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Mannu
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posted September 05, 2008 02:27 PM
  
Added this blog here for you to see what people are chatting about:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/06/obama-birth.html  A new development this week in the countdown to the Democratic National Convention: Philip J. Berg has filed a lawsuit, in which he alleges that Barack Hussein Obama is ineligible to run for President. His allegations are based on questions about Obama's citizenship. He has asked the U.S District Court to declare Obama ineligible for the presidency on the basis that he is not a natural born American citizen. A separate motion was filed to seek a temporary restraining order against Obama's presidential campaign until Obama's eligibility to run for President can be verified. Obama's citizenship is being questioned in several different ways. First, is whether or not he was actually born in Hawaii. If he was born in Hawaii, in 1961, He was born on US soil. There is one group that would even dispute that Hawaii is US soil, but the allegation in the lawsuit suggests that Obama was already born In Kenya before he ever made it to Hawaii. Several Of Obama's own relatives say he was born in Kenya, and his Mother flew herself and the infant Barack Obama to get his birth registered as if he was born in Hawaii, making him a US Citizen. The birth certificate lists the race of his father as "African". In 1961, that would not be the term used to designate a race. Berg has additional evidence that the birth certificate was a forgery, including the fact that there is no record of his birth in any hospital in Hawaii. The suit also claims that even if Obama had an American citizenship, he lost it when his mother married another man and the whole family moved to Indonesia. This action gave Obama an Indonesian citizenship. This would also put into question if he were an American citizen even now. According to the suit, Obama flew to Pakistan in 1981 using an Indonesian Passport. There is evidence that also has Obama with a Kenyan citizenship. To have loyalties divided among three countries would make a person ineligible to run for president according to Berg.
What might be Philip Berg's motivation for this lawsuit? Well, as it turns out, Berg is a big Hillary Clinton supporter. If any action takes place on this lawsuit, it is Hillary's last chance to run for president in 2008. If that is the motivation, or not, we really need for the people running for President to be eligible in the first place. There was a question about McCain's citizenship as he was born in the Panama Canal Zone while it was a US possession. That has already been cleared up, as he was born to parents who were both US Citizens. http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/980050/obama_lawsuit_citizen_or_not.html IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted September 05, 2008 02:33 PM
A conversation with Philip J Berg, Esq
http://www.americasright.com/2008/08/q-with-phillip-berg.html IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted September 05, 2008 02:34 PM
That's a waste of his time. Obama's birth in Hawaii is legitimate.IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted September 05, 2008 02:35 PM
If you are adopted in a different country I think you lose your citizenship.IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted September 05, 2008 02:53 PM
You're wrong.IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted September 05, 2008 02:58 PM
What if his birth certificate is fake?Or if you have more than two passports.
The guys an attorney. IP: Logged |
AcousticGod
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posted September 05, 2008 02:59 PM
So is Obama.IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted September 05, 2008 03:05 PM
Are you an attorney too?I have a spear, you have a spear. So lets not fight. What crap logic is that?
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AcousticGod
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posted September 05, 2008 03:43 PM
What kind of crap logic is it for an attorney to believe another, likely higher educated, attorney (who used to teach law for 11 years) wouldn't have his citizenship in order?That's completely illogical. IP: Logged |
juniperb
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posted September 05, 2008 03:46 PM
Common sense tells me if it was had even the remotest chance of being true, the Republicans and Hillarys camp would have been all over it like a duck on a junebug.juni ------------------
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AcousticGod
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posted September 05, 2008 03:49 PM
I would have to agree with you. I also happen to know that factcheck.org has been presented with his actual birth certificate, and have no reason to doubt it.IP: Logged |
pidaua
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posted September 05, 2008 05:08 PM
I have to agree that the Hillary camp and his opposition would have already used this against him. It was also proved as false on snopes.com. As much as I don't like the man, false allegations should not be used against him. IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted September 05, 2008 08:51 PM
Inconsistencies undermine FactCheck report on Obama "birth certificate" http://web.israelinsider.com/Articles/Politics/13075.htm IP: Logged |
pidaua
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posted September 05, 2008 08:55 PM
Oh Mannu.. as much as I hate Obomber... we have to look at sources... seriously, the Hillary campaign would have burned him on the stake for this and the GOP would have ousted him for good. IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted September 05, 2008 09:03 PM
Yes Yes.
I wondered too before posting.
But didn't find that being discussed here.The GOP is now on him these 60 days.
This lawsuit came on time after his nomination. And who knows why Hillary is sucking up to her democratic party. Perhaps she is promised a great cabinet position. Obama seems to be one coming down to US from the white clouds. Every one is spending their time in packaging him that way. They think Americans are dumb and they can get away with anything. Who would have expected this year to be end of Journalism in America. Everything is just plain silly.
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Mannu
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posted October 22, 2008 10:26 PM
Should rename the thread title to :
Obama's citizenship questioned.Obama made recent trips to Hawaii shrouded in secrecy.
http://www.americasright.com/2008/10/berg-obama-dnc-admit-all-allegations.html http://www.americasright.com/
http://www.americasright.com/2008/10/berg-obama-dnc-admit-all-allegations.html http://www.conservativesforum.com/cgi-bin/conservatives-forum/YaBB.pl?num=1224589884
http://www.obamacrimes.com/index.php/component/content/article/1-philip-j-berg-esq-files-federal-lawsuit-requesting-obama-be-removed-as-a-candidate-as-he-does-not-meet-the-qualific ations-for-president
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Mannu
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posted October 30, 2008 01:51 PM
Let's see what we know about Barack Obama: 1. His mother is (was) an American citizen. 2. He may have been born in Kenya. Kenya did not permit women, who were in their third trimester, to board a Kenyan Airline plane. 3. Two Hawaiian hospitals lay claim to his birth. 4. His birth certificate is of dubious origin. 5. There is no record of him having taken an oath of allegiance to the Constitution before he turned 18 years of age, in the event his birth occurred outside the United States. 6. His high school grades were average. His high school graduating rank in class is secret. 7. He attended a Community or Junior College for two years. These institutions are known by University Admissions Officers to be notorious for their grade inflations. Students, who do not qualify for university admission directly from high school, are counseled to first attend a Community/Junior College to improve their academic standing. 8. He was admitted to and spent two years at Columbia and graduated. He obviously met their graduation requirements, whatever they were at the time for students admitted under special circumstances. The Obama Election Committee is not forthcoming about his status of admission to Columbia. 9. Similarly, he was admitted to Harvard Law. In the 1980s, Ivy League schools were well known for admitting students through affirmative action programs. Acquaintances who attended Harvard Law freely admit there were two standards for admission as well as for graduation. 10. For two decades, he attended a community church noted for its vitriolic political rhetoric 11. He became a political activist, who was nominated by his party for a senatorial seat that he ultimately won. 12. Fringe radical groups, who have succeeded to the leadership of the Democrat Party, were instrumental in having him represent the now metamorphosed party in the 2008 national election. 13. His political and economic, views are amorphous. His social views are consistent with the radical views of the insurgent left-wing of his party.IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted October 30, 2008 01:53 PM
Lets just ask her Grandmother for the truth. No one lies on their death bed.Does anyone think Obama will kill her?
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Mannu
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posted October 30, 2008 05:07 PM
OMG - he wants naturalized citizens to be president of US.
Damn... what was I thinking? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs Ignore the first commercial and watch the rest. You don't want to miss it.
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jwhop
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posted October 30, 2008 05:37 PM
How odd don't you think that O'Bomber went to Hawaii...to see his sick grandmother...and THEN the Governor of Hawaii formally sealed O'Bomber's birth records. Of course, O'Bomber didn't bother taking the kids...and Michelle to see his sick grandmother whom they may never see again. Odd that eh? Obama's birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document
Posted: October 26, 2008
9:54 pm Eastern
By Jerome R. Corsi 
Gov. Linda Lingle, R-Hawaii HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama's birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii's Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate's birth certificate under seal and instructed the state's Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances.
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Mannu
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posted October 30, 2008 05:43 PM
Did she?OMG that makes sense.
Someone please get the facts out.
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Mannu
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posted October 30, 2008 05:52 PM
Obama 'admits' Kenyan birth?
Campaign doesn't respond to claims in lawsuit over birth certificate
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Now Berg cites Rule 36 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure, which states that unless the accused party provides written answer or objection to charges within 30 days, the accused legally admits the matter.Since Obama has only filed motions to dismiss and has not actually answered the charges in the lawsuit, Berg claims, according to Rule 36, Obama has legally admitted he is not a natural-born citizen. Now Berg is asking the court for a formal declaration of Obama's admission and asking the Democratic National Committee for another presidential candidate.
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Mannu
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posted October 30, 2008 05:53 PM
I think Obama must come out to the people now. Otherwise Biden becomes the president if he wins and he is later found ineligible.My mama will forgive you Obama if you do it before Nov 4. If later people will throw stones on you and spit on you.
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jwhop
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posted October 30, 2008 05:56 PM
This issue may also be tied to O'Bomber refusing to release his University records. Wonder what's in those records. We know O'Bomber didn't come from a wealthy family and may well have gotten student aid or grants of one type or another. Is O'Bomber listed as a foreign student in those records?No way of telling unless or until those records are made available for inspection. But, the main issue is...what is O'Bomber hiding that he doesn't want to come out? I would have released the whole shooting match the minute anything was questioned...especially the actual birth certificate...and not merely a "certificate of live birth" which can be produced after the fact..even days, weeks or months after the fact and doesn't specify where, what hospital, what doctor and no physican's signatures. Nothing to check in the doctors records either. IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted October 30, 2008 05:58 PM
Why is this not a national priority like the Bail out was?
Why are good people in DNP not objecting?
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