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OMG Jay
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posted September 25, 2007 01:24 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Groups representing most facets of the nation's health care system are lining up in support of a large spending increase for a popular children's insurance program, even as President Bush renewed his veto vow Tuesday.
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President Bush has threatens to veto the expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program.

The major lobbying groups for insurers, doctors and hospitals said they stand behind a proposal to more than double spending on the State Children's Health Insurance Program. To pay for the increased spending, supporters seek a 61 cent increase in the federal excise tax on cigarettes. Comparable tax increases would also be applied to other tobacco products.

The legislation, which still wasn't available to the public late Monday evening, was to come up for a vote in the House on Tuesday. It was expected to pass easily.

However, Bush repeatedly has promised to veto the bill. A White House statement issued shortly before the House debate was to open said the bill "goes too far toward federalizing health care" and offers help to families that do not need it.

The most critical test will be whether at least two-thirds of the House members support the bill -- the number needed to override a veto. Most analysts believe the bill is not likely to get that many votes.
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The health insurance program, known as SCHIP, provides coverage to about 6 million children and 600,000 adults. Supporters said the bill under consideration Tuesday in the House and Wednesday in the Senate would raise that enrollment number to about 10 million children.

Richard Umbdenstock, president and CEO of the American Hospital Association, said Monday that children without health insurance were 21/2 times more likely to go without care for an illness than were children with insurance. Also, uninsured children were four times as likely as insured children to seek treatment in an emergency room.

He said the legislation being considered this week would help ensure that minor illnesses didn't become major illnesses for many children.

Bush supports a smaller spending increase for SCHIP: $5 billion over five years. The bill before Congress calls for a $35 billion increase.

Bush said he opposes the bill because it would turn SCHIP into a program that covers wealthier families who already have private health insurance.

"Instead of expanding SCHIP beyond its original scope, we should return it to its original focus, and that is helping poor children, those who are most in need," Bush said last week.

Sens. Max Baucus, D-Montana, and Charles Grassley, R-Iowa, took issue with Bush's description of their legislation. They said the vast majority of children participating in SCHIP would still live in families whose incomes are below twice the federal poverty level -- $34,340 for a family of three.

"This program is a low-income kids program. There's just no doubt," Baucus said.

Grassley said that about half of the spending increase being proposed is needed just to cover the program's existing population.

Grassley emphasized that the legislation would not change the law about who is allowed into the program. If eligibility limits were increased to the levels described by the president -- $83,000 for a family of four -- it would have to be done with the administration's approval. Such approval is unlikely to occur, given that the administration just rejected such a request from the state of New York, he said.

Republicans will argue that tobacco taxes fall hardest on the working poor, the very people SCHIP was designed to help. About a third of adults who live in poverty are smokers.

"Under this scheme, the poorest Americans will be burdened with even higher federal taxes so that wealthier families and businesses can shift the cost of their health care coverage to the American taxpayers," said Reps. Joe Barton, R-Texas and Nathan Deal, R-Georgia, in a letter to colleagues.

Republicans will also argue that the legislation relies on "gimmicks" to appear more affordable. Specifically, the bill authorizes $14.25 billion during the first 6 months of 2012; then slashes the amount to $1.75 billion for the second 6 months of that year. It then assumes the lower spending level for the program's duration.

As a result, Congress will have to find more revenue to maintain coverage for all enrollees after 2012, or states will have to slash enrollment. E-mail to a friend E-mail to a friend

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This ******* doesn't care about anyone but himself. How dare he spend gazillions on war and veto this like it's nothing? What's the reason for the veto? Children are not important enough? I hope America opens its eyes to the real issues facing America. Out of the small towns people....there is another world that you are not aware of. You just think u are.


Hurt Boy at Center of Political Firestorm

By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN,
The New York Times
Posted: 2007-10-10 12:06:37
WASHINGTON (Oct. 9) - There have been moments when the fight between Congressional Democrats and President Bush over the State Children’s Health Insurance Program seemed to devolve into a shouting match about who loves children more.

So when Democrats enlisted 12-year-old Graeme Frost, who along with a younger sister relied on the program for treatment of severe brain injuries suffered in a car crash, to give the response to Mr. Bush’s weekly radio address on Sept. 29, Republican opponents quickly accused them of exploiting the boy to score political points.

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Doug Mills, The New York Times

Graeme Frost, 12, gave the Democratic response to President Bush's radio address on the children's health care plan known as S-chip on Sept. 29. Critics said the boy was exploited, and have attacked Frost and his family.
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Then, they wasted little time in going after him to score their own.

In recent days, Graeme and his family have been attacked by conservative bloggers and other critics of the Democrats’ plan to expand the insurance program, known as S-chip. They scrutinized the family’s income and assets — even alleged the counters in their kitchen to be granite — and declared that the Frosts did not seem needy enough for government benefits.

But what on the surface appears to be yet another partisan feud, all the nastier because a child is at the center of it, actually cuts to the most substantive debate around S-chip. Democrats say it is crucially needed to help the working poor — Medicaid already helps the impoverished — but many Republicans say it now helps too many people with the means to help themselves.

The feud also illustrates what can happen when politicians showcase real people to make a point, a popular but often perilous technique. And in this case, the discourse has been anything but polite.

The critics accused Graeme’s father, Halsey, a self-employed woodworker, of choosing not to provide insurance for his family of six, even though he owned his own business. They pointed out that Graeme attends an expensive private school. And they asserted that the family’s home had undergone extensive remodeling, and that its market value could exceed $400,000.

One critic, in an e-mail message to Graeme’s mother, Bonnie, warned: “Lie down with dogs, and expect to get fleas.” As it turns out, the Frosts say, Graeme attends the private school on scholarship. The business that the critics said Mr. Frost owned was dissolved in 1999. The family’s home, in the modest Butchers Hill neighborhood of Baltimore, was bought for $55,000 in 1990 and is now worth about $260,000, according to public records. And, for the record, the Frosts say, their kitchen counters are concrete.

Certainly the Frosts are not destitute. They also own a commercial property, valued at about $160,000, that provides rental income. Mr. Frost works intermittently in woodworking and as a welder, while Mrs. Frost has a part-time job at a firm that provides services to publishers of medical journals. Her job does not provide health coverage.

Under the Maryland child health program, a family of six must earn less than $55,220 a year for children to qualify. The program does not require applicants to list their assets, which do not affect eligibility.

In a telephone interview, the Frosts said they had recently been rejected by three private insurance companies because of pre-existing medical conditions. “We stood up in the first place because S-chip really helped our family and we wanted to help other families,” Mrs. Frost said.

“We work hard, we’re honest, we pay our taxes,” Mr. Frost said, adding, “There are hard-working families that really need affordable health insurance.”

Democrats, including the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi, have risen to the Frosts’ defense, saying they earn about $45,000 a year and are precisely the type of working-poor Americans that the program was intended to help.

Ms. Pelosi on Tuesday said, “I think it’s really a sad statement about how bankrupt some of these people are in their arguments against S-chip that they would attack a 12-year-old boy.”

The House and Senate approved legislation to expand the child health program by $35 billion over five years. President Bush, who proposed a lower increase, vetoed the bill last week. Mr. Bush said the Democrats’ plan was fiscally unsound and would raise taxes; the Democrats say he is willing to spend billions on the Iraq war but not on health care for American children.

Mr. Bush’s plan could force states to tighten eligibility limits, but it seemed likely that the Frost children would still be covered.

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Republicans on Capitol Hill, who were gearing up to use Graeme as evidence that Democrats have overexpanded the health program to include families wealthy enough to afford private insurance, have backed off.

An aide to Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the Republican leader, expressed relief that his office had not issued a press release criticizing the Frosts.

But Michelle Malkin, one of the bloggers who have strongly criticized the Frosts, insisted Republicans should hold their ground and not pull punches.

“The bottom line here is that this family has considerable assets,” Ms. Malkin wrote in an e-mail message. “Maryland’s S-chip program does not means-test. The refusal to do assets tests on federal health insurance programs is why federal entitlements are exploding and government keeps expanding. If Republicans don’t have the guts to hold the line, they deserve to lose their seats.”

As for accusations that bloggers were unfairly attacking a 12-year-old, Ms. Malkin wrote on her blog, “If you don’t want questions, don’t foist these children onto the public stage.”

Mr. and Mrs. Frost said they were bothered by the assertion that they lacked health coverage by their own choice.

“That is not true at all,” Mrs. Frost said. “Basically all these naysayers need to lay the facts out on the page, and say, ‘How could a family be able to do this?’ S-chip is a stopgap.”

Copyright © 2007 The New York Times Company
2007-10-10 09:33:00
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jwhop
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posted September 25, 2007 02:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I suppose most leftists would think children aged 25 should be covered by "children's insurance"...along with children of illegal aliens.

There may even be some validity in thinking leftists are still children...at age 25....35...45...55...

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OMG Jay
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What the hell do leftists have to do with children?

You're a moron.

You concentrate so much on the Republican/Democrat crap so much you could care less about children's health needs.

You're pathetic. You can't even argue with facts.

You're defense is always leftists and liberals this and that.


Get a life dude.

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posted September 26, 2007 03:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Considering it's leftists...those with intellectual deficiencies...who are behind the push to insure children..up to age 25 and considering the bill provides insurance to "children"..up to age 25 of families making up to $80,000 per year, my argument against leftist non thinking is valid.

It's leftist thinking..or rather leftist non thinking ability which is pathetic.

It's parents who are responsible for their children they CHOOSE to bring into the world. The rest of us are in no way responsible for housing, feeding, providing health insurance...as opposed to healthcare, transportation or any other benefit from the public treasury not authorized for the federal government to provide.

The federal government was not organized to take the possessions of citizens...to give to other citizens. You would know that...if you ever bothered to read the US Constitution.

If a responsibility exists for providing basic social services is found at all, it would be the responsibility of state governments where those who are to receive the service reside.

Generally, when I see someone attempting to make an argument for the dispensing of charity from the federal government, it's those who believe they will be on the receiving end...and not the actual productive citizens who work and whose tax money is to be stolen and given to someone else.

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posted September 26, 2007 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I work and pay my taxs. I had children, supported them and provided health care. That IS the responsibility of parents ,yes?

Perhaps folks pondering having children might take into consideration how THEY are going to support and insure them before having them?

Under certain circumstances, I know help is needed and should be provided. It appears it will continue:

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Instead of expanding SCHIP beyond its original scope, we should return it to its original focus, and that is helping poor children, those who are most in need," Bush said last week.

Helping the poor children, not giving a hand out to those who believe it is the tax payers obligation to provide for them.

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posted September 26, 2007 05:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leftists, rightists.....blah, blah, blah, blah.

Both are 'bullshiiit' if you ask me!

How about the middle road?

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posted September 27, 2007 12:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I work and pay my taxs. I had children, supported them and provided health care. That IS the responsibility of parents ,yes?..juniperb

Absolutely, unquestionably YES!

Why is it that leftists want to hide behind the mask of liberalism? It's clear there are some here whose statements brand them as leftists.

These leftists whine and moan about left/right arguments....as though they are neither. But, the only thing which ever comes off their keyboards is leftist drivel.

If you're a leftist, be proud of your far left radical views which come straight from the ass of Karl Marx. Liberals, YOU are not.

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posted September 28, 2007 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very well said, juni. Couldn't agree more.

*edited to add*
Related thread:
Bush Threatens Veto of Child Health Bill

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posted September 28, 2007 08:52 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
For me to get full insurance I'd have to pay at least 600. I haven't had insurance since I was 19.

I told my mom if I ever get sick......she better take me to Cuba. At least I won't have to pay there.

I won't go to Canada...to many Americans already flocking over there for free treatment.

Screw the government!

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posted September 29, 2007 02:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps we should all take up a collection and send Jay to Cuba...before he gets ill.

Perhaps Castro can get some work...return on his investment...from Jay...prior to the onset of his illness..or disease.

Strange how some people think things are free. For some reason, these people think things and money to pay for things just magically appear out of thin air.

Even stranger is that those who expect free this, free that, free everything...are NOT the productive citizens who they expect to work and pay for all their "free things".

Productive people understand There is no free lunch...or anything else.

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posted September 29, 2007 02:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
jwhop, not sure I`d send Jay/Tranquil Poet to Cuba....

Castro has his hands full as it is


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posted October 01, 2007 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TP is back in another incarnation Juni?

Well, I did offer once to use my influence to get her into a US military uniform...sort of an attitude adjustment.

Castro may be having trouble now but it would be indescribably delicious to see/hear TP tell Castro to F-off....not to mention Castro's reaction.

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jwhop, not sure I`d send Jay/Tranquil Poet to Cuba....

Castro has his hands full as it is



Ummmm and who the hell said I needed permission from you both?

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posted October 02, 2007 02:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Well jwhop, perhaps that quiet time with Castro would give Jay/Tranquil Poet some reflections on the Constitution and what freedom of speech really means

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posted October 02, 2007 03:22 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Who the hell said I was gonna spend time with Castro you idiot??

Free medical...duh MF.

And why don't you type directly to me..not Jwhop.

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posted October 02, 2007 03:31 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So Jun, what are you views? I just see you follow Jwhop around.

Are you to dumb to give your own views? Or maybe you're after Jwhop's old wrinkled pinga ling?

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posted October 02, 2007 07:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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So Jun, what are you views? I just see you follow Jwhop around.
Are you to dumb to give your own views? Or maybe you're after Jwhop's old wrinkled pinga ling?

OMG Jay, you do realize that using an obscene slang word in another language still counts as using an obscene word, right? Very bad form, not to mention the suggestion itself is insulting.

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Where is Randall??


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posted October 02, 2007 10:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Guys stop asking to have her kicked out...she just comes back under a different screename...w/e she wants to be an obnoxious b**** let her be one...ignore...

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posted October 03, 2007 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
At least this incarnation of her has reached an untimely demise.

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posted October 03, 2007 11:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sometimes I think I need an alias list to know who I'm talking to.

Strange that people want to talk about civil liberties/civil rights and Constitutional Rights...and they've never bothered to actually read the US Constitution.

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