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Mannu
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posted October 27, 2007 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Over the years, I think she has improved a lot and must be given a chance. Plus I would love to see Bill Clinton back in some way.

All things being equal she appears to be the wisest choice amongst all candidates.

I want to see a Woman president in my lifetime and we will never be so close again.

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juniperb
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posted October 27, 2007 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mannu, my memory isn`t that short


I too would love to see a woman in the presidency but Hillary Clinton isn`t the woman I envision.

I prefer one not trapped by her own deceit.

Do you remember Whitewater??


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posted October 27, 2007 01:36 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The death toll is just too high, to even consider her a viable option...

Yes, she smart and she's witty, But- she is VERY deceitful, Dishonest, and Disconnected from reality.


A woman, yes -But not at this cost...

Added: Please click here to count the bodies...
(these are just personal associates and friends)

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jwhop
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posted October 27, 2007 01:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yep, remember White Water for sure.

Also:
Castle-Grande-Gate
Cattle-Gate
Travel-Gate
File-Gate
Helath-Care-Gate
Records-Gate
Bimbo-Eruptions-Gate
Suicide-Gate

It's hard to believe anyone in their right mind would want this corrupt duo...Hill and Bill anywhere near the White House ever again.

Perhaps some memories are just better or longer or better AND longer than others.

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BlueRoamer
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posted October 27, 2007 05:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
lol suicide gate? care to elaborate on that one?

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TINK
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posted October 27, 2007 08:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
vince foster

mannu - i'd like to see a woman in there too - but not this one. not by a long shot.

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Azalaksh
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posted October 27, 2007 09:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ditto to what Tink said -- YES to a woman, but not Hilary.
PS: I am not a Republican

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Mannu
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posted October 27, 2007 10:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Juni,

Yeah I did hear of the whitewater scandal couple of years ago. I don't think the Clintons were active partners in that deal. They were passive investors. Big difference. Theres lot of BS on the internet. I trust the wiki a lot.

Here goes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitewater_(controversy)


I don't think theres anything wrong with making money. People hover like bees around influential people. Its hard to trust people. I think thats what happened to this couple.

I still think she is much much better than Guliani or Obama. And she has seen both money and power. I think she will be a very different president.

I remember having a interesting conversation with a cab driver in upstate NY. His son was in Afhanistan. And believe me he knows politics. He too stood for Hillary Clinton than Obama even though he was black.

Cheers!!!!

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posted October 27, 2007 11:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mannu, I invite you to research a bit and join us in this post:
Opinions on Ron Paul
There are more options...

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Dervish
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posted October 28, 2007 03:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hey Mannu,

WHY do you consider Hillary the wisest choice?

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posted October 28, 2007 08:20 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Appeal to all Americans - please vote for Hillary Clinton

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Mannu
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posted October 28, 2007 09:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dervish,

Because:

1. I think she understands peoples needs a lot better than the other males.

2. She promised to bring americans back home from iraq

3. I think she and Bill have learnt from their lessons from the failures on the healt care plans in the past and she is indeed very analytical in my mind to figure out what works best for the Americans.

Canada/UK/France...etc...look at them. Their healtcare is much better than the Americans.

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Mannu
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posted October 28, 2007 09:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
But again, its an appeal.
The right to vote is all yours

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BlueRoamer
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posted October 28, 2007 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I dont' care what anyone says about her, being crazy, a battleaxe, underhanded, etc etc......

Compare Hillary to our president now......I can't believe people would be "afraid" of having Hillary as president, Bush is scarier than anything imaginable.

Just look at......healthcare, education, the economy, disaster relief, environmental policy, our foreign image, the quagmire war, whoever is president next is gonna have to dig us out of what this moron has done to us. At least shes not a fascist right wing IDIOT. We've become a joke on the world stage.

I guess a lot of people would rather have a brainless child as a president than a powerful, intelligent woman. Americans are afraid of intelligence I suppose.

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Eleanore
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posted October 28, 2007 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Eleanore     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I worry that people will simply jump on the vote-for-a-woman bandwagon. PC gone insane and all. Like people voting for Obama just because he's black. Voting for or against someone simply because of their race and/or gender is unethical, no matter how strong the temptation to see such wonderful changes happen in our lifetime.

I don't understand how Hillary could be reasonably seen as the best possible candidate for the upcoming election.

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posted October 28, 2007 03:02 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Cathy O'Brien mentions Hilary in this interview.
http://consciousmedianetwork.com/members/cobrien.htm

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Perhaps......we (all souls)........who come, to incarnate upon this Earth.......
are all sacrificial lambs, in a sense

Choosing to suffer, not because of karma, but for some higher purpose of learning, evolving, and becoming true Gods with true wisdom.........

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juniperb
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posted October 28, 2007 04:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Indeed Mannu the right is ours and I do plan on exercising my right!

BlueRoamer, I am not afraid but see better choices to be made for the very examples you mentioned.

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Dervish
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posted October 29, 2007 12:56 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I think she understands peoples needs a lot better than the other males

Would you say Ann Coulter understands peoples needs better as well?

What if Condi Rice runs and Hillary doesn't? How tempted would you be to vote for Rice?

And are you aware of the victims of Bill Clinton that claim Hillary threatened them into silence? In fact, here's an open letter from one of Bill's victims to Hillary:
http://www.apfn.org/apfn/Juanita.htm

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2. She promised to bring americans back home from iraq

1. Are you aware of how often Hillary has flip flopped?

Hillary has also repeatedly refused to share her stands on various issues at Project Vote Smart, though they are currently giving her another chance to submit her positions. The only reason I see for a politician refusing to do that is so that s/he can speak from 2 sides of his/her mouth without getting caught at it by a neutral site.

2. Are you aware that Hillary has a long history as a hawk, and voted approval for the war in Iraq?

Besides that, Hillary also voted for the USAPATRIOT Act, and its reauthorization, and joins with Republicans in going after things like video games. She doesn't sound like the type to reverse all the things Bush has done (as many believe).


ETA: Even plenty of voting Democrats have said they're uncomfortable with her as they see her as militant, power crazed, and even dangerous. Like this Obama supporter trashes Hillary (with proof--and left things out, too) as a corrupt, two-faced war hawk, who is more like Bush than different from him in policy, too:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK4S4fY8gFA

Another decides that Hillary is willing to nuke Iran (and she very well might, though she didn't outright say as much--granted, what she says isn't really to be trusted anyway, just window dressing):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ulGiPp0LQ


Given this, why do you take her at her word?

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I think she and Bill have learnt from their lessons from the failures on the healt care plans in the past and she is indeed very analytical in my mind to figure out what works best for the Americans.

How do you figure this?

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Canada/UK/France...etc...look at them. Their healtcare is much better than the Americans.

Better in some ways, worse than others. Right now, for example, some in the UK are having to be their own dentist thanks to socialized medicine:

Shortage turns Britons into Do-It-Yourself dentists

quote:
LONDON (Reuters) - Some Britons have been using pliers to pull their own teeth out and superglue to keep the fillings in because of poor access to state dental care.
(Advertisement)

A survey of 5,200 patients showed that some six percent of patients have begun doing a spot of home dentistry, a quarter had chosen to pay a private dentist and that 10 percent of patients had no dentist at all because they could not find one on the National Health Service (NHS).

"Fourteen teeth have had to be removed by myself with pliers," said one respondent to the survey.

Another temporarily fixed a broken crown with superglue


Some Russian expats told me horror stories of their government provided health care, and of going to black market doctors instead. AIDS became a horrible social burden in some countries due to shortages of needles (so infected needles were used on patients, infecting them, too, who went on to infect others, etc) and the like, as the government simply isn't capable of running these affairs with any efficiency (granted, I'm not keen on CEOs running these affairs either, as is happening more and more in the USA).

Likewise, Thailand doesn't have socialized medicine, and yet it does so good that even some Americans that can afford the trip will go there because it's cheaper and often as good, or even better (some say), than here in the USA. Granted, they have a very strong culture of Buddhist charity that perhaps makes that more workable for them than in most other parts of the world, but still.

As for the other countries, just because it works there--and again, it's not certain that it's as good as you think--doesn't mean it would work here. There are a great many differences (from social to population) between the US and Canada, for example. I don't think Canada's system could work here. Though what little I've heard of France sounds like it might be workable for here (however, a liberal and Moore fan was recently in France and she said Michael Moore lied about the health care in France in his documentary Sicko).

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Mannu
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posted October 29, 2007 10:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are you Sunni by any way?
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>>>Would you say Ann Coulter understands peoples needs better as well?

No way. I don't need to mix religion and state affairs. No way she is near Hillary.

>>What if Condi Rice runs and Hillary doesn't? How tempted would you be to vote for Rice?
Well she is a brilliant political scientist. And yes I would consider her. I have to research her a bit though.

>>>1. Are you aware of how often Hillary has flip flopped? Given this, why do you take her at her word?
Absolutely. She is maturing over the years though. She has the experience in her resume. I am optimistic.
Who doesn't have change of heart? I do so many times.

When George Bush decided to send troops out. Which American would dare resist for being labelled unpatriot.
The entire nation trusted bush and he is the president, he is supposed to have all the data before he goes for war.
Remember Hillary referred to him as My President. How cute.
Turned outour Bush followed incredible evidences in his support of war.


And I haven't watched any of the videos you posted yet.

>>>>Another decides that Hillary is willing to nuke Iran
Rumors...


Oh the problem with London is they do not allow educated immigrants to come to UK and practice.
Let their citizens tackle this issue seperately. USA has better immigration policies.

I am not saying USA must do what UK/france/canada does.
But a basic medical insurance is absolutely required. And it will be a nice change for the Americans.
Lets give it a shot.


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jwhop
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posted October 29, 2007 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, I remember Suicide Gate.

Vince Foster...so the story goes committed suicide in Fort Marcy Park in D.C. First person on the scene found Foster but no gun. Later, the gun was found right by or on Foster. Foster's car was in the parking lot...but no car keys were ever found for Foster's car. Just what any suicide would do..cause a mystery and hide the car keys.

Foster's desk, home and briefcase were searched for a suicide note. None found.

Days later, another search was made of Foster's briefcase. Suicide note found A very, very flattering suicide note which told everyone how great the Clinton's really are.

How big was Foster's briefcase anyway? Please be brief . I would think it would be impossible to miss a suicide note...or anything else in a briefcase.

Conclusion:

Foster thought so much of the Clintons he came back from being dead to write them a nice farewell note.

Remember when Kommander Korruption was giving all the reasons for reelecting him? The 2 for the price of 1 spiel...if you reelect me you get Hillary too...Mrs Co-President.

Away with the Clintons. The most corrupt pair to ever get into the White House.

Mannu, the Clintons received a full 50% partnership in the White Water Development Corp....for no money invested whatsoever.

Jim McDougal
Susan McDougal
Bill Clinton
Hillary Clinton

Equal partners. They were in no way "passive partners".

Part of the White Water investigation by the Special Counsel was a subpeona of Hillary Clinton's Rose Law Firm billing records...which she hid for more than 18 months and never turned over. Obstruction of Justice.

Those billing records were the details of what work Hillary did on White Water and Castle Grande...contracts etc.

The scheme was always to bankrupt the McDougals savings and loan and leave the taxpayers of America holding the bag...FSLIC..Federal Savings and Loan Insurance Corp..with Bill, Hill, Jim and Sue taking all the money from the sale of all the White Water and Castle Grande properties. The savings and loan owned by the McDougals made all the loans and transferred all the cash at closing to the corrupt quad.

She would indeed be a much different president.

Comrade Hillary

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TINK
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posted October 29, 2007 06:19 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Vince Foster didn't commit suicide. Exactly what happened I do not know. But suicide? Nope.

Now, jwhop, why you can see this and not the oddities surrounding 9/11, George Bush's military record, Margie Schoedinger and Terry Yeakey, etc etc is just beyond me.

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jwhop
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posted October 30, 2007 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
TINK, you lil ole agent provocateur you.

We all know Bush enlisted in the Texas Air National Guard. We all know the guy who claims to have gotten Bush in...using his influence as a Texas official...was not a Texas official until well after Bush enlisted...so, this democrat lied about getting Bush in. The TANG was very pleased to have a "Yale graduate" apply and they accepted Bush straight up.

We all know Bush was granted a transfer to the Alabama Air National Guard...to report there and then...between Guard meetings..to work on a political campaign in Alabama.

We all know Bush put in for an early discharge from the Texas Air National Guard...to enroll in the Harvard School of Business...where he earned a Masters.

We all know that by the time Bush applied for the early discharge the war was winding down and qualified "combat pilots" were returning back to the US...and applying for reserve status in Air Guard units...including the Texas Air National Guard.

We all know Bush was rated...qualified to fly the F-106 Delta Dart; an obsolete aircraft..even at that time..which was not assigned to Vietnam...nor used there.

We all know aircraft were being returned from Vietnam...current..at the time..front line combat aircraft like the F-4 and F-105 and those aircraft were being assigned to Air Guard units in the US. Bush was not rated...qualified or checked out on those combat aircraft.

We all know where this leads and what one must conclude. Bush was not qualified to fly the returned combat aircraft..F-4s and F-105s. Returning combat pilots were qualified and had flown those aircraft in combat over Vietnam.

Anyone would have to conclude there was no reason to refuse the Bush application for early discharge since there were more pilots qualified and returned..most of whom had combat flying experience in Vietnam...than there were aircraft for them to fly in Air Guard units...including the Texas Air National Guard.

Most people also know Bush had already fulfilled ALL his agreed commitment as to hours of service in the Air Guard. In fact, Bush had more hours of service than required and lacked only the TIME requirement which was waived and amounted to about 3 months...as I recall.

Sorry TINK, I don't recognize either of the two people you listed...never heard their names before.

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posted October 30, 2007 07:04 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Here you are jwhop..
Person #1 -Margie Schoedinger
Person #2 - Terry Yeakey
*This page includes the official death certificate and the medical examiners report.
Now you too, can be in the know, LOL!

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TINK
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posted October 30, 2007 10:37 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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TINK, you lil ole agent provocateur you.

Flattery will get you only so far.

And you know very well who they are, mister. We've discussed them here before.

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jwhop
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posted November 01, 2007 01:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, yes. I remember now....not the names but the allegations...which were utter lunacy.

Maybe someone will do a video clip, put it on youtube or myspace and the allegations will become literally...true.

Yes, I realize flattery will only take one so far.

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