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venusdeindia
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posted May 17, 2008 03:41 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i have said this in past threads. its disgusting how children are brainwashed into Militant Islam groups like the ones that conduct bobm strikes in our country killing civilians. and BTW Paksitan is the breeding ground of such religious schools where impoverished children from across MidEast are smuggled in violation of UN laws and brainwashed. too much to go into but just Google on it. it will blow ur mind.

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ListensToTrees
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posted May 17, 2008 11:07 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We need to find a long-lasting solution to these problems.

As in the human body, I believe the real way to treat an illness is to treat the cause, not just the symptoms.

So, we need to look into ways in which we can reach out to people. We need to get the bottom of how we can treat people who are brainwashed into believing these fanatical ideas, believing that by killing people they are doing God's work, and that those who die in this way will go to paradise.

These people aren't evil. What they do IS evil. The illusions they are living with are making this way- THIS is the evil.

They were all someone's helpless and innocent baby once. What went wrong? How did it ever come to this? What is making them this way? How can we cure it without causing more problems and more misunderstandings and more bloodshed, misery and suffering?


God help us all.

And God save us from religion.

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BlueRoamer
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posted May 17, 2008 01:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My opinion is that change must start with the mothers.

Mothers raise the child, can educate them.

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TINK
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posted May 17, 2008 02:07 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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God save us from religion.

This doesn't help. A better understanding and practice of Islam, for instance, would eliminate the problem. It's the misuse of religion by some and the ignorance of religion of others that's doing the harm.

My opinion is that change must start with the mothers.

I think you're on to something there, BR. If the world would give motherhood the respect it deserves, that would be a start. If woman could learn to acknowledge and nuture their own gifts rather than attempt to commandeer the attributes of men ... that might help too.

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ListensToTrees
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posted May 17, 2008 04:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can't blame the problem entirely on the mothers. They may have had very good mothers. The issue here is that these people have a warped view of the world. And maybe it isn't entirely warped ether; but maybe they've seen so much injustice and bloodshed, perhaps they witnessed family members being killed at a young age.......so maybe we need to understand more.....where people are coming from.

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pidaua
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posted May 18, 2008 06:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Bear was not trying to silence LTT. He was merely pointing out what the problem may be in others misreading the intent of her posts.

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posted May 18, 2008 12:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I was certainly not blaming the mothers, just stating that the solution might start with the mothers.

Unfortunately Islamic societies aren't too big on women, this represents a huge energy imbalance. Their world has a clear lack of nurturing, feminine, energy. At least as far as public affairs are concerned.

Then again I'm bordering on talking out my as$ now.

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pidaua
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posted May 18, 2008 01:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The short answer in stopping this problem... kill all terrorists to send a message that terrorism will not be tolerated..

The long answer, well long in that it takes time, we teach others that breeding killers, that making children carry bombs or using them to get past check points will bring those that do it to a quick end.

We teach that there is another way of life. Like the life we have here (which may not be perfect, but how many children in the US do we see strapped with bombs or that are used as decoys in a car bomb?)

We need to show that there is a better way. As much as people hate the US, we are not always quick to war. Many times we have sat back and let things happen to the detriment of many cultures. Too many times we listen to the naysayers and wait.... and wait..until we are attacked. Worst of all, sometimes we prop up those we think will be better in power and then the power goes to their heads and they start systematically killing their enemies.

We are not perfect... we do still have horror stories here in the US.. but we are still a very compassionate people and we have alot to teach.. and alot to learn .

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posted May 18, 2008 03:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We also have the resources to back it up, Pid.

The US needs to lead the world in human rights, wars should be balanced with peace keeping, education, and human suffering relief.

The US also should be setting the tone for the world on health care, science, EDUCATION, and the environment. Let's hope we can rev these lagging issues up in the next 4 years.

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pidaua
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posted May 18, 2008 04:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are absolutely right BR.. and in a perfect World... well maybe it will happen.. There is still hope!

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posted May 18, 2008 05:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We need to pump money into public education to train scientists and engineers of the future!

We cannot rely on private schools to only educate those who can afford them. Some of the greatest minds will be born into poverty, these minds must be nurtured by great teachers and great opportunities.

Ok I'm getting on a saggie education rant. But the state of US public schools is sad, and teachers are grossly underpaid.

I also thing young people in the US need to do mandatory community or military service for at least a year. Whether this be teaching, community work, public defense, public service, it should be mandatory.

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posted May 18, 2008 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
According to the documentary "No End In Sight":

3,000 U.S. soldiers dead

20,000 U.S. soldier wounded

An estimated 600,000 Iraqi civilian deaths


That's a lot of "human shields".

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posted May 18, 2008 06:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I guess war is the "default" solution to overpopulation.

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posted May 18, 2008 07:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Humanity: the latest addition in a long line of $hitty things farted out by the Earth.

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posted May 18, 2008 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Noam Chomsky: Why Don't We Ask What's Best For the Iraqis?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTP54s7Xdco&feature=related


Howard Zinn: On The Stupidity Of War
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFGCLu3YWwE

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posted May 18, 2008 09:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BornUnderDioscuri     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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That's a lot of "human shields".

I know right those stupid militants need to stop using their own fellow citizens as shields

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jwhop
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posted May 18, 2008 09:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
We did do what was best for Iraqi citizens. We freed them from a murderous dictatorship.

They voted for secular representative government there...in spite of terrorist threats to kill them.

Perhaps we should do the right thing for Noam Chomsky and send him into exile in North Korea...his kind of communist dictatorship.

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posted May 19, 2008 08:02 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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I also thing young people in the US need to do mandatory community or military service for at least a year. Whether this be teaching, community work, public defense, public service, it should be mandatory.

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posted May 19, 2008 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I know professional military personnel would just hate the idea but....

I favor a mandatory military draft, no exceptions except for real physical disability.

2 years of mandatory service with at least 6 months in a line combat unit in some military speciality...MOC, "Military Occupation Specialty.

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posted May 19, 2008 12:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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posted May 19, 2008 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes LTT, resistance is futile.

You will be pounded into the right...correct mindset and then absorbed into the maw of humanity.

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posted May 20, 2008 05:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Dissent is the highest form of patriotism.
In the United States today, the Declaration of Independence hangs on schoolroom walls, but foreign policy follows Machiavelli.

If those in charge of our society - politicians, corporate executives, and owners of press and television - can dominate our ideas, they will be secure in their power.
They will not need soldiers patrolling the streets. We will control ourselves.

Americans have been taught that their nation is civilized and humane.
But, too often, U.S. actions have been uncivilized and inhumane.

Most wars, after all, present themselves as humanitarian endeavors to help people.

When people don't understand that the government doesn't have their interests in mind, they're more susceptible to go to war.

There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people.

With the indiscriminate nature of modern military technology (no such thing as a "smart bomb," it turns out) all wars are wars against civilians, and are therefore inherently immoral.
This is true even when a war is considered "just," because it is fought against a tyrant, against an aggressor, to correct a stolen boundary.

It's not right to respond to terrorism by terrorizing other people. And furthermore, it's not going to help.
Then you might say, "Yes, it's terrorizing people, but it's worth doing because it will end terrorism."
But how much common sense does it take to know that you cannot end terrorism by indiscriminately dropping bombs?

War itself is the enemy of the human race.

Behind the deceptive words designed to entice people into supporting violence -- words like democracy, freedom, self-defense, national security --
there is the reality of enormous wealth in the hands of a few, while billions of people in the world are hungry, sick, homeless.
The rule of law does not do away with the unequal distribution of wealth and power, but reinforces that inequality with the authority of law.
It allocates wealth and poverty in such calculated and indirect ways as to leave the victim bewildered.


~ Howard Zinn

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posted May 20, 2008 05:39 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

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pidaua
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posted May 20, 2008 06:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for pidaua     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
non sequitor


Children used by terrorism does not fit with Dissention being patriotic. For goodness sakes, what a crock of bull from Fric and Frac.

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posted May 20, 2008 07:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Xodian     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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We need to find a long-lasting solution to these problems.

The solution is clear; Regional Stability under equal authoritarian representation, and it usually escapes the minds of those who jump to conclusions about religion being the vessel of evil as many 2 dimentional thinkers on this forum.

Say if we were to take Islam out of the question all togather in this senerio. I can sure bet you there still would have been a rise in insurgency within the region partly due to the events surrounding Abu Gurab (amoung other factors.) The region is destabilized and mistrust amoung people still runs rampant.

I don't know if this is true (Bear, your insight will truly be helpful) but it seems that the Iraqi forces still aren't functioning properly as a unit as there are still quite a lot of disciplinary issues and lack of proper logistical control. All the more reason IMO as to why the U.S. troops are needed in the region as there is quite a lot of mistrust within the Iraqi chain of command itself.

That is why people usually turn towards local militas and these God Forsaken terrorists instead for their protection. Most of the insurgent groups (including the Baathists) place an Islamic extremist front to place more credibility to their POLITICAL cause and thus would want the acceptance of a wider front for support. I thought that much was pretty clear but it seems from most of the responses I have seen on this forum, it clearly isn't. And usually its those same people who tell others to go check their facts. Ironic isn't it?

I have clearly been against the Iraq war from the get-go but its clear logic that given the current circumstances, the U.S. can't back away from Iraq now... The region is currently TOTALLY divided and you can sure bet that whatever stability there is within the region will go up in flames without the presence of U.S. troops within Iraq. We already have 5 insurgent groups within the region. Combine that with plausible terrosit organizations that have a stake in the region and well... can you say cluster f***?

Anyway, to the topic at hand:

This is truly deporable and I don't know for one second how these insurgencies can place any value on Islam after they decide to use kids as part of their political agendas...

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