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Topic: Happy Birthday Jwhop
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silverstone
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posted September 10, 2007 07:35 PM
 
SattvicMoon, quote:
SattvicMoon
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posted September 04, 2007 01:09 PM
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That's not very nice, "I still like you despite yourself" Might as well not even say Happy Birthday to Jwhop... that's a f***cked up thing to say!
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- What is so wrong about that statement? Just because Acoustic is not a fanboy does that mean he can't wish someone and state an opinion for himself? oooohhhhhhh.... sorry, I forgot we were in Global Unity board!
 Are you serious? What's wrong with you? He doesn't have to like Jwhop nor agree with him, but that doesn't mean he should come in and wish a Fake Happy Birthday on Jwhop's thread... He said, "Happy Birthday, despite yourself" on his Birthday thread! Why even bother. If you didn't like my comment to AG, that's your problem. Most people can see right through his phony comment. Maybe you should go in FFA and post more pictures of yourself to make you feel better  ------------------
Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year....
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.
The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost IP: Logged |
SattvicMoon
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posted September 12, 2007 07:22 AM
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Why even bother. If you didn't like my comment to AG, that's your problem.
That is something you should have realized SilverStone - before you started this thread onto the downslide. AG's comment to Jwhop is perhaps your problem........ and you may need to get a life outside the communities as well. quote:
Are you serious? What's wrong with you? He doesn't have to like Jwhop nor agree with him, but that doesn't mean he should come in and wish a Fake Happy Birthday on Jwhop's thread...
I am serious - very much yes.Nothing, nothing wrong with me at all..... Infact the problem lies within you Silverstone and you know it. It is not Acoustic's statement but your judgemental shallow mindset that gave that skewed meaning to his words. Your view and judgement made his words a fake - it is within your mind, when Jwhop himself doesn't have any issues whatsoever! Some people in here need to get a life - and I am sorry to say that you are one of them - yes I am judgmental too - from various recent posts from you. Many people in here are trying to make this community an amicable place for people, but there are people like you who are taking it to the other extreme and unbalancing all the effort. quote:
Maybe you should go in FFA and post more pictures of yourself to make you feel better
You dont need to worry about me and my pictures, atleast I have some pictures to share, I dont need to fake it either.------------------
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Eleanore
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posted September 12, 2007 09:01 AM
Wow. This was a really nice thread for a while. Anybody have any idea how different this thread would look if it was AG's birthday thread and jwhop had commented with quote:
"balloons" Happy Birthday, AG. "balloons" I still like you despite yourself. "smiley face"
*NOTE*
The smilies are in quotes because otherwise this wouldn't post.
I can't help but wonder if anyone would have defended jwhop's "right" to say something unnecessarily rude. I wouldn't have, at least. Maybe it would have just been blamed on some "dark" forces? Without that excuse, it could just be the nasty "don't agree with the majority at LL all the time folk" out to ruin a positive thread and a conspiracy involving Randall to unfairly favor them with "mean word" double standards blah blah blah.
Since I've already put my own foot in this mess, I'll address one other thing. "Might as well be hanged for a dragon as an egg," and all that.
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I can still say Happy Birthday, and mean it despite not agreeing with his politics or personality. It would be more messed up to be so petty as to avoid his birthday altogether.
Certainly, you could say "happy birthday" and mean it to someone with whom you disagree politically or whose personality you find disagreeable, AG. What I find petty is simply having to mention anything negative about them at all on a thread of well wishes. What was the need for such a comment? What was its purpose? It isn't as though we all don't know how you feel about him already, is it? (Just thinking out loud, not trying to grill you.) Avoiding his birthday if you couldn't find something simply nice to say wouldn't have been petty ... it would have been self control. I have, at times, upset others with my honesty-is-always-the-best-policy way of thinking but it does go hand in hand with the idea that there is a time and a place for everything. I can understand your need for honesty, AG, but I just don't think this thread was the proper time or place for it. That's all. Hope this doesn't turn into an "OMG, Eleanore attacked AG" fiasco, now.  Just my opinions and no, you don't have to live by them nor does anyone else (requisite general disclaimer for the rest of us). All that said, it's really not a HUGE deal. I commented at last because I saw the way the thread had evolved and was sad. I had ignored the comment before as I imagine others did. Frankly, that kind of thing is common around here and trying to fight the main current is pretty fruitless in the end. Besides, I don't think jwhop lost any sleep over it and, as it was about him and he initially let it go ... it might be better for us all if we all could move on. Anyway ... I'll believe AG when he says he still likes jwhop despite the things he finds disagreeable about jwhop. I think it's important to realize how many of us may be liked by others despite ourselves at times. Better to be loved with your "flaws" intact than be expected to change for someone else or to be hated because of those "flaws" ... tolerance and all which, I'm finding, seems to be much less practiced than preached. And it's all subjective in the end, anyway. A flaw to me may be a virtue to you and vice versa. PS No, I'm not sure how what was meant to be a quick reply got so long. Again. Sorry about that. Too many words, too little time. IP: Logged |
silverstone
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posted September 12, 2007 12:06 PM
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Eleanore
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posted September 12, 2007 09:01 AM
Certainly, you could say "happy birthday" and mean it to someone with whom you disagree politically or whose personality you find disagreeable, AG. What I find petty is simply having to mention anything negative about them at all on a thread of well wishes. What was the need for such a comment? What was its purpose?
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Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year....
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.
The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost IP: Logged |
silverstone
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posted September 12, 2007 12:07 PM
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SattvicMoon
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From: Universal Citizen
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posted September 12, 2007 07:22 AM That is something you should have realized SilverStone - before you started this thread onto the downslide. AG's comment to Jwhop is perhaps your problem........ and you may need to get a life outside the communities as well
Realized, what? What he said was rude... it's that simple... I am entitled to respond to his comments. Most people did see that, but keep defending your friend! I said: "Are you serious? What's wrong with you? He doesn't have to like Jwhop nor agree with him, but that doesn't mean he should come in and wish a Fake Happy Birthday on Jwhop's thread..." Your resonse:
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I am serious - very much yes.
Nothing, nothing wrong with me at all..... Infact the problem lies within you Silverstone and you know it.
The problem is what I posted... quote:
It is not Acoustic's statement but your judgemental shallow mindset that gave that skewed meaning to his words. Your view and judgement made his words a fake
How old are you, Sattvic??? Yes, I did judge his statement for what it was. At least, I am not so stupid to actually view that, as "oh, no he didn't mean anything wrong by that..." The fact the you do not think what AG said is something rude to say on someone's Happy Birthday thread, tells me what an idiot you are. quote:
- it is within your mind, when Jwhop himself doesn't have any issues whatsoever!
He did notice it, but he's use to AG's passive aggresiveness. quote:
Some people in here need to get a life - and I am sorry to say that you are one of them - yes I am judgmental too - from various recent posts from you.
You don't know me to tell me I need to get a life. The fact that I responded to his comment or that I was being judgemental about it doesn't mean I need to get a life... But again, go keep kissing AG's ass! quote:
Many people in here are trying to make this community an amicable place for people, but there are people like you who are taking it to the other extreme and unbalancing all the effort.
Yeah, I can see you are, Sattvic... LOL. Crawl back under your rock. quote:
You dont need to worry about me and my pictures, atleast I have some pictures to share, I dont need to fake it either.
With the 20 or more pictures of yourself in FFA tells me you are the one who needs to get a life, psycho!
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Between the woods and frozen lake
The darkest evening of the year....
The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.
The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost
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SattvicMoon
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posted September 12, 2007 12:17 PM
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How old are you, Sattvic???
12Good luck Silverstone, you are not even on the same league for a discussion. ------------------
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SattvicMoon
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posted September 12, 2007 12:19 PM
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With the 20 or more pictures of yourself in FFA tells me you are the one who needs to get a life, psycho!
Thanks for counting, now we all know who is more interested to view the pictures in here.
Yeah, it gives me a high, and helps me with confidence...... it is the truth and I acknowledge.
And stop calling names, it can get ugly, and even if I get banned from the board, I wouldn't stand to lose a thing, but for you, you may not have a place to go and show off your idotic self-centered thoughts. ------------------
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lotusheartone
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posted September 12, 2007 12:33 PM
um, excuse me, how did this turn into personal attacks?Plain and simple, as I already stated, all AG had to do was say Happy Birthday, without anything negative attached. And Just as Eleanore pointed out, if it had been the other way around, and Jwhop said something negative with a Happy Birthday, what would have happened??? The herds would have come in hooting and hollering, using the old double standard..I'm glad Silverstone spoke up, I was going to, and hesitated and waited..why didn't I speak my Mind??? To keep Peace? When someone does soemthing negative, I think we should speak up! anyway, undertake to do ALL with LOve. ... Mwah! 
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AcousticGod
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posted September 12, 2007 12:38 PM
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I don't think Jwhop ever mentioned that. I think you are the one who feels different
It is a bit of Jwhopian logic that anyone with an iota of sense ought to be able to see. Here's Jwhop's math: Jwhop(Leo) & Lalalinda(Aries) = My Parents My Parents = People who knew a hell of a lot more than I did or likely ever will Therefore, Jwhop(Leo) & Lalalinda(Aries) = People who knew a hell of a lot more than I did or likely ever will Like most of Jwhop's arguments there are some serious lapses of logic contained within. There are more differences between Jwhop, Lalalinda, and my parents than I can count, the incorrect gender per Sun sign only starting the list. Like most things Jwhop posts these are designed to fool the lesser minds, but they don't stand up to any logical scrutiny at all. quote:
If you didn't like my comment to AG, that's your problem.
Sattvic answered exactly how I would have answered, which is to tell you that yours is an ironic answer considering that I could have said the same to you instead of explaining myself. Sattvic and I were born less than a month apart, so perhaps there's some empathy there that you don't comprehend. Neither of us have the kind of water in our chart that you do. As far as his posting pictures of himself, would you like me to start some commentary on what you spend your time at LL doing? IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted September 12, 2007 12:43 PM
AG, you are provoking, this is what you do, and you try to do it in a nice twisted way..unfortunately many of us see right through this!
You may want to try a new approach, the passive-aggressive one is worn out!LOve and Respect to ALL. ... P.S. It's just a suggestion..you could of stayed out of this string, but you come back for more and more.. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted September 12, 2007 01:02 PM
Eleanore, quote:
Without that excuse, it could just be the nasty "don't agree with the majority at LL all the time folk" out to ruin a positive thread and a conspiracy involving Randall to unfairly favor them with "mean word" double standards blah blah blah.
I don't think I understand what these lines are saying. quote:
What I find petty is simply having to mention anything negative about them at all on a thread of well wishes. What was the need for such a comment? What was its purpose? It isn't as though we all don't know how you feel about him already, is it? (Just thinking out loud, not trying to grill you.)
There is a certain degree of logic there. I said what I said as a matter of integrity. I said it in order to be consistent, while at the same time acknowledging his birthday, and not avoiding it. I do have to disagree that it would have been an act of self-control to have stayed out of the thread altogether. There are a small minority of people who believe for some reason that I'm consumed with ill feelings toward Jwhop. That small contingent would take my lack of comment as proof that their assumptions are correct. Their assumptions aren't correct, though. I am a person that compartamentalizes things. So Jwhop's political campaign is different in my eyes, than his personality outside of politics. I know that he is the same way. Outside of disagreeing with someone politically he's inclined to be more significantly more pleasant. quote:
Anyway ... I'll believe AG when he says he still likes jwhop despite the things he finds disagreeable about jwhop. I think it's important to realize how many of us may be liked by others despite ourselves at times. Better to be loved with your "flaws" intact than be expected to change for someone else or to be hated because of those "flaws" ... tolerance and all which, I'm finding, seems to be much less practiced than preached. And it's all subjective in the end, anyway. A flaw to me may be a virtue to you and vice versa.
 I was responding as I read your post, so I didn't realize you'd already sort of tackled this bit on my behalf. quote:
I think it's important to realize how many of us may be liked by others despite ourselves at times.
This is such a true statement in the LL community as a whole.  IP: Logged |
SattvicMoon
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posted September 12, 2007 01:02 PM
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[/quote]And Just as Eleanore pointed out, if it had been the other way around, and Jwhop said something negative with a Happy Birthday, what would have happened???
The truth is that Jwhop did not, it is someone else who felt ****** off for reasons only they know! quote:
When someone does soemthing negative, I think we should speak up!
Well, looking back, who did the negative and who spoke up?
Nothing against you Lotus, nor do I have any personal issues against anyone else either, but I personally got offended since SilverStone decided to take it on a personal level. This person do have lot of issues inside as we can read it - and this person is only using this instance to take it out. Good thing perhaps, helps to ease the mind, and it takes more than that to offend me.
Anyways, as I have stated my opinion, I wouldn;t be replying to anything regarding this in this thread. ------------------
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lotusheartone
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posted September 12, 2007 01:16 PM
The Truth is, Acoustic God takes everything and turns it around to suit his purpose, his agenda, and that is stalking Jwhop 24/7, and he thinks it's his role to do so..If he was true of Heart, he would have stayed out of it completely, but the truth is, he has no self control! He even brings up the fact that if he didn't say Happy Birthday, we would believe his intentions, so he has contradicted himSelf, he doesn't want us to know his true intentions, and those are of stalking, annoying, and provoking Jwhop, and of course Jwhop can stand for himSelf!
I think some of Us, see AG's true intentions for what they really are, and we won't be fooled! Enough!LOve to ALL. ... IP: Logged |
SattvicMoon
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posted September 12, 2007 01:30 PM
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of course Jwhop can stand for himSelf!
So, that solves the problem, right? quote:
I think some of Us, see AG's true intentions for what they really are, and we won't be fooled! Enough!
It is all a perception. Jwhop and AG do not have any personal issues, but other people have! Funny isn't it? And talking about hidden agendas, does an oppossing reply to Jwhop's post means people have a hidden agenda?
And when you say WE,also keep in mind that there are others too who can be called WE between themselves.
The intention matters. ------------------
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lotusheartone
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posted September 12, 2007 01:42 PM
SattvicMoon,
You said you were not returning to this thread..but you have..you see, everything
happens for a reason, and a season to know..
we all learn from one another, we are all teachers to each other..it's time for AG, to
look in the mirror, and accept responsibility for what he actual does! There is unfinished business with some of Us..so we need to come full circle, those posting here, are part of that! LOve and Respect to ALL. ... IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted September 12, 2007 01:47 PM
Is this birthday squabble gift wrapped?  ------------------
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SattvicMoon
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posted September 12, 2007 01:56 PM
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There is unfinished business with some of Us..so we need to come full circle, those posting here, are part of that!
That is the easy way out Lotus. A harmless snake hiding in the hole would come out and attack if people poke stick down onto it - it is a simple logic.That said - we both know very well that we dont have any issues between us..... And Juniper, it is a "self-wrapped" gift. hahahaha ------------------
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Dulce Luna
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posted September 12, 2007 01:58 PM
Holy putamadre.....after reading through 4 pages of this mess I have to say that this thread was going perfectly fine until somebody made a HUGE DEAL over one line that was meant to be in good jest. Obviously some people were trying to start some trouble. I won't name names but they know who they are.IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted September 12, 2007 01:59 PM
That is the easy way out???There is the big picture, there are two sides to everything..and a place to meet in the middle! It is not an easy path, Learning and Growing requires honesty and discipline, not easy at all. ... LOve and Reverence to ALL... . P.S. SattvicMoon, what is your interest in this thread? Why did you feel, you had to make that comment to Silverstone? IP: Logged |
SattvicMoon
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posted September 12, 2007 02:04 PM
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P.S. SattvicMoon, what is your interest in this thread? Why did you feel, you had to make that comment to Silverstone?
I never made a comment to SilverStone in the first place, I made a general opinion, but it was taken on a personal level (check back yourself). Now asking me what is my interest in this thread, what would be your's? Once you answer that, you will also understand what my answer would be. ------------------
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lotusheartone
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posted September 12, 2007 02:11 PM
For me personally, it goes back to KS, and the fact that AG ran that site, for all bad intentions, I know he may never come to realize this, but what he allowed to happen there was his responsibility..he basically turned his back on LL, and it's members..and has not atoned for this yet! There are also many other reasons..which I will not state!You may not have said Silverstone, but we all knew who your comment was directed at, Come on!? Anyway, this is pretty silly, but I believe it will continue til things change! LOve to ALL. ... IP: Logged |
SattvicMoon
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posted September 12, 2007 02:15 PM
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You may not have said Silverstone, but we all knew who your comment was directed at, Come on!?
Why assume? My comment was in reply to his post which I found was totally out of place and out of topic, not against him.
Good Luck.
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naiad
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posted September 12, 2007 02:31 PM
Jwhop and Acoustic God frequently engage in discourse together that is abrasive and discordant to some. i really think that it was not AG's intention to be rude or take a swipe at Jwhop in his birthday wishes here, although to some it appears that way. he meant his words in a humorous and lighthearted way. really, we all know that men don't always express themselves in the most affectionate ways...lol. esp men who butt heads and roar at each other as consistently as Jwhop and AG do.AG was sincere in his good wishes. sensitivities run high here though, and some took issue with the appearance of his words. that's understandable. it easily could be resolved with apologies all around. it's all about modes of expression and caring for each other anyway, in one sense or another...and it isn't a competition. it's just a family squabble, feelings get stepped on, egos get bruised. let's try to remember that a thick skin usually hides a delicate heart. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted September 12, 2007 02:41 PM
So, I guess by Lotus' logic Randall is completely responsible for anything that happens here. I don't see Randall accepting the blame for anyone's speech here. The premise is way off, Lotus, and the fact remains that I've always stated that I started that forum, and I've reitterated how it worked many times. I've let everyone know that I stand by my own words. If that's not taking responsibility for it, I don't know what is. Your disliking it isn't going to change what it is. There is no where else to go with this idea about KS. It's done. It's been done. You don't like me? Ok. That puts me in great company. IP: Logged |
lotusheartone
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posted September 12, 2007 02:48 PM
I did not say, "I don't like you",
please do not put words in my mouth..
I don't like what you did..it was under-handed, and backstabbing! So, you stand for this???LOve and Reverence to ALL. ... IP: Logged | |
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