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venusdeindia
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posted March 06, 2009 01:57 AM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Came in an email

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The First Time I
Heard Of Barack
By Tom Fife
11-20-8
During the period of roughly February 1992 to mid 1994, I was making frequent trips to Moscow, Russia, in the process of starting a software development joint-venture company with some people from the Russian scientific community. One of the men in charge on the Russian side was named V. M.; he had a wife named T.M.

V. was a level-headed scientist while his wife was rather deeply committed to the losing Communist cause - a cause she obviously was not abandoning.

One evening, during a trip early in 1992, the American half of our venture were invited to V. & T.'s Moscow flat as we were about to return to the States. The party went well and we had the normal dinner discussions.

As the evening wore on, T. developed a decidedly rough anti-American edge - one her husband tried to quietly rein in.

The bottom line of the tirade she started against the United States went something like this:

"You Americans always like to think that you have the perfect government and your people are always so perfect. Well then, why haven't you had a woman president by now? You had a chance to vote for a woman vice-president and you didn't do it."

The general response went something along the lines that you don't vote for someone just because of their sex. Besides, you don't vote for vice-president, but the president and vice-president as a ticket.

"Well, I think you are going to be surprised when you get a black president very soon."

The consensus we expressed was that we didn't think there was anything innately barring that. The right person at the right time and sure, America would try to vote for the right person, be he or she black or not.

"What if I told you that you will have a black president very soon and he will be a Communist?"

The out-of-the-blue remark was met by our stares. She continued, "Well, you will; and he will be a Communist."

It was then that the husband unsuccessfully tried to change the subject; but she was on a roll and would have nothing of it. One of us asked, "It sounds like you know something we don't know."

"Yes, it is true. This is not some idle talk. He is already born and he is educated and being groomed to be president right now. You will be impressed to know that he has gone to the best schools of Presidents. He is what you call "Ivy League". You don't believe me, but he is real and I even know his name. His name is Barack. His mother is white and American and his father is black from Africa. That's right, a chocolate baby! And he's going to be your President."

She became more and more smug as she presented her stream of detailed knowledge and predictions so matter-of-factly - as though all were foregone conclusions. "It's all been thought out. His father is not an American black so he won't have that social slave stigma. He is intelligent and he is half white and has been raised from the cradle to be an atheist and a Communist. He's gone to the finest schools. He is being guided every step of the way and he will be irresistible to America."

We sat there not knowing what to say. She was obviously very happy that the Communists were doing this and that it would somehow be a thumbing of their collective noses at America: they would give us a black president and he'd be a Communist to boot. She made it quite obvious that she thought that this was going to breathe new life into world Communism. From this and other conversations with her, she always asserted that Communism was far from dead.

She was full of little details about him that she was eager to relate. I thought that maybe she was trying to show off that this truly was a real person and not just hot air.

She rattled off a complete litany. He was from Hawaii. He went to school in California. He lived in Chicago. He was soon to be elected to the legislature. "Have no doubt: he is one of us, a Soviet."

At one point, she related some sort of San Francisco connection, but I didn't understand what the point was and don't recall much about that. I was just left with the notion that she considered the city to be some sort of a center for their activity here.

Since I had dabbled in languages, I knew a smattering of Arabic. I made a comment: "If I remember correctly, 'Barack' comes from the Arabic word for 'Blessing.' That seems to be an odd name for an American." She replied quickly, "Yes. It is 'African'", she insisted, "and he will be a blessing for world Communism. We will regain our strength and become the number one power in the world."

She continued with something to the effect that America was at the same time the great hope and the great obstacle for Communism. America would have to be converted to Communism and Barack was going to pave the way.

So, what does this conversation from 1992 prove?

Well, it's definitely anecdotal. It doesn't prove that Obama has had Soviet Communist training nor that he was groomed to be the first black American president, but it does show one thing that I think is very important. It shows that Soviet Russian Communists knew of Barack from a very early date. It also shows that they truly believed among themselves that he was raised and groomed Communist to pave the way for their future. This report on Barack came personally to me from one of them long before America knew he existed.

Although I had never before heard of him, at the time of this conversation Obama was 30+ years old and was obviously tested enough that he was their anticipated rising star.



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posted March 06, 2009 04:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dervish     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I don't know which is more amazing about this, that such a remarkable conversation wasn't shared back when it happened, that a Russian would think the USA would vote in someone biracial (and black), especially given the year that they'd have chosen Obama, or that a Russian thought was likely to think it would be a sign of progress to have a woman as a POTUS or even VP (especially given the lack of powerful women in Soviet Russia's nomenklatura)...it's all so weird.

Ah well, Obama seemed to fail the atheist training, given that he praises his Christian beliefs in...dang, I keep forgetting what it's called, but one of his autobiographies. Not to mention going to that church in Chicago. And if he's acting as a Communist, well so far it's hard to tell him from all the other politicians, legislatively speaking (Granted, the John Birch Society would probably agree with me on that but consider that irrelevant--but in this case, a Communist mole being elected is also irrelevant.)

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posted March 06, 2009 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
if this were real why did it not come out in 2008? are we doing a LITTLE BIT of scaremongering here? do you not know that those who cling to the divisive past - and i'm not talking politics here, but metaphysics - are going down with it??

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None of what Tom Fife said is beyond the realm of possibility VDI.

O'Bomber could well be a Soviet Union..Communist plant. Even Tom Brokaw said "we really know little about Barack Obama" and that's true.

We know little about O'Bomber because he's taken extraordinary steps to keep his birth records sealed, keep his university records sealed and have his passport records sanitized. Not one scrap of his university writings have surfaced. Not one scrap of his legal opinions from the time he was President of the Harvard Law Review have surfaced. We don't even know, for instance, if O'Bomber was granted admission to Occidental and Harvard as a foreign student. It's as though O'Bomber suddenly appeared on the scene with no supporting history which can be checked. O'Bomber has spent millions obstructing every attempt to force the vault copy of his actual birth certificate being made public. Instead, he's posted a "Certification of Live Birth". This is meaningless and only attests to the fact he exists. For instance, in Hawaii at the time of his supposed birth there, it was possible to obtain a "Certification of Live Birth" for babies not born in Hawaii or any place else in the United States. Foreign births could be registered there by a "Certification of Live Birth". However, a "Certification of Live Birth" is quite different from a "Birth Certificate" in that a Birth Certificate lists the hospital, doctor etc and a "Certification of Live Birth" does not.

There was a special city in the old Soviet Union were penetration agents were trained in American customs, traditions, American money, driving American cars and all the rest agents would need to infiltrate the US and pose as US citizens. This construct looked like the typical American city, was staffed with knowledgeable KGB personnel and the city itself replicated a typical American city right down to storefronts, supposed shop owners, pedestrians and the whole nine yards. Only American English was spoken there and only American money was used there for training purposes. Of course, this city was totally off limits to Soviet citizens and didn't exist on any map of the old Soviet Union.

"Illegals

Illegals are foreign agents who enter the United States using forged documents and establish themselves as citizens. Little by little, more documentation is established such as driver's licenses, birth certificates, and credit cards. They find jobs to obtain more credentials for future references as bonafide citizens. They may come from the U.S. originally, move to other countries, and eventually wind up in a soviet nation. Usually, they are trained in a spy school in Moscow. Once inside the target country, they spend quite some time establishing themselves - and then often they sit and wait until an occasion arises requiring the use of their services. Illegals entered the U.S. via the Soviet trawlers, submarines, Canada, or Mexico. They were usually handled by KGB Department S which was usually involved only with espionage. Other illegals were handled by Department V which controlled "wet affairs" such as assassinations, terrorism, sabotage, etc.

The illegals trained at the spy schools learned to act like Americans from American movies. They learned English and correct accents from people who lived here - some having degrees from American schools. [One English instructor had her degree from Columbia University.] They bought their clothes from "American" department stores located in "American" cities in the Soviet Union where they lived until they are deemed ready to go to real American cities. They were given backgrounds which they had to memorize in detail using photographs of their alleged places of prior employment, the cities in which they were supposed to have lived, etc. They are usually very eager to finally enter the United States.

In the United States, they were paid by United Nations officials and Soviet diplomatic personnel via "drops" where cash was found in small magnetic boxes placed where they were nearly invisible. Instructions were provided by unpostmarked letters found in the same boxes. Drop points were semi-remote utility poles, underpinnings of bridges, etc.

Illegals had a tendency to become Americans which was far better than having to live in the Soviet Union. This tendency was offset for many years by family ties in the Soviet Union, a sense of honor to their sponsoring nation, and a sentimental attachment to that same nation. However, when such feelings were exhausted, there was the threat of harm coming to their Soviet friends and relatives should they fail to perform when asked.

Illegals were sometimes used as recruiters and handlers of agents in the United States. Other times they were used to plant explosives at key points such as power stations where, in case of war or for other purposes, the explosives could be used almost at one time to disable the target nation. In some cases, they were used as assassins with James Bond types of devices and means of creating simulated heart attacks or strokes. As a rule, they assassinated in such a way that the death was either accidental or some type of "health failure"."

Given the facts of the history of O'Bomber that we do know, it's not all that difficult to form an opinion that O'Bomber is a plant. First, his association with Frank Marshall Davis, a member of the Communist Party USA to whom he was introduced at an early age by his grandfather as a political mentor. Second, the care his grandparents displayed in the education of his mother. The family moved to Washington state and she was enrolled in a school there which catered to Socialist teachers. All of O'Bomber's associates and friends are Communists and Socialists and his appointments read like a who's who of one world Socialist government types.

To think, O'Bomber could put all this to rest by simply having the state of Hawaii release the vault copy of his actual "Birth Certificate". But, perhaps he's not had the chance or has been refused in having his birth records there "sanitized". What is true is that he's resisted every effort to have that and other records made public.

Imagine that, the man coveting the most visible job on planet earth insists on his right to "privacy". That's a real stunner.
http://www.softcom.net/users/greebo/kgbcon.htm

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posted March 09, 2009 02:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well obviously its because he is an alien, and i don't mean earthborn...are we advocating invasion of privacy now? i thought it was lack thereof that was so scary?

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posted March 09, 2009 03:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I hadn't considered that O'Bomber might be a "space alien". I should have thought of that all on my own...since Bush was accused of being a shape shifting reptilian space alien....among other things.

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posted March 09, 2009 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for katatonic     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
well david icke has already run that one so too late!

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i thought there was something about his ears looked funny to me.

you know, what is really a tough tonic to swollow is a lot of what jwhop is saying has merit.

things will unfold, the masses will be enlightened, and chaos will ensue like never before in history.

that is scary. and predicted.

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yes things will unfold. whether the predictions are on the beam or not remains to be seen..as is the way with predictions.

i wonder why, with remote viewing, incarnate spies are needed to pose as americans...and if they are i am sure we do or did the same thing over there. and if you think remote viewers are fictional, i know one, retired that is...

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posted March 09, 2009 04:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Careful sunshine_lion. They'll throw you out of the O'Bomber echo chamber if you're not careful.


"well david icke has already run that one so too late!..K"
I'm not the one who brought up "space aliens" here katatonic. Remember?

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no kat, i don't think for one minute it is fictional.

there are many thing we do not know, or are not suppoosed to know.

in the late 60's (and I know this to be true)
they took men that got malaria in viet nam, quaanteened them in the phillipines and fed them large doses of LSD (from CIA)with subliminal messages playing over and over in thier ears for long periods of time.

they came back crazy and thier goverment turned thier backs on them, until they pretty much became homeless, committed suicide and various other scenarios of dubious endings. they nor thier families were compensated in any way, nor acknowledged in any way.

the manchurian candidate doesn't even come close.

there are many such things that we do not know about that happen, have happened, and are happening. to say anything isn't possible, just isn't wise. especailly when it comes to the knowledge and secrets and going on's of those that hold the power.

JWHOP - i never was a card carrtyng member anyway. it pays to keep your eyes open.

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I think Obama should respect our privacy to the point that the ACLU is pleased with him (so far they are not), or he needs to stop protecting his own. What he's doing now smacks not only of hypocrisy but also elitism.

Given Obama's voting record, he thinks that if you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to fear. Well let's see him live by that philosophy then...if he's done nothing wrong, then release the records. Or are some people "more equal than others"?

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well i guess i am not expressing myself very well. the crack about being too late was meant to lighten the atmosphere...and in any case, david icke has so labelled pretty much anyone who has any power in this world...he seems to forget that we are ALL by his reckoning descended from the reptilians!

but i caution people to remember the power of YOUR words to CREATE the future. do you really want to bring what you fear most upon you? the future is unwritten, and the best psychic can only see PROBABLE futures. the power to change them IS within you.

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well said katatonic, two major thumbs up and three right on's

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"...if he's done nothing wrong, then release the records."

Agreed Dervish. The man who sought and holds the most public job on the planet cannot hide behind "privacy" in his records. Especially when those records would reveal whether or not O'Bomber is even Constitutionally qualified to hold the office he sought.

sunshine_lion, various experiments were performed on unsuspecting service personnel using drugs. I remember reading the testimony from Congressional hearings.

However, those experiments were not performed by space aliens attempting to determine the effects of various chemical compounds on humans.

Human bio-chemistry is no secret on Fdelgelhdec. We've studied the subject for centuries. Before my father Mprthenr put me on a ftliggter ship and sent me to Earth as an observer, he gave me a brief refresher course in human bio-chemistry.

I have to laugh when I hear talk about shape shifting reptilian space aliens. David Icky is all wet. There are no shape shifting space aliens, reptilian or otherwise, at least not in this galaxy. We look just like you.

I also have to laugh about programs like SETI and other programs designed to contact aliens. All that money and for what? A telephone would be better; cheaper too!

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posted April 04, 2012 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I nominate that as Jwhop's silliest post.

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posted May 19, 2012 01:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Randall     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There should be no privacy in the highest office of the land.

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David Icky...lol.

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no secret on Fdelgelhdec

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