posted September 26, 2002 04:47 PM           

Bases Loaded

posted September 26, 2002 04:49 PM           

The book says our Creator is only one, and no one else has created anything in the universe. Jackie, Genesis 1:26 is not a contradictory point. Itīs really easy to understand.

Please read John 1:3; New International Version says this way about Jesus: "Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made". These words give us the answer we are looking for; our Creator is God, "our Father" (Matthew 6:9). Jesus, the son, has been the worker, who has personally carried out all the work, "following the instructions" of his Father.

The Bible teaches that Jesus himself had been created by God. Revelation 3:14 (KJV)says Jesus is "the beginning of the creation of God"; That proves God is higher than Jesus, and he recognized that when saying: "my Father is greater than I" (John 14:28).

When God said "LET US...", He was talking to His son, who later became Jesus. This doesnīt mean that the son is a creator too, God gives the instructions and the son follows them. The "design" belongs to God; so He is the author, the true Creator. Itīs like the Bible itself: about 40 men wrote it, but the author is God. Therefore, the Book belongs to God.

posted September 26, 2002 09:01 PM           

Besides, to believe in anything, first I have to understand it.

I agree with Mary, when she says that we should know the Bible for making questions. I won't say that am a deep expert, but I know enough to do the questions that I do.
The Bible is one of my "cabecera"(sorry I don't know this word in english) books for many years.

Once again I would like to thank your attention and if it doesn't bother you, I would like to know if I can make more questions...

Thanks Mary to give us a chance to discuss about The Book !

posted September 26, 2002 09:18 PM           

Great isn't it ?

Jackie

posted September 27, 2002 08:49 AM           

Jackie, please, you must know I like to share information about the Book. I see the Bible as a treasure, and the best way to enjoy a treasure is sharing with other people, donīt you agree? That collection of books includes a lot of information written for all humankind (Facts 10:34,35). Prophecies, history, hope, instructions, Godīs personality, Jesusī role in Godīs purposes, etc. are explained there. If I found this treasure, how could I keep it hidden? "Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl" (Matthew 5:15).

Donīt worry, Jackie. Anyway I can help you, just tell me; And Iīm sure youīll say the same to me. Thank you again.

posted September 27, 2002 10:58 AM           

Adam and Eve weren't the only people on the earth... Some people ask where did Cain's wife come from well correct me if I am wrong here but, Gen 1:27 he created male and female. This is written before the story of Adam and Eve by the way..

What was the Mark he placed on Cain does any one know?Gen. 4:15

Adam lived 930 yearsGen 5:5 Does He mean actuall time or does he mean Adam's blood line? Or is their calculation of years different from ours?

posted September 27, 2002 01:16 PM           

Precisely, I start with this question, an old question that has already been answered many times. Gen 5:4 says: "After Seth was born, Adam lived 800 years and had other sons and daughters". Therefore, Cainīs wife could be a sister or even a niece.
That was not a problem then, but the fulfillment of Godīs command: īGod blessed them (Adam and Eve) and said to them, "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue"ī (Gen. 1:28).
Starting from only two humans, the earth would gradually be filled. Genetically, no problem for Cainīs sons; they were close to human perfectness. Remember that Eve herself had the same Adamīs genes; she was made with "one of the man's ribs" (Gen. 2:21).

The favour for Abel was not due to the offering itself, but to his heartīs desire. God does not eat meat, nor vegetables. Later we can see Abel was much more obedient than Cain. Cainīs heart was full of bitterness, even hate. He was bad tempered anyway. In the full narration it is obvious.

In the same way, the mark could be a symbolic word used by Moses to represent a type of protection. He had to be protected due to the purpose of God about filling the planet. If the mark was visible, I think thereīs no way to know what it exactly was.

And Adam did live 930 years. Moses was who wrote Genesis. In Mosesīdays, the year was 360 days long, with some changes and corrections some times. Nevertheless, if we supposed that 930 years really meant, for instance, 93 years (to mention our actuality), that would be out of place, because Kenan would be 7 years old instead of 70 when his son Mahalalel was born, and Mahalalel would be 6.5 instead of 65 when Jared was born, etc. (Gen 5:12,15). Is everything clear now? Let me know soon, please. Thanks.

Now, I also want to ask you something: Adam was created, he didnīt come from any woman. What about his navel? Was it on his belly, or he didnīt have any one? Interesting?

Bases Loaded

posted September 27, 2002 05:34 PM           

1 Corinthians 13:1,13

Love

If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal.
If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames, but have not love, I gain nothing.
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.
For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears.
When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me.
Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

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John 1:1,4

The Word Became Flesh

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
He was with God in the beginning.
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
In him was life, and that life was the light of men.
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...Beautiful...
Jackie

posted September 28, 2002 10:12 AM         

In order to find the true meaning of many Biblical stories/symbologies, one MUST look to information that the current Bible simply does not contain. Actually, the information is there, but is veiled and incomplete. Please do not take this as a Bible-bashing, because the book IS good!

I have ben studying Sumerian texts that pre-date the current Biblical interpretations, and it is obvious that Genesis is taken from these.

I do not have time to make all the points I wish, but here is one to start with.

This is taken from the Sumerian "Enuma Elish" - the Epic of Creation. The text is written in cuneiform - pre-Hebraic - on clay tablets, dating to times before Moses. It is about the "mark of Cain."

Judge for yourself.

"Indeed, let Ka-in's life be spared, to the ends of the Earth let him be banished!

So did Marduk (Ra), from anger to laughter changing, to his father say.

In Eridu judgement upon Ka-in by Enki was pronounced:

Eastward to a land of wandering for his evil deed Ka-in must depart,

That his life must be spared, he and his generations shall be distinguished!

By Ningishzidda (Thoth) was the life essence of Ka-in altered:

That his face a beard shall not grow, Ka-in's life essence Ningishzidda changed.

With his sister Awan as a spouse Ka-in from the Edin departed, to the Land of Wandering he set his course."

The "mark of Cain" is a genetic marker. The Eastern lands are the Americas.

What do you think?

posted September 28, 2002 10:37 AM         

"Now this is the account of how the Primitive Worker was created,

How Enki and Ninmah, with Ningishzidda assisting, the Being fashioned.

Another way the admixture of essences to attain must be tried, Ninmah was saying.

How the two strands of essences to combine another way must be found,

That which from the Earth is the portion must not be harmed.

To receive our essence in graduations it must be shaped,

From the ME formulas of Niburu's esence only bit by bit could be attempted!

In a crystal vessel Ninmah an admixture was preparing, the oval of a female two-legged she gently placed,

With ME Annunaki seed containing, she the oval impregnated;

That oval back into the womb of the two-legged female she inserted.

This time there was conceiving, a birth was indeed forthcoming!"

Remember, this text is written upon a clay tablet, at least 6,000 years old.

posted September 28, 2002 12:38 PM           

Please,don't remain in silence...

posted September 28, 2002 12:50 PM           

Thanks for your explanation.
I agree that we should read, not only the Bible, but any book that has a spiritual content with "spiritual eyes".

posted September 28, 2002 01:43 PM           

When CNN has to report an earthquake, do they have to wait until CBS publishes the news, and then copy it? We know they both publish almost simultaneously; then we read them and draw conclusions.

With Genesis and that Sumerian text we can do the same: letīs compare them and draw conclusions. You know Genesis (and the rest of the Bible is the MOST SINGULAR BOOK of those ancient civilizations. Genesis narrates everything supporting the idea that thereīs only ONE God. Sumerian book (and many other ancient books) mention many gods and goddesses: Tiamat, Tiamut, Apsu, Lahmu, Lahamu, Ansar, Kisar, Anu, Apru..., etc.

The teachig about "only one God" is quite singular and different in an ancient religious book. I know you agree in this, donīt you?

Egyptian culture should be more influential for Moses, due to he has lived there for 40 years and "was educated in all the wisdom of the Egyptians" (Facts 7:22) .However we see the pentateuch is really different enough. Again Egyptians had alot of gods; they worshiped almost anything: bull, frog, heavenly bodies, Nile,Pharaoh... their gods were represented by sculptures and idols; that was forbidden by Moses.

Read the medical instructions described by the Papyrus of Ebers, an Egyptian document. It mentions a poultice made with human excrement and fresh milk for the wounds. But Moses ordered other use for excrements (Deut. 23:13).

Those are good examples to prove the Bible offers a particular message. Regards.