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Topic: Bow Wow, O'Bomber Didn't Bow
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jwhop
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posted April 11, 2009 11:06 AM
  
According to sputtering Administration sources, O'Bomber wasn't bowing to the Saudi King. He was attempting to get his head low enough to look the King in the eyes.Alternatively, O'Bomber was checking out the King's Platinum belt buckle, checking out the King's Crocodile sandals, checking out the ring on the King's finger, checking out the crease in the King's trousers...whoops, the King was wearing a robe. Well, I know there's an explanation in there somewhere which would account for O'Bomber being folded over at the waist at a 90* angle in front of the King of Saudi Arabia. Perhaps O'Bomber was in the throes of a painful gas attack. I know there must be another explanation because Americans don't bow to royalty and especially American Presidents don't bow before royalty.
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katatonic
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posted April 11, 2009 12:25 PM
when in rome....another petty little point being given more space than its worth because, well, it matches its authors.IP: Logged |
jwhop
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posted April 11, 2009 01:15 PM
To my knowledge, no American President has ever bowed before royalty in American history.How servile for a president elected by the people of the United States to bow before a king who owes his position to an accident of birth. I'm not all that surprised to see O'Bomber bow however since O'Bomber has that "accidental American" attitude which infects leftists. But, that doesn't account for the lying going on in O'Bomber's administration that he didn't bow before the King of Saudi Arabia...when he very clearly did bow.
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praecipua
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posted April 12, 2009 10:53 AM
to bow before a king is a mark of respect, because the king is the representative of its people."How servile for a president elected by the people of the United States to bow before a king who owes his position to an accident of birth" i think he owes it to western countries more than anything IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted April 12, 2009 12:25 PM
He bowed.  President Obama is a representative of the American people, the American government, and the American Constitution. WE DO NOT BOW TO KINGS. This is in absolute contradiction to the beliefs which inspired our birth, the unique vision (yes, you read that correctly. I said unique) upon which our country was founded. Who is this man and what the hell is the SOB thinking????Was it not enough that the Bush family had to kiss Saudi asss? Now we're making it official? IP: Logged |
praecipua
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posted April 12, 2009 12:43 PM
if you don't respect others, why on earth would they reciprocate????for your pleasure???????????? i don't think so IP: Logged |
praecipua
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posted April 12, 2009 12:46 PM
well u can always bomb those who don't reciprocate to your pleasure, but that makes the great USA an imperialist and not so democratic country.paradox possible only because you DO NOT BOW TO KINGS. IP: Logged |
praecipua
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posted April 12, 2009 01:04 PM
now TINK u can eat your anger IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted April 12, 2009 02:16 PM
I can respect something without bowing to it, praecipua. He can bow and wimper and slobber till kingdom come, Saudi royalty won't respect Obama. He's capitulated in a most public and obvious way. Yeah, that earns respect.  IP: Logged |
Node
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posted April 12, 2009 03:00 PM
GOP Bloggers were all over this one- displacing the 'Queen' incident [the Queen touched first  ] Tried to find exact Diplomatic Protocol for the President, only finding Ambassadorship, etc. But any way, most of those bloggers including the GU Floridian Thinkers fav, they don't know for sure either. This one from an alternate source sums up my feeling quite well First is was uproar about Michelle Obama's embrace with the Queen of England, now it's Barrack Obama's apparent bow to the King of Saudi Arabia. (1) Of course, our President bows to no one. Our First Lady touches no one. Everyone from the right wing blogsphere to the RNC campaign committee has been all over this making wild claims of how the Obama's have no sense of decorum, no idea of protocol, and again, therefore, are no match for the positions they hold in the world stage. The irony of this is, of course, that our most recent president was viewed of late as being aloof, ignored, and present but mentally absent in meetings with world leaders. Look, when Obama starts getting shoes tossed at him by reporters in countries we supposedly liberated from their oppressors, let me know. Then and only then will I see any of this as nothing more than hogwash. It's a smokescreen whipped up into a frenzy by a sagging and sad Republican party that, due to a lack of substance and ideas, has decided to rely on possible gaffes in international relations as a source of concern. They don't seem to notice that, so far, no one has already compiled a year's worth of "Bushisms a Day" calendar by week 9 of Obama's presidency. Get a life people. Don't we have more important things about which to worry from=>http://www.rantrave.com/Rant/GOP-Idea-Smoke-Screen-Obama-Protocol.aspx IP: Logged |
Eleanore
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posted April 12, 2009 07:43 PM
Not glad that he bowed but they could easily have played it off due to his inexperience. Most people would buy that. But they lied about it. That sticks in my craw. The excuse they gave was that the Saudi King is so much shorter than Obama.Um, Queen Elizabeth is what? 5'4"? I didn't see him bowing, I mean reaching down so low he had to bend at the waist, to greet her. Living in Japan, I also have learned to bow when appropriate. But you know they actually find it insulting if a foreigner does the full bow? A head nod/slight bow is what is considered appropriate for me. And, uh, I'm definitely not the President.
Rulers of nations are supposed to be at least EQUAL in status. Do all Kings bow to all other Kings?
Perhaps what really happened was that there was a teleprompter on the floor? 
Regardless, it is part of OUR TRADITION that no US President bows to any royalty. Why don't our traditions matter; why do we have to compromise our traditions to appease others? If respect worked both ways then it would actually work ... both ... ways.
Again, I really don't think this would have been too big a deal if they just hadn't lied about it. People make mistakes. Admit them, move on. Most people are forgiving.
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TINK
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posted April 12, 2009 08:42 PM
Funny how the left wing was so up in arms about Bush handing out smooches to the Saudi royals though. hmmmI'm not a Republican. I'm an American and I'm familiar with such obscure, outdated and otherwise pesky little things such as the US Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and various other cornerstones of American philosophical values. Bowing was bad enough. Tap dancing around the fact that you bowed with weak, sniveling excuses is worse. The Saudis understand protocol and they understand power. They are smart and devious and brutal and I have no doubt they're laughing their royal assess off about this.
BTW node, I have a big brain and it's capable of worrying about many diverse topics simultaneously.
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Mannu
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posted April 12, 2009 11:15 PM
Well, I am glad to learn a Leo can bend over forward (in front of a person LOL) -- an easy hope for a bleak American Economy.Or is he saying sorry to 'Islam'? I doubt that he is thinking that he is carrying American on his shoulders, all the time. It will be so boring if its true for any politician and statesmen. IP: Logged |
Mannu
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posted April 12, 2009 11:15 PM
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Mannu
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posted April 12, 2009 11:15 PM
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jwhop
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posted April 14, 2009 10:00 AM
TINK and Eleanore are right. No American and most certainly no American President should ever bow before royalty.Bowing is not merely a sign of respect. Bowing is a sign of submission; as a subject to a sovereign ruler. Strangely, the NY Times is silent on this subject now. But when Bill Clinton merely clasped his hands and inclined his head towards the Emperor of Japan in the early 1990's..'93' or '94', the NY Times was outraged. There is simply no excuse possible for an American President to execute a full bow before any foreign leader, King or not. The US State Department has now and has always had a protocol department to advise the President and others on proper protocol when interacting with foreign dignitaries.
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katatonic
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posted April 14, 2009 11:27 AM
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jwhop
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posted April 14, 2009 11:56 AM
You'll make a perfect little slave katatonic.IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted April 14, 2009 12:25 PM
Jwhop  - I'm sure that at least you're aware of the law prohibiting our flag from being dipped in front of any dignitary. We won't lower the flag to a royal host at the damn Olympics, and yet its ok for the President to bow in front of - of all people! - a representative of such a thoroughly tyrannical and fanatical government?astonishing. *shrugs* but, you know, whatever. IP: Logged |
TINK
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posted April 14, 2009 12:27 PM
and could someone jostle Kat awake, please?  IP: Logged |
praecipua
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posted April 14, 2009 12:35 PM
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Regardless, it is part of OUR TRADITION that no US President bows to any royalty. Why don't our traditions matter; why do we have to compromise our traditions to appease others? If respect worked both ways then it would actually work ... both ... ways
because u bomb other countries for your convenience, without anyone able to oppose u.
u never respected other countries. u have to start somwhere and bowing isn't the hardest way of swallowing a pride that kills thousands. and here i talk to those who believe they represent the real USA, those nationalist among u, what u call patriot but are in fact only nationalists verging on racism. france bombed other countries of course, and might do... but the population doesn't want war anymore. the politicians in france are so far away in their ivory tower that they might decide to rule the world through weapons but the people doesn't want this solution. its time the US catch up. there will always be politicians to steer up crap between nations. population should look at their best interest and if u think killing innocent from your country and from the "opponent" is right because it suits a few people in suit that will never be hurt themselves then the world will never be at peace. IP: Logged |
praecipua
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posted April 14, 2009 12:46 PM
my point goes back to node's point, before to worry about a bow, u could worry about civilians directly killed by the US armythat should keep u awake for a while, then may be u'll remember the bowing incident... my opinion, now you can insult me for having different views.... or better, send the GI's to my house. IP: Logged |
praecipua
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posted April 14, 2009 12:54 PM
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They are smart and devious and brutal and I have no doubt they're laughing their royal assess off about this.
and they are still in place only because of the US policy towards them. without US backing, many other faction would have seized power but is this in the US best interest? (and western world for that matter, including france) hummmmm, not sure. but oh god, i forgot, the US policies are above other countries, they are based on a philantropic, universalist and enlightened philosophy, not opportunism... yeah right! IP: Logged |
katatonic
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posted April 14, 2009 01:06 PM
since our presidents have been sticking their feet in their mouths protocol-wise since - ? - i consider this a non-issue raised by fox media to an inane level. personally, I bow to no one. if the president wants to be dramatic in his politeness then that's his business. IP: Logged |
NosiS
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posted April 14, 2009 01:08 PM
Frankly, katatonic,Seeing as he represents an entire country,
I'll take it as all of our businesses.  IP: Logged |
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