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Author Topic:   I think I'm not meant to use the Arthurian tarot!
AmberVonSchriek
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posted November 12, 2002 02:48 PM           Edit/Delete Message

My first deck my son got a hold of when he was still very young and he messed up quite a few of the cards.

My second deck Kian bought for me because she knew I loved it. Last night it was sitting on the counter by my wand and crystal balls... and I have a little fountain there. One of the fountain spray s went nuts and soaked the whole counter and 6 or 7 of the cards are now ruined. :*(

I think it's a sign!

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shamrock227
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posted November 12, 2002 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shamrock227     Edit/Delete Message
Oh that's a shame. I have those cards. They have the most beautiful artwork on them. I love to look at them. Couldn't get a decent reading off them if I paid them, but they are beautiful.

Sounds like a sign to me.

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AmberVonSchriek
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posted November 12, 2002 03:51 PM           Edit/Delete Message
lol

yeah they are really really beautiful. I have four or five other decks in my cabinet and I'll see if I want to use any of those... otherwise I'm on the search for a new deck... something that speaks to me and doesn't self destruct

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shamrock227
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posted November 13, 2002 04:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shamrock227     Edit/Delete Message
which ones do you have? I collect decks that I like.

I just got myself a set of the Arcus Arcanum. Still sealed and everything. I've wanted those for years.

My reading deck is the Robin Wood Tarot. The symbolism is consistant with the easy to read symbolism of the Rider-Waite - but much more beautiful in my not so humble opinion

I have all kinds of decks. One glows in the dark and one is really tiny. I just love them.

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AmberVonSchriek
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posted November 13, 2002 05:15 PM           Edit/Delete Message
I'll go get them and tell ya!!

I have:

Tarot of the Witches: Haven't used this at all but it is very simplistic. Too, simplistic, I think. Probably for someone very advanced who doesn't need symbolism anymore to help with the meaning of a card.

Adrian Tarot: I'm looking through these right now. Really pretty. Again very simplistic and for more advanced readers, I think. BUT.. the cards that are not in the major arcana have a word printed on them that might help less experienced readers. For instance the Two of Swords says "doubt" and the six of pentacles says "generosity"

The Vision Tarot: Uses beautiful photos of real people and objects that are then digitally enhanced. This is probably the most likely deck I'd use out of the ones I own.

Londa Tarot: Cartoon like drawings but I like the style of the characters, thin, pale and gothy looking. Again I don't know about the symbolism of this deck. difficult to read.

and two Rider Waite decks! But one is very LARGE and one is very very small.

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shamrock227
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posted November 14, 2002 06:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shamrock227     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, I have the Vision Tarot, too. They are really neat. I just couldn't resist buying them.

Those large decks are a pain in the you-know-what to shuffle, but they are great when you are dong readings for other people.

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posted November 15, 2002 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for trippysht     Edit/Delete Message
i love the 'moon garden' tarot.. rider-waite in flavor, the wands are these beautiful trees, the pentacles are glossy bubbles and the swords pointy dragon flies-- ive abused that deck from years of use and need to get another one!
i also like the goddess tarot- each major arcana card has a goddess attributed to it- all from throughout the world. the court cards contain the prince princess king and queen... very nice for feminist minded folks

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SnowWhite
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posted November 16, 2002 02:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for SnowWhite     Edit/Delete Message
I have the Arthurian tarot cards too and I was really surprised that out of the zillions of decks out there that Amber also had the same deck! I love that deck and that is the only deck I have. I get very good readings off of it (ask Amber LOL).

I am bummed though that Amber's keeps getting messed up!

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Aphrodite
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posted November 20, 2002 04:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aphrodite     Edit/Delete Message
hi amber,

i, too, have the Tarot of the Witches deck. i've been using it for several years now. i'd always been able to read well from them.

yes, they are very simplistic artistically, that i agree with you. but i suppose that is what appealed to me the most about this deck. i keep them safe in a royal purple velvet bag with silvery thread designs.

have you ever seen the movie, harry potter? in it harry is in a wand shop looking for the most suitable wand that vibrates to his energy levels. it is the same with tarot cards, i think.

aphrodite

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StarLover33
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posted March 16, 2003 11:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarLover33     Edit/Delete Message
I use the Authorian Deck, and I love it, they're so beautiful.

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Zero
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posted March 23, 2003 06:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zero     Edit/Delete Message
Crowley Thoth Deck rules!!!

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moth
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posted March 24, 2003 08:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for moth     Edit/Delete Message
This is strange, but it seems my most accurate readings are from the Albano-Waite deck. It has rather hideously cartoon-colored representations of the original Rider-Waite. It is not the deck I would choose for asthetics; however, it seems the deck chose ME, because all the other lovely decks I have acquired through the years, even though more lovely, more expensive, more whatever, never give me as accurate of readings as the garish Albano-Waite. Go figure.

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Aselzion
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posted March 25, 2003 08:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message
Greeting moth...

And welcome to LindaLand!

I know what you mean! I have many, many decks that I have acquired over the years, and sometimes the one that gives me the most information is the Hanson Roberts Deck.

Now, it is based on the Rider Waite deck, but the people in the pictures look almost dwarvish or fey in some way.

I call the Sun card in that deck the "Cabbage Patch Kid on a My Little Pony" cuz that's exactly what it looks like!

Overall, I am more drawn to the artistic style of the Morgan Greer Deck, or The Robin Wood Deck... but often the readings I get with the Hanson Roberts surpass what I can do with either of the others.

As you say, it's like the deck picks you. Sometimes I will show the person I'm reading for several decks, and let them choose whichever deck talks to them, and have had good results with that.

Peace and Light...
A

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posted March 25, 2003 10:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zero     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Aselzion, two questions for you:
(1) do you know which Tarot Deck Linda used for reading or was she in it at all?
(2) why you think Crowley Thoth Deck isn't the most informative deck?

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posted March 25, 2003 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message
Greetings Zero and welcome....

1) Linda was not into reading Tarot at all. Astrology and all were studies enough for one lifetime with her writing schedule.

2) I'll try to be honest and tactful when replying about the Crowley deck. While many people find the illustrations lovely, I find them cold. Having once tried reading with that deck and then getting a horible headache didn't help much either.

In more personal terms, I am not much of a Crowley fan... I feel that his use of magic was much too Left Hand Path for my personal taste. But I tend to be more of a follower of Paul Foster Case...who was a one time member of Golden Dawn with Crowley.

I acknowledge Crowley's vast amount of knowledge... but as with his deck, he tends to "hurt my head". I also question some of his non-physical entity sources.. particularly the one he calls Aiwass. Again.. this is my personal viewpoint, and I think if Crowley and/or his deck work for people I would never try to disuade them.

As with anything, particulary Tarot, one must use what works for themSelves. Most simply put, it doesn't work for me.

In L.V.X.,
A

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posted March 26, 2003 09:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zero     Edit/Delete Message
I agree that one should choose a deck which suits oneself instead of going after it for its reputation. But my question-assertion was that the Crowley Thoth Deck is the most informative deck. Never had I seen a deck which has so many different symbols in it, and yet each and every of them contains a secret.

Aselzion, I'd also like to ask for your comment regarding the Magi Astro thing I've read in other posts here. Personally, I got the impression that its just a brainchild of an amateur astrologer whose primary goal is money.

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posted March 26, 2003 09:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message
Hello there Zero...

In terms of the Crowley deck being the "most symbolic", they are ALL symbolic. Crowley was just a bit more up front about his esoteric symbolism... however, I find that the B.O.T.A. deck is also very symbolic, and the symbols are not necessaily hidden. The symbolism is there in every tarot deck for those that know how to unlock/decode it.

That being said, I respect your opinion, but feel that no one deck has cornered the market on being the most anything. That is why there are as many decks as there are interpreters. I mean, a skilled person can get an informative and accurate reading with a deck of playing cards... make sense?

In terms of the Magi Astrology... I cannot comment intelligently as I have not studied it. Donna, the Moderator in the Astrology Forum, uses it very well. My training has all been in more classical or traditional techniques. I don't even use Chiron or the asteroids in my practice, but I know astrologers that claim that I'm missing the boat.

As I have stated before, there are some things that must be a study for a lifetime... I feel there is enough meat in the traditional astrology that I can get all the same info without the addition of Chiron and the asteroids. But, then again, God put them there though, so, they must mean something. Perhaps someday if time permits, I will explore them.. but for the time being, I have yet to read an article or book that uses them and gives valid information that I couldn't get from some other chart factors. This however, does is not meant to imply that I am wrong and they are right.

After all, where would we be without the innovators, and those daring to go where this man has chosen not to go?

Peace and Light...
A

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posted March 26, 2003 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zero     Edit/Delete Message
I am forced to disagree with you there Chiron IS part of the traditional astrology, just like Pluto and any other recently discovered planets.

IMHO, the Magi Astro thing, from what I read, appears to be a new method to cast a horoscope, while adopting interpretations of planetary aspects from what you called traditional astrology.

That said, it seems fair enough to me, that another way of casting your chart is available to us. However, I do not like the part that the creator claimed that it was originated from Shao Lin monks!!! Come on, noone could have heard of Chiron centuries ago! If it works, that would be because its derived from the traditional astrology, just under the guise of another skin.

Anyone who studied Magi Astro intensely : feel free to rectify my thinking if you think I had gotten a wrong impression of da school.

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posted March 26, 2003 03:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message
Hello again...

No, Chiron is not part of "classical" astrology as practiced by the ancients. I think that Chiron was discovered in the 1970's or so, and is not considered a planet in any system of astrology prior to that time.

As I said before, I don't know enough about the Magi Astrology to discuss it intelligently, but you might like to ask Donna about it, as that seems to be her area of expertise. I tend to practice a very "black and white" form of astrology, in that my specialties are Horary and Medical.. something either IS or it IS NOT. I tend to leave the psychological and mythological aspects of astrology to those more pleased with its methods.

I make predictions with astrology, I describe physical characteristics, I do talk about spirituality.. beyond that I leave the "psychologising" to those that are comfortable "counselling", but as I say, that is not my area of expertise.

Have you studied Magi Astrology? I have not, nor would I condemn it without researching its methods. And again, as I said, it will probably be a long time before I have the leisure to attempt that study.

Blessings...
A

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posted March 26, 2003 04:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zero     Edit/Delete Message
Chiron was first discovered in 1977 I think, but that fact shouldn't exclude the planet from the big family of traditional astrology. An analogous situation would be, if you ask Evangeline Adams in 1900 about Pluto, she probably had to shrug at you. Unless you consider planets like Pluto excluded from the rank of "trad astro" or Chiron has to belong to this class?

Regarding Magi Astro, like I wrote, I want to learn more about the subject, and therefore posted what I perceived of the subject. However, recognizing that I don't even consider myself a student of that school, I had already invited qualified people to enlighten me. O well, maybe I will start a new post in Astrology later if thats what you wanted me to do Since you are specializing in medical astrology, I will try to focus on that in questions for you in future, I hope I can learn some from you. Again, I might start a new post for that so it looks more proper

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posted March 28, 2003 12:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aselzion     Edit/Delete Message
Greetings Zero...

I don't consider Chiron part of traditional astrology.. that would come under what I term modern astrology.

Additionally, I think that Chiron has been reclassed as a comet, and as such, in my mind, does not belong in a natal or horary chart interpretation using "traditional" techniques. (And to be honest, unless the outer planets aspect a personal point, I consider them generational, and of only passing interest in a natal reading... transits and directions however are another matter!)

Perhaps it's only a matter of semantics, but it's what makes sense to me.

Blessings...
A

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posted March 28, 2003 04:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zero     Edit/Delete Message
Hello again Aselzion,

I see the matter as a different approach in our systems of classification. Well, you are right too in saying that it could just be a matter of semantics. Maybe we can use Linda's favourite saying "half full vs half empty" to describe that if you like. Since you have given your reason in support of your belief, I feel I have to speak for mine too.

Liz Greene (in case you don't know who she is, shes one of the astrodienst people) wrote in her book Mythic Astrology "...... The little planet itself, like the mythic centaur ......" (p.39) And the treatment she gave Chiron in her book is all the same as any other bigger planets. The planet by itself, and the way it forms planetary aspects with other planets had been dealt with in the same manner.

There are some older textbooks out there which did not give Chiron a profound treatment, but that would be out of their ignorances. So sorry. But well, I don't think its a shame for anyone though. Evangeline Adams didn't give Pluto the due attention it deserves at the beginning of the century for the same reason, who dares to say Pluto is not important now? But we surely ought keep ourselves updated. And I am almost sure if Linda is here to rewrite her books, she will certainly include Chiron in them.

If you go to a decent bookshop today, there should be lots of materials on the shelves which gives Chiron a good coverage. Have a nice browsing!

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posted March 30, 2003 12:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for WychOfAvalon     Edit/Delete Message
this is the deck I want now


definately talks to me I'm hoping my mum gets it for me for my birthday or something.

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posted March 31, 2003 01:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for shamrock227     Edit/Delete Message
Oh, Neat! What is the name of that deck?

I don't know why, but that Thoth deck gives me the major creeps. (not to impune your choice at all, Zero! If the same deck worked for everyone there wouldn't be all those decks on the market).

I am, so far, sorta disappointed in my Arcus Arcanum. I think the readings are pretty accurate, but it's like pulling teeth to interpret them. Looks like, for me, Robin Wood still leads the pack.

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