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Mannu
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posted May 01, 2008 10:30 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The winner no longer seems to take it all.
The cosmos seems to reward the runner up or people who don't come first.

In TV singing competition shows,
Politics, every where.

Gore is worth 100 million dollar Bush is handful of millions.

hehehe...

Or perhaps it was always this way - It took me courage to accept it finally LOL

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Azalaksh
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posted May 02, 2008 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Are money and fame really "rewards"??

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posted May 02, 2008 10:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's true that Western Civilization is experiencing a crisis in its values.
In my own country, at least, I see certain qualities rewarded, and others devalued,
for reasons which do not strike me as fair and universal, to say the least.
I think we might do well to redefine our definitions of "success".
After all, it is a question of what we value and choose to reward,
before it is a question of any cosmic/karmic law or principle.

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posted May 02, 2008 08:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Strangely, I've never felt envious of people who have fame, instead I'm glad I'm not someone likely to have a bunch of stalkers zero in on or paparazzi reporting every faux pas I commit and scandal I get tangled up in.

People riding around in limos and such are also the targets of all kinds of thieves, on both sides of the law, and may even include kidnapping and extortion, or may include cops murdering such people to take what they have (as has happened). Plus, the things they have to do to get that limo or rolls royce...

I'm content with my own life. I wouldn't trade places with anyone rich and famous. And unlike the rich and famous, I have a pretty good idea who my friends and enemies (the few I have) really are.

And btw, I don't watch reality shows, American Idol, or things like that. Like movie critics, I just don't have enough common ground with them, so I don't really listen to what they have to say. I mean if they don't like some performer or movie, fine, but that doesn't mean I won't like it either (or that I'll like one that they do like).

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posted May 02, 2008 08:14 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted May 02, 2008 08:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted May 03, 2008 08:58 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Luke 6:26 Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.

Lao Tzu 42
Truly, one may gain by losing;
And one may lose by gaining.

A saying of Jesus; in the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus declares that in the world to come, “The last shall be first and the first last.”
The teaching implies that those who have prospered through wickedness will fail, whereas the good who have suffered for the sake of God will win salvation.

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Mannu
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posted May 04, 2008 09:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was expressing that -- too often what we want is not what God wants and what God wants is not what we want.

Even while losing some people gain and some people by winning lose it. And the loser who gains don't look at it that way and condemns the winner. He asks God to forgive himself for being out of alignment with Him. Gore's purpose was to be Green Messiah, the world would have lost this champion if he became the president. He does not belong to America, he belongs to the world. Some day the earth will remember 12th december. The day when the world won and America lost.

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Mannu
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posted May 04, 2008 09:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am so sorry, that as I much as I want to say so many things here , I absolutely don't find much time here.


There is no war today that can be "won" really. Any leader of any nation that tells you that they can win the war has just hoodwinked you LOL. If a war cannot be won, it should not be fought. America has paid a heavy price - its denizens are feeling the pain by paying 4 dollars for a gallon of milk and an equal amount at the gas station. They have become case studies of what not to do in todays times for rest of the world.

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posted May 05, 2008 12:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Haven't you noticed lately, the Cosmos rewards losers."

No. Never.

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Mannu
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posted May 05, 2008 09:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Perhaps you say that because you think losing is bad. Accepting defeat is surrendering to God. It has happened to the author of "Conversations with God" Neale Donald, to the author of "A new earth" - Echart Tolle, and so many others.

I am not saying rush to your defeat. Blossom spontaneously. Anyhow I don't want to give more mental definitions of what I have to say here. Some people over here picked the energy.

Ok will try to press mute on mental definitions of God for the most part here on. Don't complain that you ain't psychic to feel the energy. Develop that skills if you aint.

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posted May 05, 2008 04:43 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Anyhow I don't want to give more mental definitions of what I have to say here."

I appreciate that. Thank you, Mannu.

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juniperb
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posted May 05, 2008 06:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for juniperb     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mannu, are you familiar with Shaikh 'Abd Al-Qadir Al-Jilani`s discourses on Allotment?

juni

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What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~

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Mannu
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posted May 05, 2008 08:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Juni,

No I haven't. I am sure it must be talking of the unconsciousness and how to make it your slave. All paths when you go deeper and deeper lead you to the ultimate shore. So I do not jump to every path. I will reach nowhere if I did that. Hope you can agree with me on that. (unlike Meili, who acted like an elitist when I made that statement long time ago) I am following my own path and I have met many gurus on my path. Every meeting has encouraged me more and more.

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Mannu
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posted May 06, 2008 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
When fiends meet, they recognize one another instantly.' So a person who is a real cool Zen understands that, does not go around 'Oh, I understand Zen, I have satori, I have this attainment, I have that attainment, I have the other attainment,' because if he said that, he wouldn't understand the first thing about it.

So it is Zen that, if I may put it metaphorically, *Jon-Jo said 'the perfect man employs his mind as a mirror. It grasps nothing, it refuses nothing. It receives but does not keep.' And another poem says of wild geese flying over a lake, 'The wild geese do not intend to cast their reflection, and the water has no mind to retain their image.' In other words this is to be--to put it very strictly into our modern idiom--this is to live without hang-ups, the word 'hang- up' being an almost exact translation of the Japanese _bono_ and the Sanskrit _klesa_, ordinarily translated 'worldly attachment,' though that sounds a little bit--you know what I mean--it sounds pious, and in Zen, things that sound pious are said to stink of Zen, but to have no hang-ups, that is to say, to be able to drift like a cloud and flow like water, seeing that all life is a magnificent illusion, a plane of energy, and that there is absolutely nothing to be afraid of. Fundamentally. You will be afraid on the surface. You will be afraid of putting your hand in the fire. You will be afraid of getting sick, etc. But you will not be afraid of fear. Fear will pass over your mind like a black cloud will be reflected in the mirror. But of course, the mirror isn't quite the right illustration; space would be better. Like a black cloud flows through space without leaving any track. Like the stars don't leave trails behind them. And so that fundamental--it is called 'the void' in Buddhism; it doesn't mean 'void' in the sense that it's void in the ordinary sense of emptiness. It means void in that is the most real thing there is, but nobody can conceive it. It's rather the same situation that you get between the speaker, in a radio and all the various sounds which it produces. On the speaker you hear human voices, you hear every kind of musical instrument, honking of horns, the sounds of traffic, the explosions of guns, and yet all that tremendous variety of sounds are the vibrations of one diaphragm, but it never says so. The announcer doens't come on first thing in the morning and say 'Ladies and gentlemen, all the sounds that you will hear subsequentally during the day will be the vibration of this diaphragm; don't take them for real.' And the radio never mentions its own construction, you see? And in exactly the same way, you are never able, really, to examine, to make an object of your own mind, just as you can't look directly into your own eyes or bite your own teeth, because you ARE that, and if you try to find it, and make it something to possess, why that's a great lack of confidence. That shows that you don't really know your 'it'. And if you're 'it,' you don't need to make anything of it. There's nothing to look for. But the test is, are you still looking? Do you know that? I mean, not as kind of knowledge you possess, not something you've learned in school like you've got a degree, and 'you know, I've mastered the contents of these books and remembered it.' In this knowledge, there's nothing to be remembered; nothing to be formulated. You know it best when you say 'I don't know it.' Because that means, 'I'm not holding on to it, I'm not trying to cling to it' in the form of a concept, because there's absolutely no necessity to do so. That would be, in Zen language, putting legs on a snake or a beard on a eunuch, or as we would say, gilding the lily.


Now you say, 'Well, that sounds pretty easy. You mean to say all we have to do is relax? We don't have to go around chasing anything anymore? We abandon religion, we abandon meditations, we abandon this, that, and the other, and just live it up anyhow? Just go on.' You know, like a father says to his child who keeps asking 'Why? Why, Why, Why, Why, Why? Why did God make the universe? Who made God? Why are the trees green?' and so on and so forth, and father says finally, 'Oh, shut up and eat your bun.' It isn't quite like that, because, you see, the thing is this:

All those people who try to realize Zen by doing nothing about it are still trying desperately to find it, and they're on the wrong track. There is another Zen poem which says, 'You cannot attain it by thinking, you cannot grasp it by not thinking.' Or you could say, you cannot catch hold of the meaning of Zen by doing something about it, but equally, you cannot see into its meaning by doing nothing about it, because both are, in their different ways, attempts to move from where you are now, here, to somewhere else, and the point is that we come to an understanding of this, what I call suchness, only through being completely here. And no means are necessary to be completely here. Neither active means on the one hand, nor passive means on the other. Because in both ways, you are trying to move away from the immediate now. But you see, it's difficult to understand language like that. And to understand what all that is about, there is really one absolutely necessary prerequisite, and this is to stop thinking. Now, I am not saying this in the spirit of being an anti-intellectual, because I think a lot, talk a lot, write a lot of books, and am a sort of half-baked scholar. But you know, if you talk all the time, you will never hear what anybody else has to say, and therefore, all you'll have to talk about is your own conversation. The same is true for people who think all the time. That means, when I use the word 'think,' talking to yourself, subvocal conversation, the constant chit-chat of symbols and images and talk and words inside your skull. Now, if you do that all the time, you'll find that you've nothing to think about except thinking, and just as you have to stop talking to hear what I have to say, you have to stop thinking to find out what life is about. And the moment you stop thinking, you come into immediate contact with what Korzybski called, so delightfully, 'the unspeakable world,' that is to say, the nonverbal world. Some people would call it the physical world, but these words 'physical,' 'nonverbal,' are all conceptual, not a concept either, it's (bangs stick). So when you are awake to that world, you suddenly find that all the so-called differences between self and other, life and death, pleasure and pain, are all conceptual, and they're not there. They don't exist at all in that world which is (bangs stick). In other words, if I hit you hard enough, 'ouch' doesn't hurt, if you're in a state of what is called no-thought. There is a certain experience, you see, but you don't call it 'hurt.' It's like when you were small children, they banged you about, and you cried, and they said 'Don't cry' because they wanted to make you hurt and not cry at the same time. People are rather curious about the things the do like that. But you see, they really wanted you to cry, the same way if you threw up one day. It's very good to throw up if you've eaten soemthing that isn't good for you, but your mother said 'Eugh!' and made you repress it and feel that throwing up wasn't a good thing to do. Because then when you saw people die, and everybody around you started weeping and making a fuss, and then you learned from that that dying was terrible. When somebody got sick, everybody else got anxious, and you learned that getting sick was something awful. You learned it from a concept.

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- I am Mannu and I approve this message (LOL)

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Mannu
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posted May 21, 2008 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hehehe...This thread was craving for my attention and asking me "Why I said those things?"

I take back that statement ....

I was different then and I am different today

Todays American idol was awesome.
I loved the last song...
tasted the best moment of my life


No two moments are ever the same.
In reality each moment is bliss
I am in such a bliss.

As Heraclitus says so beautifully:
"No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man." bravo


Some philosophers like him have done great job in coming close to explaining something that cannot be explained except be experienced by self....

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posted May 22, 2008 06:36 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i appreciated that mannu

today and tomorrow

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Mannu
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posted May 22, 2008 09:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
What did I say?
Must be yesterday?

Oh thanks for the reminder Praecipua.

LOL

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Mannu
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posted May 22, 2008 05:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That rascal goes on to say you can't even step once in to the river

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