posted September 02, 2007 11:39 PM              

Jwhop posts alot of great information, if you look through the pages, you can see that he is a dedicated man..
I have to say, that it appears to me, like you are stalking him, just to disagree with him..
If you disagree, wouldn't it be a good idea, to just start your own topic..and make your point from there..it seems that you do not start many topics..
what's the point of arguing with someone..just start your own topic with thoughts, facts, and beliefs...
it's strange to me that you follow him around..
Sorry if I have offended you..
and it wasn't nice to put a negative, into a happy birthday, just simply say happy birthday, and leave it at that..

LOve and Reverence to ALL. ...

posted September 02, 2007 11:47 PM              

AG, I am very well aware of all those threads. I did read them all...

I don't mean to pass judgement on you, but what you said was offensive.

posted September 03, 2007 12:23 AM            

I understand what you're saying. If you need me to put it into words I'd say that what you see is that often when Jwhop starts a thread I'll show up to oppose the information put forth in the thread. Because of the regularity that I do that it occurs to you that it's just a personal vendetta on my part.

All it takes for you to understand where I'm coming from is for you to hop into my shoes. Look at what's being said. Look at what I'm responding to. Am I responding to information from Jwhop that is both accurate and presented in a manor you would consider fair? Is him equating half our country to murderous Communists; Hitler, Saddam, and terrorist sympathizers reasonable in any way? No, it's not.

Now, part of the reason I've long felt it has to be me in this roll is because a lot of people can't handle Jwhop's abrasive, incendiary style. It doesn't bother me. I can take it. I could step away, and I'd be pretty assured that people would continue to take issue with the "great information" he puts out, but I couldn't be assured that anyone would stick with it in order to fully represent the dissenting view. Not everyone can keep in mind that in the end politics is about morals plain and simple.

I don't hate Jwhop, either. He's a decent man, a provider for his family I'm certain. He's a born leader. He's dynamic. He's bold. He's a Patriot.

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morals? are you kidding?
its about Power/Money
(even I know that one)

posted September 03, 2007 01:18 AM            

Perhaps you should have been here before you were, or even before I was. If you had a wider angle, you'd realize that I'm telling the truth.

Lalalinda,

Yes, of course politics is about morals. Why do you think politics and religion are the things you're not supposed to talk about in mixed company? They're linked. Politics relates to Power, and where Power is involved the issue is what is accomplished with the Power. What is done with the Power depends on the powerful person's morals and motives.

posted September 03, 2007 01:33 AM              

we need to work together, not against each other..we are all family, all connected..

Please see my last post in Free For ALL, under writesomething!

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Oh...what a tempting set up.
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acoustic
I have no idea what you meant by that comment.
It has nothing to do with copy and paste a piece that applies to you.
We have never had a problem in this forum and we're not going to start now. OK?
Why are you here?
You have trashed this forum and publicly stated there is nothing for you to learn here. Have some respect for the people here trying to learn. PLEASE

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*****"No one can top a double Aries." ******
I wonder if she meant Moon or ASC?

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Very accurate for just Sun Sign astrology. Amazing!
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i find that there are many capricorns in the low and/or middle classes although they will make it appear as though they are upper class or upper middle class.
but my lack of open aggressiveness and bragging or running my mouth has made me victorious in situations even when no one saw it coming.

everything else is basically on point.

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Yes i'm a capricorn with an aries moon and gemini rising. oh yea...

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Just from appearance, no one would guess I'm a Capricorn. I have strong Aquarian influences that make me less inclined to conform.
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You are also always bringing up what Linda Goodman wrote to Lalalinda:

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Before I left, he gave me a charming, gentle smile, and in a fascinating Hungarian accent, he said a funny thing. He said, "Capricorn will always triumph over Aries. The goat will win over the ram." It was spoken lightly, but he was quite serious. Outside the bookstore, I laughed to myself. "Imagine such conceit," I thought. "No one can top a double Aries." Know what? When I can't find certain books I need that have been out of print since Noah built the ark, the Capricorn comes up with them. Gradually, I've been forced to pay respectful tribute to his superiority. Now here I am crediting his Sun sign with qualities I envy, but don't possess. You see? Capricorn won.

Another confession. As an Aries, I hate to take direction. No Aries writer can stand to have anyone edit his work. Recently, it was suggested that a Capricorn woman go over some material I had written. I was infuriated. Outwardly I agreed, but secretly I decided that she wasn't going to change a single word of the product of my genius. I would only pretend to go along. She made her suggestions quietly, almost timidly, and against my will I saw only too clearly how intelligent they were. Why hadn't I thought of cutting that phrase and changing that word myself? After I had grudgingly followed her instructions to the letter, the improvement in the material was painfully obvious. Capricorn won again....Linda Goodman Sun Signs

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I think you take this out of context... As much as many people with the sign of Aries hate to take direction, many Capricorns are stubborn as hell and ambitious to the point where they lose as they are not very good at hiding it. Being in business, I've seen it many times with them, and they always lose ; they can also be very paranoid! This may not be true of all Capricorns, but the same can be said with Linda's statement. Two of my good friends are Capricorns so please don't turn this around and assume I dislike them.

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Happy Birthday Jwhop!
I still like you despite yourself.

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That's not very nice, "I still like you despite yourself" Might as well not even say Happy Birthday to Jwhop... that's a f***cked up thing to say!

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But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost

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I'm sorry you see it that way Silverstone. I see it the same way I'd see a family member who has ideas I don't particularly agree with. I can still say Happy Birthday, and mean it despite not agreeing with his politics or personality. It would be more messed up to be so petty as to avoid his birthday altogether.
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I'm sorry you see it that way Silverstone. I see it the same way I'd see a family member who has ideas I don't particularly agree with. I can still say Happy Birthday, and mean it despite not agreeing with his politics or personality. It would be more messed up to be so petty as to avoid his birthday altogether.

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Just because Jwhop has a complete different view than you doesn't mean you have to come at him that way! Quote: "I see it the same way I'd see a family member who has ideas I don't particularly agree with..." You are entitled to your opinions. If a family member had a different opinion than me I wouldn't say to them, "Happy Birthday, Brother, I still like you, despite yourself"

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It would be more messed up to be hypocritical about it.

I have nothing against you only that I found your reply to him appalling and arrogant.
That would be like a knowflake coming to your birthday thread and saying:

"Happy Birthday, Acoustic God, despite Randall not wanting you here, I am sorry if you see it for what it is, but at least that's what it looks like, but I could be wrong: " http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/013068.html

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You think it's wise to listen to the people? First, there's many many MANY Knowflakes here, not just the few who are riding the AG train. Second, this is not a democracy. I'm fair to everyone, but strong-arm tactics tend to make me resist. Once again, if anyone is unhappy with my way of running Linda's site or with my fairness in general, they can always find greener pastures. Heck, AG will make all of you a Moderator, I'm sure.
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What riot? A few out of a whole city is not a riot. And AJ is still here. If you will pay attention, her name is still on the Mod list for this Forum. I'm not certain where she went, but I'm waiting to hear from her. It has nothing to do with AG. It has to do with me supporting my Mods. If anyone can't look past this and move forward to creating a Forum Linda would be proud of, then I will gladly give them a refund. Oh, wait...no one has paid anything! I spend a small fortune keeping this site up and running and number one on the search engines so that Linda's fans can find us, and I am fair to everyone, including people who make a mistake...even AG.
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I'm sure it was more than just a couple, but the Knowflakes trust my decisions. I am always looking out for what is best for Linda's site. AG is hoping for an upheaval, but he will not get it today. He will have to steal his Members the old-fashioned way...by hard work and search engine optimization.
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What AG train, you ask? Open your eyes. He's playing all of you like a fiddle. But once again, I've asked lalalinda to not be so quick with the delete button. It's in the past. It won't happen again. Let it go.
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I'm certainly no AG fan. But this is about supporting my Mods. They are my family, and I don't disown my family over a mistake or error in judgment.
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The darkest evening of the year....
The only other sound's the sweep
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But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep. ~Robert Frost

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Silverstone,
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What is hypocritical in there? If you understood my relationship with Jwhop you'd understand that it's not a relationship of mincing words. We both speak our minds with frankness and honesty. If you don't like that, it's ok.

As far as the thread you linked to and Randall's words, that thread was initiated in response to something Lalalinda did wrong, and, as you see, there were some who were both offended by Lalalinda as well as Randall. The only things I can tell you beyond that are obvious, so I'll let you imagine my response in order to avoid writing what's obvious.

You say: Silverstone,
I don't even know what you mean by this:

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It would be more messed up to be hypocritical about it.

I'm sorry you see it that way Silverstone. I see it the same way I'd see a family member who has ideas I don't particularly agree with. I can still say Happy Birthday, and mean it despite not agreeing with his politics or personality.

Passive Aggressive: that is what it is called when people act like you...

*FEELING VICTIMIZED - The p/a man protests that others unfairly accuse him rather than owning up to his own misdeeds. To remain above reporach, he sets himself up as the apparently hapless, innocent victim of your excessive demands and tirades.

PASSIVE-AGGRESSIVE PERSONALITY DISORDER

People with PAPD are characterized by covert obstructionism, procrastination, stubbornness, and inefficiency. Such behavior is a manifestation of passively expressed underlying aggression. In the DSM-IV the disorder is also called negativistic PD.

Someone who is passive-aggressive will typically not confront others directly about problems, but instead will attempt to undermine their confidence or their success through comments and actions which, if challenged, can be explained away innocently so as not to place blame on the passive-aggressive person.

Often passive-aggressive behavior manifests itself in individuals who view themselves as "peaceful." These individuals feel that expressing their anger through passive-aggressive behavior is morally favorable to direct confrontation.

posted September 04, 2007 01:09 PM              

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That's not very nice, "I still like you despite yourself" Might as well not even say Happy Birthday to Jwhop... that's a f***cked up thing to say!

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What is so wrong about that statement? Just because Acoustic is not a fanboy does that mean he can't wish someone and state an opinion for himself?

oooohhhhhhh.... sorry, I forgot we were in Global Unity board!

posted September 04, 2007 02:45 PM            

Didn't realize the Birthday thread lalalinda started for me would turn into "family feud".

I noticed what acoustic had to say, considered the source and let it go. It was my birthday and I decided to give acoustic a present...and let it go. It did seem over the top to me too.

I've noticed acoustic's passive/aggressive tendencies too...and commented on them in the past. Glad to see others are up on the psychology of victimhood.

posted September 04, 2007 03:14 PM            

......this martini is on me jwhop! Cheers.

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posted September 04, 2007 03:27 PM            

Formerly listed among the personality disorders in the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the passive-aggressive personality type has been described by a number of psychologists and psychiatrists, including Karen Horney, Karl Menninger, and Wilhelm Reich (1897-1957). Its main distinguishing feature is indirect resistance to the demands or expectations of others through stubbornness, forgetfulness, inefficiency, procrastination, and other covert means. Rather than refusing outright to perform a task, the passive-aggressive person will do it badly or procrastinate until the deadline for its completion has passed. Passive-aggressive people, at one time called "ill-tempered depressives," are also generally moody, discontented, and critical of others, and they tend to see themselves as victims, feeling that they are singled out for bad luck and ill treatment by others. In their inter-personal relationships, they are unable to find a healthy balance between dependence and assertiveness.

Passive aggression also refers more generally to a type of behavior not limited to a certain personality type and characterized by the covert expression of aggressive feelings one is unable or unwilling to express directly. Passive aggression may be expressed in a variety of ways, including tardiness for an event or job about which one has negative feelings or poor performance of a task one resents.

Further Reading
Cicchetti, Dante, and Donald J. Cohen (eds.) Developmental Psychopathology. New York: J. Wiley, 1995.

Eysenck, Michael W. Individual Differences: Normal and Abnormal. Hillsdale, NJ: L. Erlbaum Associates, 1994.

posted September 04, 2007 04:02 PM            

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The first point to make is that passive-aggressiveness deals with getting out of doing tasks of some sort. I have no tasks here making passive-aggressiveness a complete misnomer as I previously stated.

The second point to make here is that I don't work in an indirect way. When is there ever a question as to where I stand? Do I not make myself 100% clear?

The third point is the misconception that I would view myself as a victim. Who victimizes me? No one here. That's for certain. You all act as if I victimize you (hence Lalalinda's insistence on an apology for an imagined slight). How you see it in reverse is bizarre and illogical.

Covert expression of aggressive feelings? When is it not perfectly clear that I'm being aggressive? I communi-cate effectively. There's never a question of where I'm coming from. Occasionally people like to tribute me with exagerated motivations (which wouldn't be aligned with this notion of passive aggression), but I always try to clarify when that's the case.

posted September 06, 2007 12:47 PM            

I notice you chose to highlight the most benign aspect of PA personalities.

This is what most people think of when discussing passive/aggressives.

"Passive aggression also refers more generally to a type of behavior not limited to a certain personality type and characterized by the covert expression of aggressive feelings one is unable or unwilling to express directly."

Interestingly too, those afflicted with this personality disorder were formerly referred to as...
"ill-tempered depressives".

Richard Dawson, eat your heart out!

lalalinda

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Once again, what is covert about my communication? Anyone? You guys can't even think of an example.