posted July 05, 2009 12:50 PM            

Further, No One Said Anything At All About
Government Interference With the Canceled Event...Except You

Refresh my memory here katatonic and post some pictures I posted of O'Bomber dressed as Hitler or as Satan. Could you please do that for me katatonic...just to refresh my memory?

Just for your information, peaceful assemblies are already being broken up and people arrested. So, the government under O'Bomber is already acting like the 1st Amendment doesn't exist.

Separation of Church and State exists no where in the US Constitution.

If you want to contest this then you can post the part of the Constitution or any Amendment thereto which says "Separation of Church and State.

There was no and is no religious tradition which is contrary to the US Constitution.

The 1st Amendment simply says.."Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion".

People who actually know what the Constitution says know that means the Congress shall not establish a State sponsored religion nor show preference to one religion over another.

Business people who break the law should be indicted, tried, convicted and imprisoned...as the Bush Justice Department did...and otherwise, government should stay the hell out of the private sector.

These lamebrain, chair warming, bloviating congressional members couldn't even run their own Post Office, couldn't even run their own Bank and couldn't even run their own congressional dining rooms...which all had to be shut down..or in the case of the congressional dining rooms, turned over to private contractor(s)to run.

You can do your part in reforming business practices...BY NOT DOING BUSINESS WITH THOSE OF WHOM YOU DISAPPROVE AND NOT WORKING FOR THEM EITHER.

How's that katatonic? That's the American Way of free will and free association..and all without government interference in something they know nothing about...as they have proved over and over.

As for O'Bomber's private army of thugs with badges and guns..ala the Gestopo, he's trying hard to get that off the ground.

Now katatonic you can deny O'Bomber said what he said, but I posted the video of O'Bomber saying exactly what I said he said..."We cannot continue to rely only on our military to achieve the national security objectives we've set. We've got to have a national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."

posted July 05, 2009 03:46 PM            

as for pictures of obama dressed as hitler, no you have not perpetrated that exact same scenario. you have just called him the new hitler, compared his campaign signs with hitler's, ad nauseam. isn't this thread called "SEIG HEIL COMRADES?" along with 3rd grade-level twisting of the names of everyone from the president to the democratic party to anyone you don't like. which is annoying if harmless.

"Further, No One Said Anything At All About
Government Interference With the Canceled Event...Except You"

i have asked for a source or even a name of the anonymous "arm twister" funder of the democratic party..to no avail as usual. if you don't think that is an allegation of govt interference with the tea party what DO you call it? just a bunch of accusations from miffed tea partiers whose venue was cancelled by a private owner who chose not to do business
with them?

"There was no and is no religious tradition which is contrary to the US Constitution.

The 1st Amendment simply says.."Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion".

People who actually know what the Constitution says know that means the Congress shall not establish a State sponsored religion nor show preference to one religion over another."

exactly. i never said there was antipathy for any religion in the constitution. i said it does not support any particular religion, christian or otherwise. and congress is not allowed to have any say in religious matters. this separates church from state as opposed to other places where church and state are intertwined.

i am sorry to hear peaceful assemblies are being broken up and people arrested. where and when?

is this different from the peaceful demonstration i attended in c1964 where a friend of mine sustained head injuries from police truncheon? or the lovely scenes in selma about the same time? what distinguishes this administration in that frame of reference?

a couple of years ago being muslim and having someone point a finger at you could get you arrested.

edit: for one last time, because i will not be arguing anymore, my argument with you is not about big or little government. it is mostly about the way you go about it, like a 7 year old. when i ask for clarification you call me an apologist.

so in the american tradition, i choose not to "do business" with you anymore. we are all in this together and fighting amongst ourselves is exactly how the government gets the upper hand. so since asking questions and questioning your biasses is perceived as a fight and a threat...i will not engage you again. good luck with your schtick. may we all move forward into a better life.

but remember

"FIRST THEY CAME FOR THE JEWS AND I DID NOT SPEAK OUT BECAUSE I WAS NOT A JEW. THEN THEY CAME FOR THE COMMUNISTS AND I DID NOT SPEAK OUT BECAUSE I WAS NOT A COMMUNIST. THEN THEY CAME FOR THE TRADE UNIONISTS AND I DID NOT SPEAK OUT BECAUSE I WAS NOT A TRADE UNIONIST. THEN THEY CAME FOR ME AND THERE WAS NO ONE LEFT TO SPEAK OUT FOR ME."

posted August 01, 2009 11:18 AM            

There is no need to over analyze the motives of Socialists in the upper echelons of the Socialist movement.

Their motives are apparent. It's power they crave, pure unbridled power over the lives of their fellow citizens and not for any idealistic purpose.

It's only the "useful idiots" of socialism who are the mushrooms...those kept in the dark and fed a steady diet of bullshiiit who believe the end game of socialism is to be found in their jingoistic slogans.

Slogans like "world peace", "save the world", "social justice", "economic justice", "liberty, fraternity and equality" and the rest of the bullshiit socialists thirsting for ultimate power over others constantly spew.

It never occurs to the "useful idiots of socialism...the "mushroom set" to walk their minds back in the history of the world and find even one (1) nation which fell under socialist domination where this so called idealism prevailed.

Instead, you will find mass murder, genocide, privation, no social or economic justice, no equality and no liberty or freedom. Not even freedom of thought...because what you think will at some point slip out from between your teeth in an unguarded moment and then...they would and did declare you an enemy of the state and kill you.

Hitler and Mussolini were both socialists. The "mushroom set" have attempted to run away from that reality for more than 50 years. They've gone so far as to declare Hitler a "right wing dictator" but in the real world, Hitler and Mussolini were both committed socialists..leftists....and they said they were.

There are some socialists who have gone so far as to say they won't believe that... unless Hitler personally whispered in their ears that he was a socialist. So much for the "mushy-roomy-rums".

There are others who say..."that could never happen here".

It's a though they believe Lenin, Stalin and Mao came to power promising to kill 200,000,000 of THEM; promising genocide against some races, promising to kill university professors, promising to kill the shop keepers and promising to kill everyone who disagreed with them. And that doesn't even include the millions Hitler deliberately murdered and those weren't only Jews.

Such is the mindset of the "useful idiot mushroom set".

Now, what's hysterical is that the "useful idiots" don't realize that when they've managed to bring about their "utopian socialist revolution", they're the very first to be killed.

Just ask the "useful idiots" who brought Castro to power and then started asking..."hey, what happened to our glorious revolution"?

Oh wait, you can't ask them because Castro had them executed by firing squads.

August 01, 2009
The End Game of the Left
By Andrew Thomas

Within the world of the far left, individuals have no value. Only the state matters. That is why the modern American statist devalues individual achievement and wealth. If, as in the socialist world of Marx, Engels, and Adolf Hitler (yes, Hitler, as I will explain later), God does not exist and humans have no souls, then the state determines the value of a human life. This philosophy leads to an ominous conclusion.

In my never-ending quest to understand the statist mind, I have attempted to use the principles of objective observation, or phenomenology, to analyze their intentions based on their behavior. Statists, it appears, have two proclivities: One, they are perpetually unhappy and dissatisfied with the current political and social environment, no matter what it happens to be. Two, they are viscerally angry at whoever stands in their way to the next level of progressive utopia. They do not tolerate alternate points of view. An objective individual might classify this behavior as classic immaturity. But there is much more darkness to the statist soul than mere boorish behavior.

The seemingly endless downward spiral into Dante's seventh level of socialist utopia was made into a movie back in 1968, aptly titled "Wild in the Streets". It was a pretty cheesy flick, but one particular scene left a lasting impression on me. This was where the radical leftist youths who took control of the government sent the old folks off to national concentration camps and forced them to drink from water coolers filled with Kool-Aid laced with LSD. For some reason, this image keeps popping into my head whenever I hear about ObamaCare. At the end of the movie, there is a foreshadowing that an even younger and more radical regime is about to overthrow the radical leftists in power. On and on it goes, with Dante's infernal utopia never quite achieved.

Concessions to the fantastic demands of statists lead to more dissatisfaction and anger, and increasingly fantastic demands. This is similar to the strategy of the radical Islamists living in Western countries. In fact, you can phenomenologically observe many attitude similarities between the statist and Islamist. Intolerance of divergent opinions, hatred toward "non-believers", the obsession to dominate and control every aspect of others' lives, and a dogmatic attitude guided by emotion rather than logic, are some examples. Of course, Islamists are just statists with a state religion. To the Islamist, the end game for the Infidel is conversion or death.

The statist philosophy, whether Islamic or otherwise, appears to condone and even embrace the concept of eliminating the members of the opposition by murdering them. While the left projects hatred, racism, and evil on the conservative end of the spectrum, it is they who actually exhibit these attributes. As New York University professor George Watson states in his book, "The Lost Literature of Socialism":

"But it was the issue of race, above all, that for half a century has prevented National Socialism (the Nazi party) from being seen as socialist. The assumption that socialism was never racist can now be seen as a misunderstanding.

The proletariat may have no fatherland, as Lenin said. But there were still, in Marx view, races that would have to be exterminated. That is a view he published in January-February 1849 in an article by Engels called "The Hungarian Struggle" in Marx journal the Neue Rheinische Zeitung, and the point was recalled by socialists down to the rise of Hitler. It is now becoming possible to believe that Auschwitz was socialist-inspired. The Marxist theory of history required and demanded genocide for reasons implicit in its claim that feudalism, which in advanced nations was already giving place to capitalism, must in turn be superseded by socialism. Entire races would be left behind after a workers' revolution, feudal remnants in a socialist age; and since they could not advance two steps at a time, they would have to be killed. They were racial trash, as Engels called them, and fit only for the dung-heap of history.

Watson continues:

Socialism offered a blank check to violence, and its license to kill included genocide. In 1933, in a preface to On the Rocks, for example, Bernard Shaw publicly welcomed the exterminatory which, to his profound satisfaction, the Soviet Union had already adopted. Socialists could now take pride in a state that had at last found the courage to act, though some still felt that such action should be kept a secret. In 1932 Beatrice Webb remarked at a tea-party what "very bad stage management" it had been to allow a party of British visitors in the Ukraine to see cattle-trucks full of starving "enemies of the state" at a local station.

But after all, nothing like this could happen in America, right? Obama's building up of ACORN community organizers and the AmeriCorps civilian army with billions of dollars from the Stimulus couldn't be used against its own citizens, could it? His statement that "We've got to have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded (as the military)" doesn't scare you, does it? Read the following transcript from the testimony of Larry Grathwohl, an FBI informant who infiltrated a 1970 meeting conducted by Obama's close friend (and probable ghost-writer) William Ayers and included the leadership of the socialist Weather Underground.

I brought up the subject of what's going to happen after we take over the government. You know, we become responsible for administrating, you know, 250 million people. And there was no answer. No one had given any thought to economics. How are you going to clothe and feed these people? The only thing that I could get was that they expected that the Cubans, the North Vietnamese, the Chinese and the Russians would all want to occupy different portions of the United States. They also believed that their immediate responsibility would be to protect against what they called the counter-revolution. And they felt that this counter-revolution could best be guarded against by creating and establishing re-education in the Southwest where we would take all of the people who needed to be re‑educated into the new way of thinking and teach them how things were going to be. I asked, "Well, what is going to happen to those people that we can't re‑educate, that are die-hard capitalists?" And the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated and when I pursued this further, they estimated that they'd have to eliminate 25 million people in these re‑education centers. And when I say eliminate, I mean kill 25 million people. I want you to imagine sitting in a room with 25 people, most of whom have graduate degrees from Columbia and other well-known educational centers and hear them figuring out the logistics for the elimination of 25 million people and they were dead serious.

The end game of the left is the abortion and eugenic elimination of the "undesirables", the euthanasia of the old and infirm, and the genocide of those who disagree. Its objective is the purity of socialist thought. And it is pure evil.

posted August 01, 2009 02:51 PM            

two peas in the same pod.

capitalism has forgotten "noblesse oblige" and expects the lower classes to just lump it.

posted August 01, 2009 03:39 PM            

You do have something against free markets and Capitalism in particular.

You believe...as O'Bomber says he does that Capitalism is evil, an evil plot to suppress and oppress working people.

That's bullshiit of course.

The difference between Socialism and Capitalism is that YOU can choose from whom you buy and for whom you work. Under Socialism they make those choices for you by limiting your options...as O'Bomber and his Socialist buds in Congress are attempting to do with O'BomberCare. If they get their way, there will only be one source for health insurance, government Socialist health insurance. Barney Frank already admitted it.

What Socialists fail to learn is that with a Capitalist system...the Consumer and employees are in charge...of what they buy.. how much they pay, where they work and how much they get paid.

posted April 21, 2011 09:39 PM            

But whatever, whatever, blah, blah, blah.

Obama's propaganda platoon shows up at my door, they're going to hear some expletives they won't be able to delete.