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Topic: if YOU were president...
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6024 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 27, 2009 09:08 PM
how would YOU do it? can't help wondering what all the critics would do if they were in the hot seat. jwhop? anyone??IP: Logged |
Azalaksh Knowflake Posts: 982 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 28, 2009 12:36 AM
kat ~(don't forget to invite Lara and rogue_guru ) I bet you they all will demur, saying "Who in their right mind would want that awful job anyway?? I'm not a pawn of the Reptilians and the Illuminati!!" thus sidestepping your question IP: Logged |
Quinnie Moderator Posts: 780 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 28, 2009 04:59 AM
I would set up set up assistant government/congress, one made up of the most dedicated people in their careers, teachers, nurses, doctors,lawyers, psychologists to approve the appropriate legislations and topartake in the decisions being made about the issues that they deal with and effect them. There would be constant research and dialogue and part-time roles, more flexibility at work and as advocates.Regarding international affairs I would say NO to war and engage in direct dialogue with so called 'terrorists' and much along the lines of Obama hire the people who know the most about international politics, history etc to be envoys. Peace activist and petitions would be listened to. The economic situation would be capatilist but a more fairly distrubution of money as in higher taxes for those who take more moeny than others, higher minimum wage so that people can live comfortably and also be encouraged to work. Community projects working with school kids to offer self development and working for the community programs. Compulsory charity donations (as in percentage of tax to be given to charities fairly). A review of the educations system (looking towards possible rudolph steiner influence etc and international history)and media legislations reviewed and changed so as to allow for balanced educational informing media outlets and the encouragement of human rights underlying this. No health insurance, medical assistance will be offered much along the lines of an improved Brittish NHS. Em I'll add more to this as it comes to me. HEHE. All in al quite alot of work to be done.IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6024 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 28, 2009 12:05 PM
well i wouldn't want the job myself. which is part of the reason for the thread! i don't think most of us would, which is why we elect someone to take all the blame for everything. president=scapegoat??though it would take a lot of balls and planning to make it work, the first thing i would do would be put all the parasites out to pasture for a few months on half pay or less...throw th power back on the locals and see what people do with a REAL people's government. of course someone would have to make sure the BUTTON didn't get pushed...how about bringing home ALL the troops?? i wonder what people would think if we just left the rest of the world to THEIR own devices? one huge problem any president has at this stage in history is the military-industrial monster...which has grown so large that if we don't keep feeding it we could all be blown up by the bombs we don't know how to handle, the waste that's sitting around, etc...plus imagine what the military would do if we cancelled their contracts - i mean, they have the firepower in their control...would they just say f that and take over? but one possible solution would be to USE the space program for something useful, like delivering all nuclear weapons into space where they can be exploded...without doing any harm and the debris could float away as the universe continues to expand... IP: Logged |
AcousticGod Knowflake Posts: 4415 From: Pleasanton, CA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 28, 2009 02:41 PM
quote: i wonder what people would think if we just left the rest of the world to THEIR own devices?
I would be inclined to remove ourselves from military conflicts as well. If they were in our best interest, then I'd support contributing to a military effort, but I would only take the lead in trying to garner the coalition. If a coalition didn't materialize, and if other nations weren't willing to coordinate or take up the leadership as necessary, then I'd probably not be inclined to go through with whatever the proposed action was. IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6024 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 28, 2009 04:13 PM
unfortunately the peacemakers get trashed. even poor old jimmy carter gets branded illuminati by the likes of david icke. i suppose another alternative would be to just bomb the f--ing h--l out of EVERYONE else and then we don't have to have spies, foreign bases, nuclear threats, a third world to worry about, NO PROBS HUH?? seems non of the players here who love to run down the current leadership have any suggestions in the positive at all...?? IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6024 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 29, 2009 03:09 PM
i am actually interested in what you lot think about this. if some of my suggestions seem naive or silly you are entitled to your opinions...IP: Logged |
Quinnie Moderator Posts: 780 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 29, 2009 03:34 PM
Hey KatatonicYour ideas are not naive. The only thing is I think perhaps a gradual handing over of people power would be better and thats why I would suggest the people assist the government. To begin with the changes need to occur at basic, core level and that to me is the education and schooling we receive. You want to change people's opinions on war or make them aware of international affairs so that they don't have a biased opinion of their own country.... start educating them. So many crimes are committed when people feel oppressed in some way. That could be socially, morally, physically, economically,psychologically, and it all needs to be attended to and the best way to start in my opinion is with the most recent generation being taught in schools. I agree with you, take out the troops in the other countries but still keep a connection, a support in place to carry out talks as third parties not as in meddling with another country's affairs. Your idea on testing out nuclear weapons in space is interesting to say the least. Any idea of implications that could occur from it?
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6024 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 29, 2009 05:14 PM
well obviously there COULD be repercussions but it seems to me that in space there is less potential to harm anything or body, with the added benefit that our expanding universe would immediately start pulling the pieces apart...since stars implode with regularity a bomb here a bomb there probably would be the safest way. of course i am no space scientist so this would have to be researched CAREFULLY...once upon a time we thought dropping one in japan would be an isolated incident!!as for gradual change i think pluto in capricorn is going to put us in a pressure cooker, especially when uranus goes into aries. not sure how much discussion will happen before the 2nd american revolution (our pluto return!) i was being a bit fantastical about sending them all on vacation but it would a) cut our costs b) force us to work out some solutions on our own. of course there might be an almighty bloodbath too!! and i really think the military might make some serious and nasty response to being put out of work!! IP: Logged |
Quinnie Moderator Posts: 780 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 29, 2009 05:59 PM
"i really think the military might make some serious and nasty response to being put out of work!!"Which is why I think an assited government would be better, that way people get to influence the changes and share the power whilst the current leadership (still respected by the military) gradually reduces it's power by reducing it's numbers and engaging in talks and friendly communications with other countries. I think a new world order is in need, not a one currency, one government type but one in which all the countries can work together and reap the benefits. So when is the 2nd American revolution due? Your space idea sounds plausible, just needs approved and researched. What about the economy and the recession, any ideas on how to improve that?
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katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6024 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 29, 2009 07:55 PM
wampum? (joke?)IP: Logged |
Quinnie Moderator Posts: 780 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 30, 2009 08:53 AM
wampum?IP: Logged |
Azalaksh Knowflake Posts: 982 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 30, 2009 09:15 AM
Quinnie ~Wampum is a string of creamy white colored shell beads fashioned from the North Atlantic channeled whelk (Busycotypus canaliculatus) shell, and is traditionally used by Indigenous Americans, First Nations peoples, Native Americans, hobbyists, business people, and traders, who regarded it as a sacred or trade representative of the value of the artist's work. Wampum is also used for engagement, marriage, and betrothal agreements, as well as for ceremony and condolence ceremonies. The creamy white colored shell beads of the whelk symbolized internal energies of peace, harmony, and contentment. Wampum is often confused with Sewant, which symbolized the outside energies of a system. Wampum beads (creamy white colored spiral growth) are made from the channeled whelk shell. Sewant beads (black or dark purple) are made from the Poquahock, commonly known as the quahog, quahaug, or Western North Atlantic hard-shelled clam. katatonic ~ Two words: TERM LIMITS IP: Logged |
rogue_guru unregistered
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posted January 30, 2009 02:11 PM
If I were President, I wouldn't have much of a chance to do anything. The establishment would have me assassinated pretty darned quickly (just as they would Ron Paul). They don't stand for nonconformists in the Oval Office.And Azalaksh, I'm disappointed. I see people that I know and like, and think well of, greeting you heartily, as though you were something Good, and here you are being petty and mean to me via fallacious logic. Surely anyone reading this who has two brain cells to rub together knows that just because person A expresses some views that are similar to person B, you can't automatically assume that both parties share all beliefs. For the record, I don't give any credence to Icke's "reptilian" theories, though the man has an amazing lot of good to say otherwise. Tsk, tsk. IP: Logged |
Azalaksh Knowflake Posts: 982 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 30, 2009 02:46 PM
I'm sorry I disappointed you, my fellow Libran I did find what you wrote over in Heil! Heil! Heil! very interesting and worthwhile reading.....IP: Logged |
Mannu Knowflake Posts: 45 From: always here and no where Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 30, 2009 02:56 PM
>>>quahog, quahaug so now I know why the town is called Quahog in "Family Guy" IP: Logged |
Lara unregistered
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posted January 30, 2009 03:30 PM
Zala, you are a hoot! First l would get rid of the Federal Reserve Bank with their $1 interest on every $1 loaned to the citizens of the US. Then l would get rid of Rothschild and stop this "global monetary Unity" insanity.
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Lara unregistered
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posted January 30, 2009 03:35 PM
quote: If I were President, I wouldn't have much of a chance to do anything. The establishment would have me assassinated pretty darned quickly (just as they would Ron Paul). They don't stand for nonconformists in the Oval Office. And Azalaksh, I'm disappointed. I see people that I know and like, and think well of, greeting you heartily, as though you were something Good, and here you are being petty and mean to me via fallacious logic. Surely anyone reading this who has two brain cells to rub together knows that just because person A expresses some views that are similar to person B, you can't automatically assume that both parties share all beliefs. For the record, I don't give any credence to Icke's "reptilian" theories, though the man has an amazing lot of good to say otherwise.
ditto all of the above, spoken by a 'mature and intelligent' human being. Facetious is another good word alongside fallacious IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6024 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 30, 2009 03:51 PM
zala - what ABOUT term limits??well rogue's post brings up a REALLY important point. we all sit around bashing presidents, but look what they are up against. i don't think the best of them has a lot of chances to accomplish anything, what with the faceless and not so faceless mafia who appear to run the world. but some have tried. and i suspect the ones who do best are those, like the lbj's and clinton's among them, who know the game( i am neither endorsing nor blasting either of those men, just recognizing their political savvy). AND THOSE WILLING TO BE CRUCIFIED... i am hoping that obama is as smart as he looks, because he also could work around the obstacles to get somewhere NEAR WHERE HE WANTS TO GO with this... out of 44 presidents i think it's 10 who have had attempts on their lives, and 4 who have actually been killed in office. that is 1 in 11 presidents who has stood up tall enough to get themselves shot. and if you believe in eternal life, whether consecutive or uninterrupted, maybe it would be worth taking the chance. rogue?? what would you do if you KNEW you would come back/ not be killable?? IP: Logged |
sunshine_lion unregistered
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posted January 30, 2009 03:53 PM
i would make my birthday a national holiday and make everyone send me cupcakes and 2 dollars. yup, thats what i would do.IP: Logged |
lalalinda Moderator Posts: 1120 From: nevada Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 30, 2009 03:55 PM
I would make birth control, sex education, abortion, sterilization, etc. easy to obtain for many reasons including over population which has unfortunatly become an issue.and if I'm hormonal I'll become 100% self sufficient. Jwhop IP: Logged |
sunshine_lion unregistered
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posted January 30, 2009 04:02 PM
i would also make sure there is a chocolate dispenser for any card holding menapausal woman every two miles.uhm - free tissues at sad movies. that too. i would round up illegal immagrants and send them home until the required paperwork is completed to be legal- working - tax paying citezins i would have off site testing for home schooled children - as i do not think most of them are getting a full rounded education uhm - what else - my birthday would be a national holiday - ok - i know i already said that - but that is a good one. legalize and tax marijuanna float for bloat - i would campaign against monthly bloating and make some kind of treat available for suffering women of all ages
men would be required to give up the remote the first entire week of every month ok so far looking good.
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Azalaksh Knowflake Posts: 982 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 30, 2009 04:26 PM
katatonic ~THE REAL POLITICS OF TERM LIMITS The only serious opponents of term limits are incumbent politicians and the special interests -- particularly labor unions -- that support them. The specter of term limits creates powerful emotional reactions in opponents, at least two elected legislators (one the chairman of the House Administration Subcommittee on Elections) having publicly compared the term limits movement to Nazism. Such overheated rhetoric indicates both the threat that term limits poses to established special interests and the urgency of the battle for them. Special interests oppose term limits because they do not want to lose their valuable investments in incumbent legislators. Many are organized to extract programs, subsidies, and regulations from the federal government -- to use the law, in other words, as a lever to benefit their own constituencies or harm their rivals. The zero-sum transfer economy from which skilled lobbyists profit -- as well as their own high-paying jobs -- will be decimated by term limits that force lobbyists to relearn the priorities of new Members and make arguments on the merits, not on the strength of personal connections. The number of groups listed in the Encyclopedia of Associations has quadrupled in the last four decades from fewer than 5,000 in 1956 to over 20,000 today as special interests have taken advantage of legislators' vulnerability to proposals that concentrate benefits but disperse costs. Such growth in lobbies and organizations is anything but a sign of democratic vigor. From: http://www.heritage.org/Research/GovernmentReform/BG994.cfm IP: Logged |
katatonic Knowflake Posts: 6024 From: Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 30, 2009 05:01 PM
maybe i'm especially dumb today. i understand why lobbyists and powermongers do not like term limits...and why fdr established them after being elected for his 4th term, realizing that it was too easy for someone to start looking more like a king than a president if there was no established limit...what i don't understand is - what you are getting at?? IP: Logged |
Azalaksh Knowflake Posts: 982 From: New Brighton, MN, USA Registered: Apr 2009
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posted January 30, 2009 05:39 PM
I'm FOR term limits. I really meant term limits for Congress tho, not for the office of President (as that already exists). As the article excerpt said, lobbyists would have to start over at Square One to get their hooks into each new incoming congressperson, rather than already having an established relationship that continues for decades..... And, since time is of the essence if there are term limits, the lobbyists might have less of a chance of getting what they want, and definitely fewer return trips to the public trough.Senator Dates of Service Length of Service 1. Robert C. Byrd (D-WV) Jan 3, 1959 to present 50 years, 19 days 2. Strom Thurmond (R-SC) Dec 24, 1954 to Apr 4, 1956 and Nov 7, 1956 to Jan 3, 2003 47 years, 5 months, 17 days 3. Edward M. Kennedy (D-MA) Nov 7, 1962 to present 46 years, 2 months, 14 days 4. Daniel K. Inouye (D-HI) Jan 3, 1963 to present 46 years, 19 days 5. Carl T. Hayden (D-AZ) Mar 4, 1927 to Jan 3, 1969 41 years, 9 months, 30 days 6. John Stennis (D-MS) Nov 5, 1947 to Jan 3, 1989 41 years, 1 month, 29 days 7. Ted Stevens (R-AK) Dec 24, 1968 to Jan 3, 2009 40 years, 10 days 8. Ernest F. Hollings (D-SC) Nov 9, 1966 to Jan 3, 2005 38 years, 1 month, 25 days 9. Richard B. Russell (D-GA) Jan 12, 1933 to Jan 21, 1971 38 years, 9 days 10. Russell Long (D-LA) Dec 31, 1948 to Jan 3, 1987 38 years, 3 days At least 1 out of 10 has been on trial for corruption..... IP: Logged | |