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Mannu
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posted June 08, 2008 11:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It is illegal to take law in to your hands and start killing people. So my statements were provocative, to make people think. If Americans needs to throw the government out, then they must vote. They cannot use force, violence , sabotage or terrorism as means. Therefore 60/70 percent voters or higher turnout at booths is absolutely required if Americans want to have their voices heard. If the voters are slack then I thinkh technically a president can be impeached by the supreme court if he/she does something unconstitutional or illegal. All these checks are there in the constitution.

Also I read somewhere that US is not for anarchism nor for communism type of government. But I do wonder at times how the democrats in this country are becoming stronger.


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BrightStar
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posted June 09, 2008 01:38 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wish everyone would stop fighting about who will become president it not the pople chioce. The elite group will decide who will be the president of the U.S.the aways do.

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Mama Mia
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posted June 09, 2008 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mama Mia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"I'll keep repeating this till i'm blue in the face.
Anything is better than Bush, even McCain. Try to put things in perspective.

What sort of plan did Bush present before coming into office?

Did he say his plan was to enter a quagmire war and plunge our nation into a recession?"

BR: I totally agree..OBama will be the next President of the US ppl hate to face that but they have no choice only time will tell..

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jwhop
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posted June 09, 2008 01:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Time for all airheads to drop the "Bush lied, people died" bullshiit and shut their lying pie holes.

Bush did the right thing in overthrowing the muderous Saddam regime. Did the right thing about the Clinton ecomony which was sliding into recession. Did the right thing about tax cuts. Did the right thing about intelligence gathering and national security and virtually every other issue the lunatic Marxist O'Bomber and his band of non thinkers oppose.

What a disgusting bunch. The only arrows in their quivers were/are lies. Time to start beating the bushes for some different lies to spout.

'Bush Lied'? If Only It Were That Simple.
By Fred Hiatt
Monday, June 9, 2008; Page A17


Search the Internet for "Bush Lied" products, and you will find sites that offer more than a thousand designs. The basic "Bush Lied, People Died" bumper sticker is only the beginning.

Sen. John D. Rockefeller IV (D-W.Va.), chairman of the Select Committee on Intelligence, set out to provide the official foundation for what has become not only a thriving business but, more important, an article of faith among millions of Americans. And in releasing a committee report Thursday, he claimed to have accomplished his mission, though he did not use the L-word.

"In making the case for war, the administration repeatedly presented intelligence as fact when it was unsubstantiated, contradicted or even nonexistent," he said.

There's no question that the administration, and particularly Vice President Cheney, spoke with too much certainty at times and failed to anticipate or prepare the American people for the enormous undertaking in Iraq.

But dive into Rockefeller's report, in search of where exactly President Bush lied about what his intelligence agencies were telling him about the threat posed by Saddam Hussein, and you may be surprised by what you find.

On Iraq's nuclear weapons program? The president's statements "were generally substantiated by intelligence community estimates."

On biological weapons, production capability and those infamous mobile laboratories? The president's statements "were substantiated by intelligence information."

On chemical weapons, then? "Substantiated by intelligence information."

On weapons of mass destruction overall (a separate section of the intelligence committee report)? "Generally substantiated by intelligence information."

Delivery vehicles such as ballistic missiles? "Generally substantiated by available intelligence."

Unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to deliver WMDs? "Generally substantiated by intelligence information."

As you read through the report, you begin to think maybe you've mistakenly picked up the minority dissent. But, no, this is the Rockefeller indictment. So, you think, the smoking gun must appear in the section on Bush's claims about Saddam Hussein's alleged ties to terrorism.

But statements regarding Iraq's support for terrorist groups other than al-Qaeda "were substantiated by intelligence information." Statements that Iraq provided safe haven for Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and other terrorists with ties to al-Qaeda "were substantiated by the intelligence assessments," and statements regarding Iraq's contacts with al-Qaeda "were substantiated by intelligence information." The report is left to complain about "implications" and statements that "left the impression" that those contacts led to substantive Iraqi cooperation.

In the report's final section, the committee takes issue with Bush's statements about Saddam Hussein's intentions and what the future might have held. But was that really a question of misrepresenting intelligence, or was it a question of judgment that politicians are expected to make?

After all, it was not Bush, but Rockefeller, who said in October 2002: "There has been some debate over how 'imminent' a threat Iraq poses. I do believe Iraq poses an imminent threat. I also believe after September 11, that question is increasingly outdated. . . . To insist on further evidence could put some of our fellow Americans at risk. Can we afford to take that chance? I do not think we can."

Rockefeller was reminded of that statement by the committee's vice chairman, Sen. Christopher S. Bond (R-Mo.), who with three other Republican senators filed a minority dissent that includes many other such statements from Democratic senators who had access to the intelligence reports that Bush read. The dissenters assert that they were cut out of the report's preparation, allowing for a great deal of skewing and partisanship, but that even so, "the reports essentially validate what we have been saying all along: that policymakers' statements were substantiated by the intelligence."

Why does it matter, at this late date? The Rockefeller report will not cause a spike in "Bush Lied" mug sales, and the Bond dissent will not lead anyone to scrape the "Bush Lied" bumper sticker off his or her car.

But the phony "Bush lied" story line distracts from the biggest prewar failure: the fact that so much of the intelligence upon which Bush and Rockefeller and everyone else relied turned out to be tragically, catastrophically wrong.

And it trivializes a double dilemma that President Bill Clinton faced before Bush and that President Obama or McCain may well face after: when to act on a threat in the inevitable absence of perfect intelligence and how to mobilize popular support for such action, if deemed essential for national security, in a democracy that will always, and rightly, be reluctant.

For the next president, it may be Iran's nuclear program, or al-Qaeda sanctuaries in Pakistan, or, more likely, some potential horror that today no one even imagines. When that time comes, there will be plenty of warnings to heed from the Iraq experience, without the need to fictionalize more.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/08/AR2008060801687.html

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