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jwhop
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posted October 30, 2008 06:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yes, I read the Berg Odyssey and his lawsuit has been dismissed...because as the judge said, Berg has no standing to sue on this issue.

That's bs of course. If a citizen of the US who is a potential voter in an election for or against a candidate for a national office cannot sue to enforce the US Constitution as to constitutional qualifications to hold the office then there's no one who can sue on that issue.

Berg has said he's going to appeal to the US Supreme Court. It's getting a little late for that process since ballots have been printed.

The best plan would have been for citizens of the states to sue the Secretary of State for each state and force them into an investigation. It's the Secretaries of States who are charged with determining the qualifications of candidates...before putting their names on the ballot in their state.

My opinion but with O'Bombers birth records sealed, his university records sealed, it would seem the only way to force those records into the open would have been lawsuits at the state level or at the federal level with a suit against the Secretary of State..of all the states.

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Mannu
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posted October 30, 2008 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
>>>If a citizen of the US who is a potential voter in an election for or against a candidate for a national office cannot sue to enforce the US Constitution as to constitutional qualifications to hold the office then there's no one who can sue on that issue.

5 thumbsup to that.

Him visiting granny in Hawaii was a farce beyond doubt. The governor sealing his brith records days later proves something is fishy. We also know Obama already threw his grandma under the bus long ago.

BTW Obama is using his skills as an attorney to the maxim? Its fair in politics.
I am laughing at the American liberals everywhere. They are fun only when they are not in power.


Obama has no scheduled press interviews for several days. I wish journalists will ask him directly about his birth origins and we have it on record pre elections. Its not gonna happen, it appears.

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Mannu
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posted October 31, 2008 06:08 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wrote this elsewhere :
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Our constitution is written in the spirits of equality for all. It is biased when the president is elected, and expects him to be born here. The person can loose his citizenship even when he is natural born under certain scenarios.
It is not a flaw but a necessity. The only flaw is a power hungry politician who calls it a flaw.

Continuing...Take Obama for example who is bringing his Indonesian upbringing in to USA. All dirty socialistic policies in to a proven wealthy and prosperous nation the US, which he hates deep inside. His associations suddenly seems to have changed overnight from Radicals like Ayers who wrote a book praising Robert Kennedy's murderer, Wright (who is more of a politician than a priest), Khalidi, Odinga etc etc..to Buffet and others.

There are two scenarios about his citizenship:

1. Simplest case is when he was born in Kenya. He is outright disqualified if that was the case.

2. He was born in Hawaii but lost his citizenship due to a scenario described in the constitution or judicial laws. Didn't some one hack his passport? We need to go back all the way to the past when he travelled on several passports. The Immigration department may or may not have those in their records. It might perhaps take them some time to obtain that information.

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jwhop
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posted October 31, 2008 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
O'Bomber's relatives in Kenya claim he was born in Kenya...and his mother later flew to Hawaii to have his birth registered there so he could be a US citizen..."certificate of live birth"...as opposed to a "Birth Certificate".

That however wouldn't qualify O'Bomber to be a "Natural Born" citizen of the United States.

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posted October 31, 2008 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Newest on Berg's challenge of O'Bomber's constitutional qualifications to be President.

The question is...why would Berg make application for an injunction to Associate Justice David Souter...as opposed to say Chief Justice Roberts or one of the others on the Court who hold the view that the US Constitution means what it says and that's what the Court should enforce?

The only possibility I can see is that Souter has..possibly...been assigned to review applications of cases coming from Berg's region of the US.

Supremes asked to halt Tuesday's vote
Constitutional crisis feared over Obama's 'qualifications'
Posted: October 30, 2008
11:00 pm Eastern

The U.S. Supreme Court is being asked to help the nation avoid a constitutional crisis by halting Tuesday's election until Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama documents his eligibility to run for the top office in the nation.

Democratic attorney Philip Berg had filed a lawsuit alleging Obama is ineligible to be president because of possible birth in Kenya, but as WND reported, a federal judge dismissed the complaint claiming Berg lacks standing to bring the action.

The 34-page memorandum that accompanied the court order from Judge R. Barclay Surrick concluded ordinary citizens can't sue to ensure that a presidential candidate actually meets the constitutional requirements of the office.

Instead, Surrick said Congress could determine "that citizens, voters, or party members should police the Constitution's eligibility requirements for the Presidency," but that it would take new laws to grant individual citizens that ability.

"Until that time," Surrick says, "voters do not have standing to bring the sort of challenge that Plaintiff attempts to bring."

Berg has maintained that uncertainty about how the U.S. does enforce the requirements of presidency may result in a constitutional crisis should an ineligible candidate win the office.

In a statement today, Berg said he is applying to Justice David Souter for an "Immediate Injunction to Stay the Presidential Election of November 4, 2008."

"I am hopeful that the U.S. Supreme Court will grant the injunction pending a review of this case to avoid a constitutional crisis by insisting that Obama produce certified documentation that he is or is not a "natural born" citizen and if he cannot produce documentation that Obama be removed from the ballot for president," Berg said.

"We must legally prevent Obama, the unqualified candidate, from taking the office of the presidency of the United States," Berg said.

The issue of Obama's eligibility first got traction among Internet bloggers and later was heightened when several campaigns were launched to determine whether a "certificate of live birth" posted on the Internet by the Obama campaign was valid.

The issue gained more attention when Berg told radio talk show icon Michael Savage he had an admission from Obama's grandmather that she was at his birth – in Kenya.

"This is a question of who has standing to stand up for our Constitution," Berg told Jeff Schreiber of America's Right blog. "If I don't have standing, if you don't have standing, if your neighbor doesn't have standing to ask whether or not the likely next president of the United States – the most powerful man in the entire world – is eligible to be in that office in the first place, then who does?"

As WND reported, Berg filed suit in U.S. District Court in August, alleging Obama is not a natural-born citizen and is thus ineligible to serve as president of the United States. Berg demanded that Obama provide documentation to the court to verify that the candidate was born in Hawaii, as Obama contends, and not in Kenya, as Berg believes.
http://worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=79519

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jwhop
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posted October 31, 2008 01:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
More...and notice the spin the press puts on this story.

"fact-checking groups and journalists have concluded that the Hawaiian birth certificate appears to be authentic.
"

Notice, as far as I know, no Hawaii "birth certificate" has been produced. What I understand to have been produced is a "Certificate of Live Birth"...which is a different document from a "Birth Certificate". Birth Certificates have all the information as to where the birth occurred, weight, length, usually a hand or footprint, name of the hospital and the name and signature of the attending physician...as well as the date and time of birth.

Ruling to come on Obama birth case
By Sheila McLaughlin • smclaughlin@enquirer.com • October 30, 2008

A Warren County magistrate said he’ll decide tomorrow whether Ohio Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner has to get proof that Barack Obama was born in the United States.

David M. Neal, a Turtlecreek Township resident who runs a political Web site, filed suit last week, saying state and federal government leaders have failed to verify that Obama was born in Hawaii, instead of Kenya.

The U.S. Constitution requires presidents to be natural-born citizens who are at least 35 years old.

Neal says he’s part of a nationwide grass-roots movement that has questioned Obama’s birthplace and qualification to run for president.

Neal’s complaint asserts that Obama’s Internet site does not disclose the name of the hospital where Obama was born and that an original long version of the birth certificate should be made available before the election.

The controversy has lingered even though various fact-checking groups and journalists have concluded that the Hawaiian birth certificate appears to be authentic.

Neal contends that Obama should be removed from the Ohio ballot if Brunner can’t confirm that Obama was born in the United States.

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Mannu
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posted October 31, 2008 01:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah I believe that, in the past people have produced SSN for illegal aliens. The government offices are not corruption proof.


But Obama has far less time to change all evidence everywhere --his university , when he applied for the senator position, etc etc... Remember once he said he will not run for the president. He is aware that even one document will destroy him if he is caught.

He seems to attract losers and greedy politician everywhere so I am not surprised if he may be buying out people with his supporters money. Remember he was even supported by wealthy people for his college education.


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Mannu
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posted October 31, 2008 01:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Democrat: Obama's paternal grandma confirms Kenyan birth

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=78931


I can't wait to hear from a dying maternal grandma.

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Mannu
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posted October 31, 2008 01:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Barack Obama is not even legally a black American. He only has one black great-great-grandmother on his father's side while the other 7 were Arab.

That makes him 50% white, 43.75% Arab, and 6.25% black. 12.5% is the minimum required to legally claim any racial status in America.

Obama would quallify as the first Arab-American president, NOT the first black president. That is why they keep saying "African-American" and NOT black because they know he is African Arab and not African black.

Of course the little black-lie will be told over, and over, and over again and he will rely on those eigth-grade educations he recently reffered to his black supporters as having to get them to buy it.

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posted October 31, 2008 01:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ted Kennedy must ask Obama that he wants to see all his originals.

I am sure he will act patriotic if Obama tells him the truth.

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lotusheartone
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posted November 01, 2008 06:58 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obama's Aunt, here illegally...

Obama aunt from Kenya living in U.S. illegally: Associated Press
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WASHINGTON - Barack Obama's aunt, a Kenyan woman who has been quietly living in public housing in Boston, is in the United States illegally after an immigration judge rejected her request for asylum four years ago, The Associated Press has learned.


Zeituni Onyango, 56, referred to as "Aunti Zeituni" in Obama's memoir, was instructed to leave the United States by a U.S. immigration judge who denied her asylum request, a person familiar with the matter told the AP late Friday. This person spoke on condition of anonymity because no one was authorized to discuss Onyango's case.


Information about the deportation case was disclosed and confirmed by two separate sources, one of them a federal law enforcment official. The information they made available is known to officials in the federal government, but the AP could not establish whether anyone at a political level in the Bush administration or in the McCain campaign had been involved in its release.


Onyango's refusal to leave the country would represent an administrative, non-criminal violation of U.S. immigration law, meaning such cases are handled outside the criminal court system. Estimates vary, but many experts believe there are more than 10 million such immigrants in the United States.


The AP could not reach Onyango immediately for comment. No one answered the telephone number listed in her name late Friday. It was unclear why her request for asylum was rejected in 2004.


Onyango is not a relative whom Obama has discussed in campaign appearances and, unlike Obama's father and grandmother, is not someone who has been part of the public discussion about his personal life.


A spokeswoman for U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement, Kelly Nantel, said the government does not comment on an individual's citizenship status or immigration case.


Onyango's case - coming to light just days before the presidential election - led to an unusual U.S.-wide directive within Immigrations and Customs Enforcement requiring any deportations prior to Tuesday's election to be approved at least at the level of ICE regional directors, the U.S. law enforcement official told the AP.


The unusual directive suggests that the Bush administration is sensitive to the political implications of Onyango's case coming to light so close to the election.


Kenya is in eastern Africa between Somalia and Tanzania. The country has been fractured in violence in recent years, including a period of two months of bloodshed after December 2007 that killed 1,500 people.


The disclosure about Onyango came just one day after Obama's presidential campaign confirmed to the Times of London that Onyango, who has lived quietly in public housing in South Boston for five years, was Obama's half aunt on his father's side.


It was not immediately clear how Onyango might have qualified for public housing with a standing deportation order.


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Spagat reported from New York.


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Mannu
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posted November 02, 2008 12:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Doesn't that make her Auntie living on US welfare? How did she manage that? Did Obama help her?

Our messiah as always, says he is not aware of her aunts status. His truth squad will say 'this is last minute distractions'.

quote:

With the White House seemingly within grasp, Barack Obama was rocked on Saturday by news that he has an African aunt living
''illegally'' in the United States and that she may have made a small but unlawful contribution to his presidential campaign.
The story doesn't appear to be a major roadblock to Obama's drive to the White House, but the conservative media broke into a feeding frenzy over the weekend after the 'scoop' was first reported in the Rupert Murdoch-owned Times of London and latched on to by other right-wing properties such as Fox and other media outlets. Obama quickly issued a statement on Saturday morning following a flurry of stories saying he did not know that one of his relatives was living in the US illegally.

According to the story, Zeituni Onyango, who is referred to as ''Aunti Zeituni'' in Obama's memoir, is his Kenyan father's half-sister who has been living in Boston for several years now. She reportedly was instructed to leave four years ago by a immigration judge who denied her asylum request.



We must really investigate each persons contributing to our messiah. Nice way to find thugs,illegals, LSD users this way. I am glad the Hardy boys and Nancy Drew brains still tick in some American officials brains

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posted November 02, 2008 01:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://law.onecle.com/uscode/8/1401.html


Sec. 1401. Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth: (a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof; (b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property; (c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person; (d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, [u]and[/u] the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States; (e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person; (f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States; (g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and (h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.

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posted November 02, 2008 01:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Palin bemoans illegal immigration while Obama harbors illegals

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posted November 02, 2008 05:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Is this the flaw in constitution he talks about? Strange, Why is this not part of vetting process by the election commission?
I cannot work in a government IT project without security clearance and how can this jerk be able to become president without one?

Barack Obama Denied National Security Clearance
Barack Obama Denied National Security Clearance Aug.20, 2008 in General Barack Obama cannot be Trusted with Classified Information

How can the President of the United States be denied a basic security clearance? How can the Commander and Chief of the most powerful military be denied access to classified information? Barack Obama would be denied the necessary security clearance for President if he was held to the same standard as everyone else. If you can’t pass a Secret level background investigation, which is required for many soldiers, you should not be eligible for the Presidency http://www.secureputer.com/obamadeniedsecurityclearance/

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posted November 02, 2008 05:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obama's citizenship? video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs

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lotusheartone
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posted November 02, 2008 06:05 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
and this one, is interesting...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAZAbqgpoGQ&feature=related

part 1, is too!

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lotusheartone
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posted November 02, 2008 06:35 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
articale about his aunt, and his citizenship...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/uselection2008/barackobama/3367985/Democrats-suspect-dirty-tricks-over-Barack-Obama-aunt.html

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lotusheartone
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posted November 02, 2008 06:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oh my, check out this article, hehe
http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=14783168

he's looking like a hypocrite!

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posted November 02, 2008 07:16 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
U.S. Citizenship Law...
http://www.aca.ch/hisuscit.htm

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Mannu
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posted November 02, 2008 07:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mannu     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, he is a liar. Says one thing to one group of people and another thing to another. He was anti-outsourcing not long ago.


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posted November 02, 2008 07:34 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
here's another article...
http://www.aca.ch/hisuscit.htm

now, let's see how many lawsuits are going...

be right back...

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posted November 02, 2008 07:52 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
darn it, I can only find two, but I know there are many more...

arrrr, why doesn't he just prove himSelf, like the rest of us have to do!?

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posted November 02, 2008 08:12 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I found this, comments from Washington post...edit*Washington Times
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There are lawsuits filed in 9 states so far..

Hawaii

California

Washington

Pennsylvania

Utah

Connecticut

Georgia

Ohio

Open your eyes - This is not going away..

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posted November 07, 2008 02:47 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
http://wire.factcheck.org/2008/11/01/its-official-obama-born-in-the-usa/

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