posted October 22, 2003 09:58 PM         

As far as blaming God for their troubles I think that people need to expand their viewpoints and perspectives and then they would see things more clearly.
Personally, I think that the "devil" or "Satan" does exist. Why do you guys not believe in the "devil"?

posted October 23, 2003 02:36 AM         

I absolutely love God! Not for what s/he does, but because I exist! The worst thing I think about life is pain, but even this can be a way to feel life even more. I know this is a touchy subject, but I just think God has devine wisdom and oh so much magic. I also think this is the one thing that does not have a yang (or ying). The one true singularity. Evil is what we are subjected to as tests for how (who) we cope...

Just me,
Dean.

posted October 25, 2003 01:17 PM         

In reality, we are interconnected with each other and a loving, omnipotent God. In God's domain there is only love - After all, why would an all powerful God have the presence of "evil"(ego stuff of us missing the mark- or wayward action) in his "house"? That's why learning stuff happens here in this dimension, it cannot possibly exist in the light,love, and perfection of God.I do not even believe that God judges us. We are simply projecting our human ego stuff onto God. We judge ourselves and each other - endlessly.

It is our goal to join together and raise mass consciousness and allow heaven to exist on earth. God is eternally patient and waits for us, watching us miss our mark, stumble while we are learning, judging, mistake after mistake. We are eternally loved - never condemned.

Evil - the devil is equivalent to the man behind the curtain in the Wizard of Oz. It's the ego/bully threatening ourselves to behave a certain way because it's threatened by us possibly waking up and figuring out that we are divine beings. If we realize our true nature then it's afraid of it's ending. So it works hard to keep us asleep and it recruits other like-minded beings to collaborate. But in the mind of God it's not even real!

We are all simply learing and God is incredibly patient.In my church we have an affirmation -- There is ONE presence and ONE power in my life and in the Universe, God the good omnipotent. There is no acknowledgement of two powers - There is only one.
And to briefly touch on the person who got Cancer though talented and accomplished. I know this is a very difficult and painful experience that I would never wish onto anyone, but in every experience or adversity there lies a lesson and a possibilty of tremendous growth. I know the worst things that have ever happened to me had a blessing in disguise.

posted October 29, 2003 11:53 PM         

As for my fellow humans... if they bif, there's no reason for me not to blame them, though frequently mistakes are caused by nobody... "It was nobody's fault."

posted November 16, 2003 10:36 PM         

You know, I think that "physical" ( the word "physical" used here to indicate proven science) science and spirituality are the same or parallels. Scientific advancement without it's parallel knowledge is only a small part of what it could be. Science is able to show us the way but only if we pursue the knowledge fully without discounting it's spiritual aspects.

posted July 28, 2004 08:56 PM         

I don't know that anyone can "scientifically" prove astrology either. It's all a lot of heresay. There is no proof that astrology is legitimate. The planets are just overgrown rocks that float around in outerspace. How could a bunch of rock fragments tell us anything about the life that an individual, millions of miles away, is living? What a ridiculous conjecture...astrology HA! Next thing you'll be telling me that you can steal people's voices and put it on little pieces of ribbon and hear what they said last week. You guys and your crazy ideas.

Anyway, just because you can't prove something doesn't mean that it isn't true. Try to prove that you are in love with someone. How are you supposed to do that, tell them or never cheat on them or whatever? That doesn't prove anything man, there are way too many variables that could be equally possible based on that behavior.

There are a lot of things that you can't prove, is that your real reason?

posted July 29, 2004 04:24 AM         

I don't believe in evil in the traditional sense, but rather think it's a form of extreme irreversible madness (however I still believe evil must be resisted and removed whenever possible) - I do believe in negative energies, which I think could be perhaps manipulated by people w/ various complexes (egomania, narcissism, megalomania, etc). But still no satan.

I believe astrology works because of gravitational pull at a molecular level. Just because you can't measure it, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Two hundred years ago one couldn't measure magnetism or electricity, and yet still they existed. Our bodies are 50-65% water - not to mention other things that could be affected by magnetism, cosmic rays/energy, who knows.

Also, I think just because one body (earth) exerts more gravity here than another body (pluto) doesn't mean that one overrides the other, rendering one ineffectual. No matter what, we are all children of the earth, we are all human borne of things produced through processes of the earth, and thus affected by it fundamentally - hence the similarities that we all share (physiological, 'human nature', etc). The rest (the differences, subtle and otherwise) IMO can be ascribed to culture and astrology.

I've always felt that God was an all-encompassing energy. We are all synapses and it's what connects us all. As for being interconnected however, analogously I think perhaps we are all islands, floating in a vast sea, that sea being the energy that is God, which both surrounds our islands and rains down upon us; sometimes our islands intersect, bump into each other, and we connect, sometimes we attach, sometimes we build a bridge, sometimes we float away. We try and direct our islands as we will, being often ignorant of currents, swells, etc. Unfortunately few of us remember how to swim, so not many jump into the water for any length of time, let alone venture out of sight of land. We're afraid. Of different things maybe, but afraid all the same, so we sit on our islands, feeling the cool rain upon our heads, looking out upon a vast azure sea, lamenting at how disconnected we are from the water - some going so far as to say that the water doesn't even exist. That's my take anyhow.

I've never met anyone who blamed God for their ills. As far as illnesses like cancer go, I believe they're largely energy-based (in many cases also environmental), and thus largely self-caused (there are of course exceptions, like working in a factory in which a cancer-causing toxin is used, and no one is warned about it in order to take precautions...)

But I've meandered too much so I'll stop now

posted July 29, 2004 03:55 PM         

I just think that some things can't always be proved at the moment and I thought that what you were saying about no fact didn't make any sense and that you weren't being straight about what you thought about it.

I believe in God for the record and I believe in Love for the record.

posted July 29, 2004 10:37 PM         

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I agree with the assesment that most misery is self-caused, not satanically motivated, nor punishment for some misstep.

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posted August 28, 2004 11:55 PM         

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if you have ever loved somebody you have so much understanding and forgiveness. YOu don't want to punish them for some infraction; you want to bring them to see what it is that they have done so that through understanding their behavior can change and your bond can be stronger Or Whatever. Punishment, seems to me to be for personal satisfaction. That is what I think. That isn't the nature of Love. God is Love. Change of behavior through intimidation doesn't seem to be right.

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posted September 03, 2004 06:51 PM         

As for this ego stuff im not to sure yet but is it all bad? The serpent eating its own tail comes to mind, positive negative feeding off each other. everything has a positive and a negative so why surpress the negative when all you need do is re-direct it.
Just a thought im following at the moment

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posted September 03, 2004 08:05 PM         

Mike I think that to suppress the negative might not be the thing to do either, I think that the "negative" should just be re-directed to become positive. I was following the thought that maybe evil is just a parasite force because it could not really exist without twisting/shifting the positive (if I explained that properly). What is needed is a re-direction.