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Mannu
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posted May 15, 2008 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
In response to the protests against China Olympic Games, the following text is quoted from cbc forums,

When we were called "sick man of Asia", we were called peril.
When we billed to be the next superpower, we're called the threat
When we closed our doors, you smuggled drugs to open markets.
when we embrace free trade, you blame us for taking away your jobs.

when we're falling apart, you marched in your troops and wanted your fair share.
when we're putting the broken pieces together, "Free Tibet" you screamed! "it was invasion."

So we tried communism, you hated us for being communist.
So we embraced capitalism, you hate us for being capitalist,

Then we have a billion people, you said we're destroying the planet.
Then we limit our numbers, you said it was human rights abuses.

When we were poor, you think we're dogs,
When we loan you cash, you blamed us for your debts.

When we build our industries, you called us polluters.
When we sell you goods, you blamed us for global warming,
When we buy oil, you called that exploitation and genocide.

When we were lost in chaos and rampage, you wanted rules of laws for us.
When we uphold law and order against violence, you called that violation of human rights.

When we were silent, you said you want us to have free speech.
When we were silent no more, you say we were brainwashed.

Why do you hate us so much? We asked. "No". You answered, "we don't hate you".
We don't hate you either, buddie, do you understand us? "of course we do", you said, "We have CNN, BBC, and CBC".

But why, we still feel, your Western people are not happy with us.

What do you really want from us??

My friend, what do you really want from us??

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Mannu
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posted May 15, 2008 09:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
>>>Then we limit our numbers, you said it was human rights abuses


I think he/she is referring to "one child" limit policy.

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venusdeindia
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posted May 16, 2008 07:19 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
its about time

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Mannu
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posted May 16, 2008 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If we go by the text book dictionary of conservatism you cannot sacrifise an individuals freedom for the rest of the group.

If you do, thats socialism.

In America such child limit policy is unheard of. God knows how America will look like in the year 2100 when the population will reach 1 billion people.


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Mannu
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posted May 16, 2008 07:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hehe..only a socialist can throw his grandma under the bus. And all those democrat superdelegates watching and not doing anything about it are throwing America under the bus for their cunning purposes.

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posted May 16, 2008 07:48 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I believe even conservatives would support China's "one birth" policy here in the USA. At least if they know anything about it, given that at least today it means that you lose welfare benefits for every child you have after the first (restrictions are more lenient in some areas, and I think they finally made an exception for those who had girls given the mess they've gotten themselves into*). Here in the USA, we may not be communist, but we do have a strong welfare system. Applied here, there would be diminishing returns for each child a welfare mother had. Tell me conservatives wouldn't be favorably inclined to that.

'Course, I'd prefer it if the REAL welfare queens (corporations, politicians, millionaires, etc) were the prime targets of conservatives, but I guess that's hoping for too much. Oh, for those who inevitably ask what I'm talking about every single time I mention that, here's what I'm talking about summed up nice and sweet:
http://www.reason.com/news/show/29067.html

But I digress. Just pointing out that I think the "one child" policy might actually go over here in the USA. The difference being over here it only applies to those on welfare (if poor, as I'm sure rich ******** on welfare would be exempt), whereas in China everyone is on welfare anyway because that's how their society is set up.


(*As for that mess I mentioned, the one child policy has led to a China in crisis as the bulk of the population is male. Seemed most didn't trust the government to take care of them in their old age and/or were too stuck to tradition and made sure they had at least one son...which filled their quota. Luckily, North Korea and other places have been selling brides to women-starved China, thus saving them from a cataclysmic social problem. The Black Market is so useful that if it didn't exist, the governments of the world would have to create it! )

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Mannu
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posted May 16, 2008 08:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
>>>Tell me conservatives wouldn't be favorably inclined to that

I am not sure if china imposes "one-child" as a rule or policy. If its a rule, then may be its mandatory to not have more than one child. Communists country control people by fear. I am not saying China is one. I don't know much about that nation.

Also I am not a conservative, but I think that they cannot tolerate any mandate(such as one child only period or go to jail) from the government on their freedom.

If its a policy, then yeah since a democratic government manages the money of its people (group) so it may decide on its own right to create policies such as you mentioned happening in America for societies benefit. If society is not benefitting the government is not interested.

Hmmm.... it will be personal common sense then to have only one child (adopted or own) or none under a scenario of overpopulation and scarcity of resources, is n't it? Its one thing to have a right and another to execute it LOL.

I believe a socialist government , sacrifices individual freedom on the altar of socialsm.

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