posted January 06, 2015 09:56 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
If followed by three major love pain and longing cards lol and by those intentions towards a person, it may not be the "freedom" you're implying here. Just saying, independently from this being my spread or not.

There's also the nice connection: Two of Cups...Queen of Cups on the contemplation/feelings/thoughts part of the spread, a cycle completed, before the actional part begins.

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If the 1st spread shows your current situation, why didn't you say so and let us guess as to the theme? Anyone would have guessed, single gal/boy, messy/troublesome/abrupt breakup.

But, no, we have "his general attitude" - fine, it's non-committal. He may not want to commit, or he's not able to. Reality - there's nothing to work with at the moment and he's aware of it. The union (2/C) crumbled (The Tower) and now I am on my own (The Fool).

As to the second spread, oh joy to the world, the cards are kind! - Not. He's worried. There's something that occupies his mind - what - 3/S. Are you the Queen? That's a very important question, to identify the people.

3/S + 9/S + Q/C : this could be a heartbreak over a lady.

The 3rd spread... This Is not The Chariot + The Knight/W + Wheel of Fortune, here the Page is present. He tells a different story. WoF isn't a chirpy card either. What if indeed he tries again to woo you but WoF throws something out of sorts at him? WoF is the reversal, where the underdog thrives and the winner is beaten.

posted January 06, 2015 09:59 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Ok, what are PM's current feelings toward Leeloo?
Rider-snake-Lily-stork-child

Pulled whip-tower to clarify Lily

Lily-stork-child OMG are you pregnant LOL?

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lol no, but a rebirth is involved.

posted January 06, 2015 10:01 AM            

current attitude:
anchor - Moon - Mountain

he experiences this as obstacle or delay to your longlasting emotional and romantic connection.

his feelings about you:
key - stars - letter

he feels very hopeful that you two will be able to solve these problems. Not a very lovey-dovey-spread, however with the Stars as central card, I think there are quite some good feelings there.

his actions:
Key - Man - whip

LOL You WILL tallk about this again, maybe have a heated debate about it.

next stage:
Anchor - ship - clover

before long you will start a new journey. How things were before, they can`t be anymore. The ship is moving away from the anchor. So there have to be changes being made to your relationship, but they will be for the better.

was pulling a card as to where you will move to

Tree

posted January 06, 2015 10:04 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
You know what, this thread is a stupid mistake and a misunderstanding, it's not like I need cards to know what he feels or what our story is about, and I can handle the pain of our quarrel by myself actually, now that I think about it, I did this thread only because I wanted to share this spread with you and to discuss Tarot.

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posted January 06, 2015 10:06 AM            

It doesn't matter now, my spread is spoiled for this thread. I will attempt an interpretation here by myself.

Thank you for drawing the cards, maybe they did reflect the tension here, or the pain we both experience right now.

What is important to remember though about this spread, as I conceived it: whatever the person acts/his intentions is always TOWARDS the other person, so he is going with the Chariot to her, for instance. The same with the feelings. This is the particularity of this spread. The outcome/next stage involves the two people, so only if we have separation/breakup cards (like in your spread for me), we can say they may separate, otherwise, they share the Wheel of Fortune together, NOT separately.

This is how I will draw the cards for you and tgem.

posted January 06, 2015 10:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
so I tried the lenormand cards, as they did not seem so stickly like tarot:

current attitude:
anchor - Moon - Mountain

he experiences this as obstacle or delay to your longlasting emotional and romantic connection

his feelings about you:
key - stars - letter

he feels very hopeful that you two will be able to solve these problems. Not a very lovey-dovey-spread, however with the Stars as central card, I think there are quite some good feelings there.

his actions:
Key - Man - whip

LOL You WILL tallk about this again, maybe have a heated debate about it.

next stage:
Anchor - ship - clover

before long you will start a new journey. How things were before, they can`t be anymore. The ship is moving away from the anchor. So there have to be changes being made to your relationship, but they will be for the better.

was pulling a card as to where you will move to

Tree

so I guess something long lasting and growing with stable foundation.

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posted January 06, 2015 10:10 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Leeloo this spread was not a mistake. I'm glad you posted it. I've always seen 2 of cups as the soulmate card. I don't care what anyone says...yes, 9 of swords as heartbreak as well. I'm glad you posted this thread

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Thank you, tgem, for your lovely heart

And thank you, Ceri, for pulling with Leno too, you are so sweet!

I feel better now, I will now do your readings.

posted January 06, 2015 10:46 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Ok, what are PM's current feelings toward Leeloo?
Rider-snake-Lily-stork-child

Pulled whip-tower to clarify Lily

Lily-stork-child OMG are you pregnant LOL?

Everything points to a new start between you two. With Lily, whip and tower as the main focus, I get a lot of sexual vibes too??

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It's true we don't lack those lol Thank you!

Tgem, I thought it would be interesting to try both Tarot and Leno, for you and Ceri.

First I'm doing Tarot, then let's see how Leno reinforces (or not) the Tarot spread.

What he feels about the current situation between you two/his current situation regarding you two

Queen of Swords
Ten of Cups
King of Pentacles

I think this reflects the fact that he is married, his marriage, the QofS I have a feeling is how he perceives her, rather than you. She was/is like that about the situation between you two. He is the King, he takes his marriage, or marriage in general seriously, but at the same time, if we think about the King and his feelings towards you, I'd say the friendships he feels, the good memories (with the 10 of cups too) are pretty strong in him, he cherishes your moments together. Physical attraction is remembered too, (perhaps the dancing and bot the Queen and this King bring issues of jealousy too.

The story is reinforced by the following cards, his feelings/thoughts about you

6 of Cups
Page of Swords
4 of Wands

The Cups speak about the same cherished memories. The Page about the conflict which proved to be out of proportions, led to something like a storm. The Wands indicate missing someone, remembering the good parts (this theme is really reinforced here) but also a need/desire for reunion/reconcilliation. He certainly is not indifferent towards you, but it looks like he balances his current situation with your memories together. He also somehow feels safe about the nature of your connection.

Intentions/what he will do

4 of Swords
Hermit
Queen of Pentacles

The same comfort here, with the Queen and the 4, he doesn't have clear intentions for now, at this moment he is not willing to act towards you. In his solitude however, we can't know what the Hermit is thinking, feeling, plotting, the Hermit as intentions is like a Scorpio placement, could have a poker face. It could also mean he is waiting (4 of Sw) to be alone ( Hermit) to face/reunite with the Queen
His emotions are a bit bottled up though, reason prevails at this point.

The outcome/next stage for you together

4 of Cups
Magician
Lovers

hahah well, despite the current situation (unsatisfactory, missing each other) it seems something unexpected will happen and you will be, somehow, reunited. Perhaps the 4 shows a missing element is necessary for the Magician to do his act of magic. Time may be an issues here.

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posted January 06, 2015 10:55 AM            

Mountain Key Whip - the obstacle, the solution, a sudden solution, trying repetitively or a sudden act - he feels blocked from you, but doesn't exclude a solution for crossing the Mountain

His feelings

Tower Coffin Tree

well, that's depression or something like a sleep. Time is an issue here as well, this combo reminds me of the Hermit

Intentions

House Clover Birds

So he does want to talk to you after all, getting a chance at that, perhaps through an invitation? a call? Let me know.

Outcome/next stage

Ring Woman Fox
I see an intermediary here, a woman hm.

posted January 06, 2015 12:05 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
WELL!! So here's what I can verify: yes he for sure takes his marriage seriously and I would only expect that as I took my marriage seriously as well but me leaving was ultimately the best decision for me. Honestly, he needs to figure out if he wants to stay in his marriage, regardless of me..I would never ask him to leave his wife- he needs to figure that out on his own. And to say it caused storms??!! Well, that's an understatement but true. At least the spread shows he does miss me which I'll take cuz the missing him from my side gets almost unbearable sometimes. Glad to know he hopes for a reconciliation but it will be up to him as I've played my part making an effort to connect and he knows it.
He's a Scorpio through and through so the fact that the Hermit popped up as a poker face doesn't surprise me at all. I don't doubt there's a sea of emotions down there of which he chooses not to address or show..then again, I was good at that too. After the NYE thing I had to do some deep soul searching..I finally figured out what it means to "let him go." Hoping for him to call/text/meet etc. has obviously gotten me no where so I just try to send love and good vibes and hope that if it's truly meant to be, it will happen. I posted a very special painting I've found that reminds me of him and I whenever I look at it- we sure did love to dance together..sigh anyway, thx so much for the spreads and interpretations http://www.josephinewall.co.uk/love_air.html

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Tgem, that outcome is intriguing, you never know, but I agree with you, it's perhaps time for you to be open for other connections and let this one happen by itself, it's time for him to show something, if any. Wishing you to be loved, dear :heart;

posted January 06, 2015 12:26 PM            

his feelings about the current situation between you two

7 of Wands
Queen of Cups
Strength

I see the same warmth of feelings here, as it comes with the Queen of Cups, perhaps how he is perceiving you, a warm, feminine, intuitive, perhaps maternal presence. This card usually shows longing or desire for a more intimate connection...it is also a strongly feminine card, reflecting a subconscious, intuitive connection, a mystery unfolding: the Queen, our anima, our subconscious feminine self, is the only one knowing what that mysterious cup holds, it looks very much like Alladin's lamp, in fact: a genie in a bottle. Yin energy is very strong with this card.

So is the Strength card, mastering one's feelings, taming masculine instincts, restraining one's passion.

we see in this combo a rival (at least from your perspective) and holding one's ground, but he definitely perceives you as a string feminine presence.

His thoughts/feelings towards you

Ten of Wands
Ace of Wands
High Priestess

I'm intrigued about the ace being followed by the HP. It seems there is high pressure of sorts, a burden even, or sorting things out and the need to come up with the Ace: the declaration, the solution, the idea, the act of clarity, but it seems it all remains hidden, or balanced through wisdom. The Ace of Wands and the HP seem like very contradictory cards to me, in this sequence. The first card perhaps shows this battle going on. There is a subtle connection between you two, perhaps in the realm of dreams even, maybe he dreams about you too, or someone like you lol
With these two last cards however, I can see you energize him a lot, perhaps on subtle levels; maybe the interaction between you two gives him a buzz

Intentions

10 of Swords
Emperor
8 of Wands

10 of swords and Emperor suggest to me the same dominion over one's feelings and more subtle vibrations with someone and imposing reason and duty. But the 8 of wands as intention shows the querent is about to trigger movement, talking, action, news, he is about to do something towards you, or say something that triggers events, usually a chain... and for this we look at the outcome cards to see what this leads to.

The Sun
4 of swords
Magician

To me, this looks like an important revelation/dream/...the 4 of Swords there is intriguing...or a chain of events with different textures. There is the Sun: truth, happiness, clearing things out, mutual joy - I wonder if this is not the show per se- (8 of Wands/Sun) but then there is this pause, or a sleep/dream, however the outcome per se is unexpected with the Magician.

I puled Judgement on 4 of s lol well, something like a rite of passage completing, with the magical act. The Magician is also a maverick showing us "the future is a mystery after all", sometimes

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posted January 06, 2015 12:44 PM            

look at that

how he feels about the current situation between your two

Clouds Snake Woman

You probably know Clouds and Snake represent the "couple", usually married or marital couple in Leno. We have ourselves a little threesome here

His feelings for you

Roads Bear Tower
You are an alternative
I'm not sure about this Bear, but in terms of feelings it usually shows strong feelings. Well, Leno usually gives us convoluted answers: Tower here, with Bear, could reflect a feeling of loneliness or wanting to be alone with someone.

Intentions/actions

Child Ring Birds

Wow that Child again, so weird !
This translates as a new and very very nice relationship. But it could also mean "talking again with someone", if we want to give it a more prudent meaning

Outcome/next stage

Tree Book House

The mystery of time and destiny: Tree and Book, time will tell and something stable, a stable future is being built in the background.

Also, with this outcome, I wonder if it's possible for him to visit your school, at some point in the future? I wonder if House Book could also mean theatre.

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posted January 06, 2015 01:13 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Since I'm so emotionally involved in this, maybe you fine witches help me interpret this love spread

Clues about his general attitude towards me (us) right now

Two of Cups
Tower
Fool

His present thoughts/feelings about me

9 of Spades
3 of Spades
Queen of Cups

His current intentions/actions that will follow

Ace of Wands
Ace of Cups
Nine of Pentacles

Next stage between us:

Chariot
Page of Wands
Wheel of Fortune

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A short, alternative interpretation of my spread (it is true I know the situation so I'll include it a bit)

Two of Cups Tower Fool: shared love, truth is revealed, major crumble due to foolishness, childish and reckless behavior, but a leap of faith is possible. Nothing more to loose.

9 of Swords, 3 of swords, Queen of Cups: love and heartbreak, longing, a mysterious woman holding a secret, warm memories and feelings

Ace of Wands Ace of Cups 9 of Pents: inspiration, sensuality, a new love, crush, renewal of love, awareness of love, decisive action, declaration, proposal, great love, a vow (with the 9 of Pents) to master one's instincts, to work towards one's goal. Admiration for the Pents lady. Wearing the glove. Taming the bird. Enjoying a tangible relationship. Becoming more refined, upgrading oneself. A small and meaningful gift: the beetle.

Chariot
Page of Wands
Wheel of Fortune

With the Page of Wands, there is always an important message involved, coming from one of the parties or both. Decisive actions, movement, courage (two major courage cards, the Chariot and the Page). An invitation. A third party intervention. Major events/actions are likely to take place, usually of a fated nature, with the W of F. Travel.

EDIT: because of the Chariot + 9 of Pents combo, and Chariot being a reinforcer of the 9 Pents meaning: " self-discipline, step by step program, self-restraint" something like this is likely to happen or at least the cards support it.

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posted January 06, 2015 01:21 PM            

"I see the same warmth of feelings here, as it comes with the Queen of Cups, perhaps how he is perceiving you, a warm, feminine, intuitive, perhaps maternal presence"
That would be nice. I think I can be warm, feminine, intuitive and maternal/caring, if you get to know me more closely and are being allowed to look behind my intellect.

". This card usually shows longing or desire for a more intimate connection..."
I certainly wuoldn`t complain about this.

"we see in this combo a rival (at least from your perspective) and holding one's ground, but he definitely perceives you as a string feminine presence."
We know that this is right. I am possibly a rival, M seems to consider me a threat, too. Otherwise there would be no need to be quite hostile towards me. I mean he has a lot of female fans, and she is not like that towards them.

Maybe he also feels like he SHOULD not do hat he is doing (giving me attention) with M and the little one around (and possibly another one - well I certainly brace myself for that possibility. it`s part of my "Stay realistic" project ).

Maybe he feels like he has to fend off whatever he is feeling. Though that in itself sais that he is feeling something.

"Ten of Wands"
This is interesting.
I once read about the 10 of wands in terms of feeling, that the querent often feels like he is carrying the load/ responsibility of a certain relationship on his own.

This actually reminds me of something that has been going through my mind fleetingly.
I tend to treat anything he sais or does as part of the show or a joke or a slip, so not that serious. lol

However, no matter how I weigh or interprete it, he did write/ say I was driving him crazy (last june). He did come down off his stage, coming through the crowd to me to ask me for my name (last august).
He was pretty much standing on the side of stage, while someone else was singing, just staring at me (last october).
(and some more things I fail to remember now).

While his wife got increasingly upset/ annoyed/hostile about this, what was my response?
Response? What response you ask?
RIGHT, NO response at all.
Not very visibly at least.
But what COULD I have done, approaching him after the show with his partner/ wife - his highly pregnant partner! - standing just a few metres to the side and saying: "Hey, what exactly did you mean: I am driving you crazy? Need ME as excuse now to explain why you mess up your lines?"
Nah I certainly could not have done that!

But if it was not just a continued joke, I must have come across as very unresponsive, though at the same time still coming back again. lol

Wel, I hope he got it that my response pretty much was my increased activity on his facebook. A nice, though rather impersonal way of communicating.

But nevertheless I could understand how he might feel like the whole load rests on him, and honestly? It DOES. He is the one being married or in a lasting relationship. He is the one on stage, the star, the performer. He`s the one making the choice how, if at all, this could continue. (not as an affair, that one is clear! I make the choice in THAT!)

"Ace of Wands
High Priestess"
Love that. there is a spark, and well the High PRiestess is me. I know here it must be read in context of feelings. But I have come up a lot as High PRiestess as how he perceives me.

posted January 06, 2015 01:37 PM            

Of course I don`t know what they say when I am not present. lol

but yes nothing really gets spoken, everything`s just under the surface, except for the little eruptions now and then. I guess.

"10 of Swords "
He must really really really HATE feeling this way (whatever he feels about me), possibly wants to kill it.
Well good luck with that! I have tried for several years!
Or he wants to get rid of me. Out of sight, out of mind.

"10 of swords and Emperor suggest to me the same dominion over one's feelings and more subtle vibrations with someone and imposing reason and duty. "
Yes he wants to be the one in control, I get that.

That is what Saturn squaring your Sun and MOonw ill do to you, I guess.

"But the 8 of wands as intention shows the querent is about to trigger movement, talking, action, news, he is about to do something towards you, or say something that triggers events,"
And you say that 3 deays before the dreaded concertg? LOL
Well possibly he will do something that will shock me and maybe leave me emotionally battered, bruised and hurt. NOt that I am pessimistic or something like that.

No seriously, the ongoing attention he had been paying me for the last months /occasions, makes me nervous. For I am used to every high being followed by a low. And the low is long time overdue! And i just fear the longer it takes for it to strike, the deeper the hole.

Well I try not to think about it too much, but just settle in my function and role as audience, and that`s all.

"the 4 of Swords there is intriguing"
Yes, it is weird.

posted January 06, 2015 01:56 PM            

what you see is my desperate try to keep my Neptune in line"!

Neptune conjunct ASC
Neptune conjunct Mars in 12th house
Neptune conjunct NN
Neptune square and in mutual reception with Jupiter, my chartruler
All my Sag-planets are disposed by this Jupiter in Pisces, squaring Neptune on the ASC.

I desperately NEED some groundedness and realism.

As for Saturn, he is strong in his own right.
Only planet on the western side of the chart, the handle of my bucket, so ALL the energy gets channelled and manifests through Saturn, which resides in Cancer, retro. in 8th house.

Saturn and Jupiter both supervise one dispositor tree each (split personality?), luckily they are trine each other. But I think Jupiter might have the upper hand.
Saturn is in Cancer, so the sign where Jupiter is exalted.

Apart from that Saturn is in a mutual house reception with Moon.

Moon ruler of 8th house in 2nd house; Saturn ruler of 2nd house in 8th house
(Aquarius - Cancer)
They are exactly quinkunx.

So it is both there, Jupiter-Neptune-Saturn
Saturn and Neptune are biquintile btw.

Oh and to make it complete, Pluto on the MC squaring Venus, so angular as well.

Uranus peregrine, but conjunct 11th house cusp, and disposing Moon.