posted March 31, 2003 11:31 PM         

First, I did not say that Thoth is necessarily best for everyone. I merely stated that it is the most informative deck out there. And owning a Thoth doesn't stop me from buying other decks!

Second, there being many other decks available in the market doesn't make Thoth any less informative, for the same reason that the bicycles are still selling doesn't make motorcycles a slower two-wheels. Don't take me as having less respect for bikers, I sometimes prefer riding a bike to driving my car! Just like I still meditate with my Original Rider Waite Deck at times.

Regarding the creepy feeling Thoth brought to you, I have to say I felt something eerie at the beginning too. However, things changed after I read the Book of Thoth (a masterpiece by Aleister Crowley). Get a copy and read it, you should then be exposed to the many secrets in the cards, and you will get more and more comfortable with it the more you study and use it.

posted April 01, 2003 12:12 AM         

We all get chosen by different decks for different reasons (like my cat chose me when I went to the shelter ) I mean I have a dozen decks and only get good readings from 2 or 3. (the rest could type out the reading for me and I still wouldn't get it )

You say that it's the most informative out there. I'm not so hot with symbolism sometimes. Maybe that's the source of the heebie jeebies - sensory overload. Who knows?

posted April 01, 2003 01:35 AM         

Thoth could be harmful to those who couldn't handle. Just like you need lessons in driving a car, the consequences of not being properly instructed before operating with it can be disastrous to some.

I like your attitude with this New Age thing. Mind you, Book of Thoth is no easy reading, it requires lots of meditation. And it probably requires hours of work before a proper operation in accordance with Crowley's guidelines/instructions can be performed. Its not an easy deck that you can just buy and perform a Celtic Cross spread to get everything out of it. On the other hand, thats where the challenge lies for the serious student, and reward does come after work in this case!

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'The Equation "Naught=Many=Two=One=All=Naught" is implicit in every mode of the being of the System.'

posted April 01, 2003 02:27 AM         

I believe that there is a deck that is right for everyone. For me it is definitely the Thoth deck.

Unfortunately I think that Crowley has been given a bad rap by people who have not explored his work or do not understand him.

No, his deck is not for everyone and neither are his books, but I would expect people who post on this message board to be a little more open-minded and not be so quick to pass judgement on something they have little or no knowledge of.

Love and Light,

posted April 01, 2003 02:24 PM         

i was reading through your posts and noted that you are primarily focused on "traditional astrology" and do not use chiron frequently in your work. i had read somewhere, i do not recollect exactly where, that pan-horus and vulcan would be the last two planets to be found before the fall of civilization (cyclical occurance). what are your thoughts regarding pan-horus and vulcan? if this "theory" proves correct, how do these two entities fit into your idea of "traditional" astrology, if they already do exist and have been used in astrological work prior to "open" published documentaries in the civilization that we current live in?

posted April 01, 2003 05:34 PM         

Well, I do believe that there will be 2 more planets discovered at some point in time. And I do have a theory about their rulerships and how they will fit into the traditional model of astrology.

I have stated my opinions or theories elsewhere, and have been ridiculed for it by a particular knowflake, so at present I 'm keeping my ears and eyes open, and my mouth shut.

Chiron is not a planet, but rather a comet at last news from JPL; I wouldn't stop anyone from using it, but as I say, I haven't seen anyone tell me anything using Chiron that could NOT be seen by other traditional methods.

Just my opinion.. and I can be opinionated from time to time, open minded as I try to be. I think in that way, Linda and I were alot alike.

posted April 01, 2003 05:42 PM         

One more question please, would you tell me where they are at so I may read them? This site does not have a search function.

Thank you Aselzion.

posted April 01, 2003 07:19 PM         

Ok.. maybe if we talk really softly, the particular knowflake that hates my theory won't hear...

I believe that the two signs missing rulers are Virgo, in agreement with Linda. And a drum roll please... Libra.

Vulcan will rule Virgo, sign of the Craftsman.

Minerva, goddess of Wisdom (also a warrior Goddess) will rule Libra.

Again, this is only my opinion. I think Venus is as uncomfortable in its rulership of Libra, as Mercury is in his rulership of Virgo. (Hmmm... Mercury is more Airy, and will keep Gemini. And I find Venus more, of the Earth, earthy... much more fitting of Taurus to my mind. Just noticed that!)

They WORK... but they just don't seem to quite fit. Again, just my opinion.

But it's all moot until their discovery, or recovery, if you will. So I s'pose my theory is just as good as anyone else's. Maybe better because I actually have a "proof", based on the Inconjunct aspect pattern, and the Traditional rulerships. But again.. until it happens, it's all just so much of an intellectual exercise.

Peace and Light...
A

posted April 02, 2003 03:46 AM         

Well, after a short search on the web, I'd have to say that it seems that the jury is still out about the classification of Chiron; planetoid, asteroid, comet or minor planet.

Regardless... as I have said before, I think if God put it there, it can be interpreted, however, I have also yet to see anyone give me a natal interpretation or a prediction made with Chiron, that was not seen more traditionally in the chart.

This is not to say that it shouldn't be the subject os astrological research... but with the other things that fascinate me, Chiron is not very near the top of my list of things to investigate. My opinion.

I can tell you, that while I knew Linda, she was aware of Chiron, but was NOT using it either.

I did do a wee bit of research to find out what the bruhaha was all about, and felt that it was not very convincing to me, but as I say, I have heard astrologers say, "I couldn't do a chart without it."

All I can tell you is for 23 years I have done so very successfully, and for many more years than that, Linda had as well.

posted April 02, 2003 04:08 AM         

Since you are interested. For your information, my friend who has an immense interest in astronomy told me that Chiron is a funny and difficult heavenly body. He said he had come across different people sticking different labels onto it, viz. planetoid (or small planet), asteroid & comet. Reason being in its multiplicity nature. Then again, he reminded me of something important, so I won't feel I am digressing from the point at issue - whether Chiron should be seen as part of "traditional astrology"?

[I thought that had been agreed upon, to be a matter of semantics. Now I realize that it wasn't settled. I cannot tell if thats because of the current planet transits that makes people particularly sensitive to alternate views/criticisims. I will try to be careful while speaking out the truth as it is shown to me.]

posted April 02, 2003 04:34 AM         

With all the respect for Aselzion and Linda's knowledge, in particular that of our beloved Linda. I respectfully submit that Evangeline Adams did pretty well without full knowledge about Pluto back in her days. So whats the point am I trying to make? I bet EA could have done better if you provided her with an ephemeris which includes Pluto & Chiron. I am almost sure Linda could have done better readings too when equipped with better knowledge about Chiron.

posted April 02, 2003 05:42 PM         

Intellectual exercises are fun for me, bring it on

Where do you predict Minerva is at? Are there any historical documentaries regarding Vulcan and Minerva that have survived?

Venus, of sorts, does makes sense for Taurus . . . after all Vulcan and Aphrodite did marry.

posted April 03, 2003 01:30 PM         

I'm on a 12 hour break from work, and should be going back to bed.

I'll be off for the next three days after I get home tomorrow morning, so I will post a reply about Vulcan and Minerva later.

Off to bed again for round two of sleep fest.

Blessed Be!

A

posted April 04, 2003 04:56 PM         

I apologize to those of you who think the astrological conversation was intruding on this Tarot dialogue!

I have created a new thread so that we don't muck up the flow any further!

As Annie said, Tarot, Astrology and Qabalah are entwined, enmeshed and enlightened by each other... which is really as it should be.

As the Nazarene said, "In my Father's House there are many mansions..."

But, for clarity, we'll try to keep the mansions separated by at least a fair sized yard and swimming pool!

Blessings in L.V.X....
A