their statements with any evidence..as I remember.

I provided the evidence. The studies. I spent hours pouring through the figures, doing the calculations. I spent days recording the actual figures to crank through my actual calculator to find out what is REALLY going on. And this person just spouts things and quotes things they read somewhere. No effort at all. Just a lot of hot air.

I have no faith in that person's ability to investigate ANYTHING in an unbiased manner. Just so everyone knows. They've proven their ability to be unbiased, and they don't have one.

I wonder if that person has done as thorough an investigation of the Carlyle Group as they did of the concrete issue?

It'll be interesting to find out. I'll be collecting the data, analyzing it, and providing it for everyone's inspection and scrutiny. It's what I do.

Here is what I believe. We'll see what the facts say about it:

It is my contention that the Bush family and friends, James Baker III and all of their cronies made an INCREDIBLE amount of money off of this War.

It is also my contention that the Carlyle Group and its holdings have benefited
extensively from this War and have enough contacts in government..particularly the Department of Defense to keep it going.

And it is my THEORY that the goal is to keep the war going for as long as our SLOOOOw legal process allows them to. They're just milking the cow. They don't care if we win or lose..as long as they get every drop out before the last sympathetic "hawk" President is out of office. The defense industry makes money in cycles.

As before, sources will be provided which aren't funded by any particular "side" in the debate.

Let's see how well the investigation was performed by our resident "expert." It's easy to be an expert when no one is checking the statements that are made. I check.

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posted February 06, 2008 02:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I haven't seen any love of your country daf...and therefore nothing along that line to attack.

What is under review is your Chicken Little beliefs that the sky is falling all around you...in every single facet of life...and that we must do something. Something along the lines of declaring you the Mr. Fixit Guru and following you like Lemmings marching in lockstep over the cliffs and into the sea.

For that daf, you're going to have to find, Ducky Lucky and Goosey Loosey.

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What happened to William Rodriguez the morning of 9/11 is a miracle. What happened to his story after-the-fact is a tragedy.

But with miracles and tragedies comes truth. And truth is exactly what Rodriguez brings to the whole mystery surrounding 9/11.

Declared a hero for saving numerous lives at Ground Zero, he was the janitor on duty the morning of 9/11 who heard and felt explosions rock the basement sub-levels of the north tower just seconds before the jetliner struck the top floors.

He not only claims he felt explosions coming from below the first sub-level while working in the basement, he says the walls were cracking around him and he pulled a man to safety by the name of Felipe David, who was severely burned from the basement explosions.

All these events occurred only seconds before and during the jetliner strike above. And through it all, he now asks a simple question everybody should be asking? How could a jetliner hit 90 floors above and burn a man’s arms and face to a crisp in the basement below within seconds of impact?

Rodriguez claims this was impossible and clearly demonstrates a controlled demolition brought down the WTC, saying "Let’s see them (the government) try to wiggle out of this one."

Well, they haven’t wiggled out of it because the government continues to act like Rodriguez doesn’t exist, basically ignoring his statements and the fact he rescued a man burnt and bleeding from the basement explosions.

His eye witness account, ignored by the media and the government, points the finger squarely on an official cover-up at the highest levels since the government contends the WTC fell only from burning jet fuel. And after listening to Rodriguez, it’s easy to see why the Bush administration wants him kept quiet.

Bush wants him quiet because Rodriguez’s account is ‘proof positive’ the WTC was brought down by a controlled demolition, not burning jet fuel. And Bush knows if he’s caught lying about this or caught in a cover-up, it’s just a matter of time before the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.

In fact, Rodriguez’s story is so damaging – so damning – it literally blows the lid off the government story, literally exposing the whole 9/11 investigation as a sham and a cover-up of the worst kind.

And it appears the cover-up also extends to the media.

NBC news knew about his story several years ago, even spending a full day at his house taping his comments. But when push came to shove, his story was never aired. Why?

His eyewitness account, backed up by at least 14 people at the scene with him, isn’t speculation or conjecture. It isn’t a story that takes a network out on a journalistic limb. It’s a story that can be backed up, a story that can be verified with hospital records and testimony from many others.

It’s a story about 14 people who felt and heard the same explosion and even saw Rodriguez, moments after the airplane hit, take David to safety, after he was burnt so bad from the basement explosion flesh was hanging from his face and both arms

So why didn’t NBC or any other major news outlets cover the story? They didn’t run it because it shot the government story to hell and back. They didn’t run it because "the powers at be" wouldn’t allow it.

Since 9/11, Rodriguez has stuck to his guns, never wavering from what he said from day one. Left homeless at times, warned to keep quiet and subtly harassed, he nevertheless has continued trying to tell get his message out in the face of a country not willing to listen.

Here is his story:

The Miracle

It’s a miracle Rodriguez, 44, who worked at the WTC for 20 years, is even alive. Usually arriving to work at 8:30am, the morning of 9/11 he reported 30 minutes late. If he’d arrived on time, it would have put him at the top floors just about the same time the jetliner hit the north tower.

"It was a miracle. If I arrived on time, like always, I’d probably be dead. I would have been up at the top floors like every morning," said Rodriguez about the quirk of fate that saved his life.

But since he was late, Rodriguez found himself checking into work in an office on sub-level 1 when the north tower was hit, seemingly out of harms way. However, the sound and concussion of a massive explosion in the sub-levels right below his feet changed that.

"When I heard the sound of the explosion, the floor beneath my feet vibrated, the walls started cracking and it everything started shaking," said Rodriguez, who was huddled together with at least 14 other people in the office.

Rodriguez said Anthony Saltamachia, supervisor for the American Maintenance Co., was one of the people in the room who stands ready to verify his story.

"Seconds after the first massive explosion below in the basement still rattled the floor, I hear another explosion from way above," said Rodriguez. "Although I was unaware at the time, this was the airplane hitting the tower, it occurred moments after the first explosion."

But before Rodriguez had time to think, co-worker Felipe David stormed into the basement office with severe burns on his face and arms, screaming for help and yelling "explosion! explosion! explosion!"

David had been in front of a nearby freight elevator on sub-level 1 about 400 feet from the office when fire burst out of the elevator shaft, causing his injuries.

"He was burned terribly," said Rodriguez. "The skin was hanging off his hands and arms. His injuries couldn’t have come from the airplane above, but only from a massive explosion below. I don’t care what the government says, what scientists say. I saw a man burned terribly from a fire that was caused from an explosion below.

"I know there were explosives placed below the trade center. I helped a man to safety who is living proof, living proof the government story is a lie and a cover-up.

"I have tried to tell my story to everybody, but nobody wants to listen. It is very strange what is going on here in supposedly the most democratic country in the world. In my home country of Puerto Rico and all the other Latin American countries, I have been allowed to tell my story uncensored. But here, I can’t even say a word."

After Rodriguez escorted David to safety outside the WTC, he returned to lead the others in the basement to safety as well. While there, he also helped two other men trapped and drowning in the basement elevator shaft, another result he says of the explosives placed below the tower.

In fact, after leading these men to safety, he even made another trip back into the north tower, against police orders, in order to rescue people from the top floors.

"I never could make it to the top, but I got up to the 33rd floor after getting some of my equipment and a face mask out of the janitor’s closet," said Rodriguez, adding he heard a series of small explosions going off between the 20th and 30th floors, unrelated to the airplane strike, while making his way through the stairwell to the top floors.

"Also, when I was on the 33rd floor, I heard strange sounds coming form the 34th floor, loud noises like someone moving and thumping heavy equipment and furniture. I knew this floor was empty and stripped due to construction work so I avoided it and continued to make my way up the stairs."

Rodriguez said he finally reached the 39th floor before being turned back by fire fighters and then, reluctantly, started his dissent back down and his own flight to safety while, at the same time, hearing explosions coming from the South Tower.

The Tragedy

The concerted effort by the media and the government to silence Rodriguez is the tragedy behind this American hero’s story. And there is no question, Rodriguez is a "silent hero" for saving so many lives and for having the courage to continue telling his story against tremendous odds.

In an effort to open a fair and honest investigation as to why the WTC collapsed, Rodriguez has been ignored by government officials, the 9/11 Commission and the National Institute of Safety and Technology (NIST).

NIST, an independent investigative group funded by the government, put the finishing touches this week on its 2 year $35 million 9/11 investigation. This week Rodriguez made his final plea to have his story heard while testifying at the final public hearing held in New York.

" I disagree 100%with the government story," said Rodriguez. "I met with the 9/11 Commission behind closed doors and they essentially discounted everything I said regarding the use of explosives to bring down the north tower.

"And I contacted NIST previously four times without a response. Finally, this week I asked them before they came up with their conclusion that jet fuel brought down the towers, if they ever considered my statements or the statements of any of the other survivors who heard the explosions. They just stared at me with blank faces and didn’t have any answers.

"Also, The FBI never followed up on my claims or on the other part of my story when I told them before 9/11, I encountered one of the hijackers casing the north tower."

Besides the explosions, Rodriguez also has provided testimony to the 9/11 Commission that he stumbled across one of the supposed 19 Arab hijackers inside the WTC several months before 9/11

"I had just finished cleaning the bathroom and this guy asks me, 'Excuse me, how many public bathrooms are in this area?'" Rodriguez told the 9/11 Commission. "Coming from the school of the 1993 [Trade Center] bombing, I found it very strange. I didn't forget about it"

Rodriguez, claims he saw United Airlines Flight 175 hijacker Mohand Alshehri in June 2001, telling an FBI agent about the incident a month after the attacks. Never hearing back from the bureau, he later learned agents never followed up on the story.

"I'm very certain, I'll give it 90%" that Alshehri was casing the towers before the attacks," said Rodriguez.

Regarding the media’s apathetic approach to his story, Rodriguez said immediately after 9/11 some newspapers picked it up but his words were never taken seriously and quickly forgotten.

"During the 9/11 hearings, NBC brought a crew out to my house and spent a day taping my story but they never did air a word of it," said Rodriguez. "Since then, some reporters and commentators have subtly warned me to keep quiet, told me my life could be in jeopardy and warned me that I really didn’t understand who I was dealing with.

"I have been receiving this type of subtle harassment for years, but I keep telling everybody I can’t be intimidated because I am on a mission. Whenever someone asks why I keep talking or warns me that I could be killed, I just tell them I have nothing to lose.

"I tell them I lost 200 friends and I am their voice now. I tell them I will do everything in my power to find out the truth since I am living on borrowed time since I probably should be dead anyway."

Besides trying to tell his explosive story, Rodriguez has been active raising money for 9/11victims, being involved with charity groups that have raised more than $122 million. He says he has used over $60,000 of his own money, originally earmarked to buy a new house, in order to get at the truth behind 9/11.

Also seeking justice at the highest level, Rodriguez is the lead plaintiff in a federal RICO lawsuit filed against President Bush and others, alleging conspiracy to commit murder and other crimes in the deaths of more than 3,000 at the WTC.

The case, filed last November in a Philadelphia federal district court, recently was moved to New York in a change of venue after a government’s motion to dismiss was overruled, allowing legal discovery to continue.

"Even if the case goes no farther, I feel we have scored a victory by winning this first battle," said Rodriguez. "At least the judge seems willing to listen which is a victory of sorts. However, I sincerely hope we can eventually take the case all the way to trial and reveal the truth to the American people about 9/11."

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/240605officialstory.htm

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Wrote some pretty fun, stupid stuff in this reply. As expected, I couldn't leave it stand. Can't be adding to the mess around here..

It would've been fun though.

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