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Topic: Kabir: The Mystic Poet
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juniperb Knowflake Posts: 6383 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Mar 2002
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posted August 08, 2007 03:37 PM
I would like to leave one for my younger sister who unexpectedly passed over March this year. Where Do You Search Me?
Where do you search me? I am with you Not in pilgrimage, nor in icons Neither in solitudes Not in temples, nor in mosques Neither in Kaba nor in Kailash I am with you o man I am with you Not in prayers, nor in meditation Neither in fasting Not in yogic exercises Neither in renunciation Neither in the vital force nor in the body Not even in the ethereal space Neither in the womb of Nature Not in the breath of the breath Seek earnestly and discover In but a moment of search Says Kabir, Listen with care Where your faith is, I am there.
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26taurus Knowflake Posts: 11463 From: Thee you of we Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 08, 2007 03:45 PM
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26taurus Knowflake Posts: 11463 From: Thee you of we Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 08, 2007 04:03 PM
while searching for a certain quote on "society" by osho, i ran across these talks on Kabir, by him:ecstasy the forgotten language chapter one now or never "This parable is beautiful. I call it a parable, I don't say it really happened, but it shows something. A man like Kabir has already disappeared. He is not in his body. He is in his inner flowering. His SAHASRAR, his one-thousand-petaled lotus, has flowered. You are in the body only to a certain extent. The body has a certain function to fulfill; the function is that of consciousness flowering. Once the consciousness has flowered, the body is nonexistential. It does not matter whether it exists or not. It is simply irrelevant. The parable is beautiful. When they removed the cover there were only a few flowers left. Kabir is a flowering. Only a few flowers were left. And the stupid disciples even then wouldn't understand. They divided the flowers. Remember one thing: all ideologies are dangerous. They divide people. You become a Hindu, you become a Mohammedan, you become a Jaina, a Christian: you are divided. All ideologies create conflict. All ideologies are violent. A real man of understanding has no ideology; then he is undivided, then he is one with the whole of humanity. Not only that, he is one with the whole of existence. A real man of understanding is a flowering. This flowering we will be discussing. These songs of Kabir are tremendously beautiful. He is a poet; he is not a philosopher. He has not created a system. He is not a theoretician or a theologian. He is not interested in doctrines, in scriptures. His whole interest is in how to flower and become a god. His whole effort is how to make you more loving, more alert. It is not a question of learning much. On the contrary, it is a question of unlearning much. In that way he is very rare. Buddha, Mahavir, Krishna, Ram, they are very special people. They were all kings, and they were well-educated, well-cultured. Kabir is a nobody, a man of the masses, very poor, very ordinary, with no education at all, with no culture. And that is his rarity. Why do I call it his rarity? Because to be ordinary in the world is the most extraordinary thing. He was very ordinary -- and he remained ordinary. The natural desire of the human mind is to become special -- to become special in the ways of the world, to have many degrees, to have much political power, to have money, wealth -- to be special. The mind is always ready to go on some ego trip. And if you are fed up with the world, then again the ego starts finding new ways and new means to enhance itself -- it becomes spiritual. You become a great mahatma, a great sage, a great scholar, a man of knowledge, a man of renunciation; again you are special. Unless the desire to be special disappears, you will never be special. Unless you relax into your ordinariness, you will never relax. The really spiritual person is one who is absolutely ordinary. Kabir is very normal. You would not have been able to find him in a crowd. His speciality is not outward. You cannot just find him by looking at his face. It is difficult. Buddha was special, a very beautiful man, a charismatic personality. Jesus is very special, throbbing with revolution, rebellion. But Kabir? Kabir is absolutely ordinary, a normal person. Remember, when I say normal, I don't mean the average. The average is not the normal. The average is only "normally" abnormal; he is "as mad" as all others are. In fact, in the world, normal persons don't exist. http://www.iosho.com/oBook/Ecstasy%20The%20Forgotten%20Language/chapter01.html
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MysticMelody Knowflake Posts: 2278 From: Registered: Dec 2005
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posted August 08, 2007 04:15 PM
This is the LindaLand I Love. This is our gathering of power and Light THIS is Home "Don't let it be forgot That once there was a spot For one brief shining moment that was known As Camelot."
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26taurus Knowflake Posts: 11463 From: Thee you of we Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 08, 2007 04:31 PM
Juni ~Mystic Silence From each, Love demands a mystic silence. What do all seek so earnestly? Tis Love. Love is the subject of their inmost thoughts, In Love no longer "Thou" and "I" exist, For self has passed away in the Beloved. Now will I draw aside the veil from Love, And in the temple of mine inmost soul Behold the Friend, Incomparable Love. He who would know the secret of both worlds Will find that the secret of them both is Love. - Attar Essential Sufism, by James Fadiman & Robert Frager,
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26taurus Knowflake Posts: 11463 From: Thee you of we Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 08, 2007 04:34 PM
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naiad Knowflake Posts: 1357 From: Registered: Sep 2006
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posted August 08, 2007 05:21 PM
you're a crazy cool cat Hsc.... IP: Logged |
juniperb Knowflake Posts: 6383 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Mar 2002
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posted August 08, 2007 05:39 PM
Lovely 26TSimply lovely ------------------ ~ What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~ - George Eliot IP: Logged |
juniperb Knowflake Posts: 6383 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Mar 2002
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posted August 08, 2007 05:55 PM
26T, Coincidently and recently, I was asked if I had studied Essential Sufism Have you had the opportunity study it ? ------------------ ~ What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~ - George Eliot IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 11463 From: Thee you of we Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 08, 2007 06:08 PM
Hi Juni, No, I have not studied it. The last time i was at the bookstore, i spent time flipping through it and almost bought it. Was thinking about going there tonight. Maybe i'll purchase it. Maybe this is your cue to pick it up!? IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 11463 From: Thee you of we Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 08, 2007 06:17 PM
I hear alot of the same chords in Sufism as i hear in the Vedantic religion; Hinduism, Yoga (what i have been focusing on lately). It's all such beautiful soul music. IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 11463 From: Thee you of we Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 08, 2007 06:22 PM
Could you recommend a good beginners book on Sufism?IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 11463 From: Thee you of we Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 08, 2007 08:24 PM
Essential Sufism might be a good one to start with... I just sent you an email to an old addy i had of yours, Juni. In case you dont receive it could you send me one when you have a moment, please? I put my addy up in my profile. Thank you! IP: Logged |
juniperb Knowflake Posts: 6383 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Mar 2002
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posted August 09, 2007 09:05 AM
26T Yes, you will hear the chords and melodys of the sufi`s timelessness through out the ages. Through out the Works of Mystics of each Faith, Philosophy or Religion. If you Know the language, it will sing to you Essential Sufism is an excellent choice, it is general and a very nice introduction. This holds true for most people and you have a clearer perspective than many so it should be an excellent platform to build on. Happy building and if you come across any questions, just ask. If I do not have the answer, I will seek it out for you!. ------------------ ~ What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world is immortal"~ - George Eliot IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 11463 From: Thee you of we Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 09, 2007 06:23 PM
Thank you juni . Timeless indeed!So, you have read the book! (..my ruling planet Venus is retrograde right now and it seems to be having the effect of Mercury rx on me for some reason. oy.) The offering of your guidance and wisdom is much appreciated. You are the person i will go to with questions that arise. Thank you so much. "Possessors of knowledge and seekers of knowledge are the only two groups of any use to humanity." - Muhammad IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 11463 From: Thee you of we Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 10, 2007 01:50 PM
...will get back to you later on, jun. IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 11463 From: Thee you of we Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 12, 2007 06:00 PM
"The sitting one is a shopkeeper, the standing one herds cows, the wakeful one is a watchman! Death grabbed and ate them all." ________________________________________________"Saints, I see the world is mad. If I tell the truth they rush to beat me, If I lie they trust me. I've seen the pious Hindus, rule-followers, early morning bath-takers -- killing souls, they worship rocks. They know nothing. I've seen plenty of Muslim teachers, holy men reading their holy books and teaching their pupils techniques. They know just as much. and posturing yogis, hypocrites, hearts crammed with pride, praying to brass, to stones, reeling with pride in their pilgrimage, fixing their caps and their prayer-beads, painting their brow-marks and arm-marks, braying their hymns and their couplets, reeling. They never heard of soul. The Hindu says Ram is the Beloved, the Turk says Rahim. Then they kill each other. No one knows the secret. They buzz their mantras from house to house, puffed with pride. The pupils drown along with their gurus. In the end they're sorry. Kabir says, listen saints! Whatever I say, nobody gets it. it's too simple." Kabir IP: Logged |
juniperb Knowflake Posts: 6383 From: Blue Star Kachina Registered: Mar 2002
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posted August 18, 2007 10:37 PM
The light of the sun, the moon, and the stars shines bright: The light of the sun, the moon, and the stars shines bright: The melody of love swells forth, and the rhythm of love's detachment beats the time. Day and night, the chorus of music fills the heavens; and Kabir says "My Beloved One gleams like the lightning flash in the sky."
Do you know how the moments perform their adoration? Waving its row of lamps, the universe sings in worship day and night, There are the hidden banner and the secret canopy: There the sound of the unseen bells is heard. Kabir says: "There adoration never ceases; there the Lord of the Universe sitteth on His throne." The whole world does its works and commits its errors: but few are the lovers who know the Beloved. The devout seeker is he who mingles in his heart the double currents of love and detachment, like the mingling of the streams of Ganges and Jumna; In his heart the sacred water flows day and night; and thus the round of births and deaths is brought to an end. Behold what wonderful rest is in the Supreme Spirit! and he enjoys it, who makes himself meet for it. Held by the cords of love, the swing of the Ocean of Joy sways to and fro; and a mighty sound breaks forth in song. See what a lotus blooms there without water! and Kabir says "My heart's bee drinks its nectar." What a wonderful lotus it is, that blooms at the heart of the spinning wheel of the universe! Only a few pure souls know of its true delight. Music is all around it, and there the heart partakes of the joy of the Infinite Sea. Kabir says: "Dive thou into that Ocean of sweetness: thus let all errors of life and of death flee away." Behold how the thirst of the five senses is quenched there! and the three forms of misery are no more! Kabir says: "It is the sport of the Unattainable One: look within, and behold how the moon-beams of that Hidden One shine in you." There falls the rhythmic beat of life and death: Rapture wells forth, and all space is radiant with light. There the Unstruck Music is sounded; it is the music of the love of the three worlds. There millions of lamps of sun and of moon are burning; There the drum beats, and the lover swings in play. There love-songs resound, and light rains in showers; and the worshipper is entranced in the taste of the heavenly nectar. Look upon life and death; there is no separation between them, The right hand and the left hand are one and the same. Kabir says: "There the wise man is speechless; for this truth may never be found in Vedas or in books." I have had my Seat on the Self-poised One, I have drunk of the Cup of the Ineffable, I have found the Key of the Mystery, I have reached the Root of Union. Travelling by no track, I have come to the Sorrowless Land: very easily has the mercy of the great Lord come upon me. They have sung of Him as infinite and unattainable: but I in my meditations have seen Him without sight. That is indeed the sorrowless land, and none know the path that leads there: Only he who is on that path has surely transcended all sorrow. Wonderful is that land of rest, to which no merit can win; It is the wise who has seen it, it is the wise who has sung of it. This is the Ultimate Word: but can any express its marvelous savour? He who has savoured it once, he knows what joy it can give. Kabir says: "Knowing it, the ignorant man becomes wise, and the wise man becomes speechless and silent, The worshipper is utterly inebriated, His wisdom and his detachment are made perfect; He drinks from the cup of the inbreathings and the outbreathings of love." There the whole sky is filled with sound, and there that music is made without fingers and without strings; There the game of pleasure and pain does not cease. Kabir says: "If you merge your life in the Ocean of Life, you will find your life in the Supreme Land of Bliss." What a frenzy of ecstasy there is in every hour! and the worshipper is pressing out and drinking the essence of the hours: he lives in the life of Brahma. I speak truth, for I have accepted truth in life; I am now attached to truth, I have swept all tinsel away. Kabir says: "Thus is the worshipper set free from fear; thus have all errors of life and of death left him." There the sky is filled with music: There it rains nectar: There the harp-strings jingle, and there the drums beat. What a secret splendour is there, in the mansion of the sky! There no mention is made of the rising and the setting of the sun; In the ocean of manifestation, which is the light of love, day and night are felt to be one. Joy for ever, no sorrow,--no struggle! There have I seen joy filled to the brim, perfection of joy; No place for error is there. Kabir says: "There have I witnessed the sport of One Bliss!" I have known in my body the sport of the universe: I have escaped from the error of this world. The inward and the outward are become as one sky, the Infinite and the finite are united: I am drunken with the sight of this All! This Light of Thine fulfills the universe: the lamp of love that burns on the salver of knowledge. Kabir says: "There error cannot enter, and the conflict of life and death is felt no more."
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MysticMelody Knowflake Posts: 2278 From: Registered: Dec 2005
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posted August 19, 2007 05:07 PM
Thank you, Juni I really like that one. Great thread in general. IP: Logged |
26taurus Knowflake Posts: 11463 From: Thee you of we Registered: Jun 2004
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posted August 19, 2007 05:26 PM
Thank you very much for sharing that. *´¨)}><}}}(*> ¸.·´¸.·*´¨) ¸.·*¨) (¸.·´ (¸.·´
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