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Astro keen
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posted May 05, 2015 09:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am wondering whether a Kaali Mantra, that is said to be very powerful and quick at achieving spiritual growth, will work for me.

"is said to provide a rapid boost to one's spiritual growth, although once again the results may be unexpected and drastic" (http://siddha-yoga.tripod.com/mantras1.htm)

According to tantra, some mantras are more effective than others depending on our spiritual state. Particular sounds activate different god energies and chakras, and their inherent powers can be realised by correct chanting and intent.

9 of CUPS RX
JUDGEMENT RX
TOWER

The reversed 9 of cups is a signal to go deeper. Make a point to deepen - or to begin - your spiritual practice in whatever way you are drawn to do so.
Judgment rx talks of being open to change
Tower - well things will change, rather dramatically.

So, would you say that mantra will deliver as promised?

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posted May 06, 2015 07:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I assume a Kaali mantra is meant to unleash Kaali's energy? in this context, it would be a yes because 9 of cups reversed: terror, nightmare (choosing a negative emotion fit for Kaali) + Judgement RX -go into the ground, nightmare + Tower (well, the epitome of Kaali energy)
Judgement rx is a frightening card, it says: you have to die now (metaphorically of course) or go back into the ground or stay there, be even more dead. Very similar to alchemical Nigredo, the Dark Night of the Soul. Lots of Kaali energy in the spread.

Otherwise, if it weren't about Kaali, it would mean a definite no, IMO.

I don't use reversals, but if I did, I would see no point in using them other than reading them as the reversed meaning of the original card.
Very interesting spread.
Why Kaali?

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posted May 06, 2015 07:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
About reversals...there are some who say the imagery is important, and looking at the context, a bad card can even get worse or stuck, for instance 10 of sw rx. I can't say I noticed that during spreads, but it's an interesting POV.

According to this vision: 10 of sw: hitting the bottom. 10 of sw rx: staying there (the reversed card shows the man impaling himself in those swords even better).

I actually don't use or agree with this, but I just wanted to point it out, as an alternative view. For me, 10 of sw rx means getting up after hitting the bottom (or giving up victim mentality, which is pretty much the essence of this card, rather than actually hitting the bottom in realistic terms) It represents, together with 8 of sw reversed, abandoning an ilusionary prison built mostly by someone's own mind.

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posted May 06, 2015 07:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are quite a few Kaali mantras - the one i am referring to is a powerful 15 syllable mantra. Of all the mantras I found on the net, this Kaali mantra is said to deliver the fastest results in spiritual growth.

Om Hrim Shreem Klim Adya Kalika Parameshwari Swaha

There is general agreement that the effects would be quick but unexpected - intense, possibly unnerving and uncomfortable. Well, sounds like kundalini related to me. Exciting or what! So, I'd like to see where this goes. Like to see any results actually.

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posted May 06, 2015 07:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
About reversals... For me, 10 of sw rx means getting up after hitting the bottom (or giving up victim mentality, which is pretty much the essence of this card, rather than actually hitting the bottom in realistic terms) It represents, together with 8 of sw reversed, abandoning an ilusionary prison built mostly by someone's own mind.

Interestingly, that sounds exactly like the accounts of how this mantra would affect one. Bringing to light false notions about oneself, to clear away delusions and build a fresh view. So 9 rx (if cups is similar) together with Judgement rx seems appropriate in this context.

Very useful to hear of how you see rx cards. I try not to use them at all - it was accidental on this occasion, so I decided to go with it.

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posted May 06, 2015 07:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's interesting you felt the need to use rx this time. You see what Kaali does?
Otherwise it would have been a big pleasant nirvanic YES experience.
Unleashing Kaali means facing your worst fears, your worst nightmare

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posted May 06, 2015 07:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
My worst fears!! Can't even guess what they might be -as I seem to face these most days. Have been trying to overcome these since my teens. As most of us do .

Ah yes! My worst fear would be that I am incapable of spiritual growth. It is not likely to happen in this lifetime. Now that is just plain illogical! Or that I become morbidly obese, bankrupt, fail exams, and many more....

Maybe the fears refer to shaking up all that you know or understand about the world and your place in it (I hope!). That would be interesting, to say the least.

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posted May 06, 2015 08:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for DaniPepper87     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
It's interesting you felt the need to use rx this time. You see what Kaali does?
Otherwise it would have been a big pleasant nirvanic YES experience.
Unleashing Kaali means facing your worst fears, your worst nightmare

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posted May 06, 2015 08:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
AK, I'm trying to say this will not be a pleasurable experience. It's the dark night of the soul, a descent into the underworld: all 3 cards spell this nightmare. Very necessary and if you are aspiring for spiritual growth, that's the path to go. But you have to be prepared for it, especially if you want to go there by yourself, and not forced by outer events.

I'm not sure what you mean by fear of not growing spiritually, since this is inevitable. There's a huge universal network pushing you towards it.
You mean you feel you are incapable of changing, psychologically, or on behavioral level? Or?

I think you need to determine your worst nightmare, your worst fear(s) by taking a piece of paper and writing them on it, in a very concrete manner. If they're more than 5, you are probably suffering from general anxiety.

Only after you do that, you work with Kaali, to face them and release them.

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posted May 06, 2015 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leeloo, you are a sweetie!

Those references to anxieties were meant as a joke. Bad one! I'm fairly optimistic and seem to have a consistent belief that i will come to no harm. Had a lovely dream of giving birth to shakti, the goddess a few months ago, which I trust. Of course, all of this could be turned on its head.

I think the dark night of the soul phenomenon occurs before great transformations, as it did for Ekhart Tolle. Those people write books and lead others. I don't think I fall in that category, so I may be spared .

I pulled more cards for the question what do I have to be careful about:
Temperance, 5 or Swords, Wheel of Fortune

So, it ain't going to be easy, Some conflict but then a peaceful outcome. If my interpretation is correct.

Lots of warnings here to look up: http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum29/HTML/000172.html
. Will be careful. xx

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posted May 06, 2015 10:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leeloo, wanted to share something with you....

A couple of weeks ago, I tried one those free tarot readings on Bitwine given by new readers. I asked about the bf (what else!) and got an interesting response. This reader was an empath/intuitive. Here's an excerpt:

"Cards: The Tower, Seven of Cups and Nine of Swords

Looks as though there is a cleansing coming up for you. The Tower is indicating to me that there will be a proverbial Big Explosion in your life and this will include many things....not just your relationship. Some long held ideas that you have had about life are about to change. This cleansing has been long in the making. You have needed it for a very long time. It will happen despite you..it is not something you can stop. It is necessary. It will change your view on the world. It will be completely different from what you believed before, and it is good for all concerned..."

Sounds good, eh? Well, this got me inspired and I thought I needed to help the process along somewhat . Hence the search for a mantra.

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posted May 07, 2015 07:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Thank you for the links, AK

Shouldn't the interpretation have been about the relationship?

I think the spread may show an inability to make up one's mind (from one side or the other or both) which causes significant stress and pain (9 of sw) to the point that the person needs a Tower.

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posted May 07, 2015 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Astro keen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

I think the spread may show an inability to make up one's mind (from one side or the other or both) which causes significant stress and pain (9 of sw) to the point that the person needs a Tower.


Yep, Leeloo! For both. Very good interp, as always.

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