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Trish
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Thank you, Fayte...I appreciate that. It's good to have contact with you -- and it's wonderful that all of us who have been so profoundly influenced and inspired by Linda have such a place to discuss such "secrets". I had been under the impression that I was simply eccentric and had no idea there were so many of us... I just discovered this site in the last 6 months. I bought "Gooberz" at a bookstore, and typed Linda's name into Google. I couldn't believe all the stuff that came up. I've never participated in anything like Lindaland before. "Hello" to you all...from Las Vegas! It's soooo hot here...

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I haven't used a "ouija board" but i have used an angel board it looks almost like the ouija one.When i did use it years' ago i asked about a very famous celeb when she was going to pass away and the board told me 30 something, years' later this very famous woman died.When i asked the board can you give me the lottery numbers it always said goodbye so i guess the forces want to keep some people poor.

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posted August 12, 2006 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
As some of you mentioned, I think it is vital to know what you are doing; otherwise, stay away. Especially, if one is not knowledgeble in that area.

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posted August 15, 2006 09:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
I haven't read the rest of the replies but I think Ouija Boards are bad news. They may be made by Milton Bradley but my sister and myself believe that anything that is imitated takes on the same power as the err...imitat-ee (I don't know I couldn't come up with a good word ). I believe they come from Africa-probably from West Africa, I'm not sure if they're used in Mocambique. Anyways, all jokes aside, I wanted one as child and my mother declined over and over again saying the same thing I saying now.

A friend in highschool had got one to mess with and afterwards her house was chaotic. It was like she had opened some kind of portal to the un-dead;in her own home. Only these spirits, entities, or whatever people call them were downright evil. There were dishes breaking when she was alone in her house, things being tossed around, and all sorts of other "things". I know it sounds like a movie but its the truth. The poor girl was so scared. Everything only stopped when one day she was so angry with everything that was going on in the house that she broke the board in half.

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posted August 15, 2006 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
I also want to say that I went over this thread and some of you who may disagree with me have made some very valid points. The ouija board is bad news....in idle hands. I think my friend should never have "messed" with it and she probably agrees. In fact, she regrets mocking around with it to this day.


It may sound silly but just talking about it right now is giving me the creeps (yes, I'm VERY superstitious). So be that as it may, I will never go anywhere near the Oiuja. I'm already neptunian and I absorb vibes and moods (and sometimes I think maybe auras too) like a psychic sponge, I don't think I want a taste of mediumistic abilities too; thank you very much.

I did a Concept paper in my nightclass on the Tarot (which was alot of fun). Maybe I should do my argumentative paper on this one. I still believe these boards come from West Africa, even the name sounds West African-maybe Nigerian.

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Definitions of OUIJA on the Web:

(French, oui: "yes"; German, ja: "yes"): A divination tool with the alphabet and numbers laid out on a board. Also called a Spirit Board.
a board with the alphabet on it; used with a planchette to spell out supernatural messages
wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

Ouija (pronounced wee-juh or wee-jee) refers to the belief that one can receive messages during a séance by the use of a Ouija board (also called a talking board or spirit board) and planchette. The fingers of the participants are placed on the planchette which then moves about a board covered with numbers, letters and symbols so as to spell out messages.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouija

History
The use of talking boards has roots in the modern Spiritualism movement that began in The United States in the mid-19th century. Methods of divination at that time used various ways to spell out messages, including swinging a pendulum over a plate that had letters around the edge or using an entire table to indicate letters drawn on the floor. Often used was a small wooden tablet supported on casters. This tablet, called a planchette, was affixed with a pencil that would write out messages in a fashion similar to automatic writing. These methods may predate modern Spiritualism.

During the late 1800s, planchettes were widely sold as a novelty. In 1890, businessmen Elijah Bond and Charles Kennard had the idea to patent a planchette sold with a board on which the alphabet was printed, and thus had invented the first Ouija board. Bond was an attorney and inventor of other objects. An employee of Kennard, William Fuld took over the talking board production and in 1901, he started production of his own boards under the name "Ouija" [1].

The Fuld name would become synonymous with the Ouija board, as Fuld reinvented its history, claiming that he himself had invented it. Countless talking boards from Fuld's competitors flooded the market and all these boards enjoyed a heyday from the 1920s through the 1960s. Fuld sued many companies over the "Ouija" name and concept right up until his death in 1927. In 1966, Fuld's estate sold the entire business to Parker Brothers, who continues to hold all trademarks and patents. About 10 brands of talking boards are sold today under various names [2]. See also: Ka-Bala

How is it done?
A Ouija board is operated by one or more users. They place the planchette on the board and then rest their fingers on the planchette. The users start by moving the planchette around the board and speaking to the entity (or entities) they wish to summon; they then begin asking questions of it. Eventually the planchette will come to rest on one letter after another, spelling out a message. Often an additional participant records the messages on paper. As with automatic writing, the messages are often vague and open to interpretation, or complete gibberish.

Some talking boards have words or phrases written on them to simplify the interpretation of the messages. Tarot, zodiac, and other esoteric symbols are frequently incorporated into talking board's design, along with dramatic and mystical artwork. Some users prefer to improvise their own Ouija board. They may use a sheet of paper with the alphabet written on it or lettered cards placed around a table, together with an object like an overturned glass or coin as the indicator. Hand-made Ouija boards produced by artists are valued by talking board enthusiasts and collectors.

Many users feel that the spirit with whom they are communicating is controlling their motions to guide their hands, spelling out messages. They see the board as a tool or medium through which they communicate with the spirit realm. These believers often take offense at the dismissal of the talking board as merely a game. Other users contend that they are in control of their own actions, but that the talking board allows communication with their inner psychic voice or subconscious.

Some proponents of Ouija boards claim the activity is harmless fun. Others believe that they are communicating with spiritual entities but there is no harm in doing so provided that basic guidelines are followed. These rules often vary from user to user, but usually include things like never playing alone, beginning and ending a séance "properly", and always using the board in a "comfortable" environment. Numerous superstitions surround Ouija board use, including the alleged indestructiveness of the board.

Scientific approach
The accepted theory is that the participants are subconsciously making small, involuntary, physical movements using a well-known, and well-understood, phenomenon called the Ideomotor effect. Experiments consistently suggest that, at best, the messages are received involuntarily from the participants themselves, and, at worst, by a manipulative player, possibly with the connivance of confederates within the group present.

Skeptic and magician James Randi, in his book An Encyclopedia of Claims, Frauds, and Hoaxes of the Occult and Supernatural, points out that when blindfolded, Ouija board operators are unable to produce intelligible messages. Magicians Penn & Teller performed a similar demonstration in an episode of their television show ******** ! Of course this does not prove that the operator is consciously moving the planchette, only that they must see the board, which could still be consistent with both paranormal and psychological explanations.

Criticism of Ouija boards
Although Ouija boards are viewed by some as a positive spiritual device or a simple toy, there are people who believe they can be harmful, including Edgar Cayce, who called them "dangerous." Religious critics warn that evil demons pretend to be cooperative ghosts in order to trick players into becoming spiritually possessed.

Some practitioners claim to have had bad experiences related to the use of talking boards by being haunted by demons, seeing apparitions of spirits, and hearing voices after using these boards. A few Paranormal researchers, such as John Zaffis, claim that the majority of the worst cases of demon harassment and possession are caused by the use of Ouija boards.

Many Christians believe that using a Ouija board allows communication with demons, which is Biblically forbidden as a form of divination. Some people who claim to have been oppressed by evil spirits after using a board say that they could only get rid of these problems after Christian deliverance. Many Christians also believe that no dead person's soul can be summoned, and that the only summoned spirits are demons who are trying to harm humans.

Parapsychologist Martin Ebon in his book Satan Trap: Dangers of the Occult, states:

"It all may start harmlessly enough, perhaps with a Ouija board. [...] The Ouija will often bring startling information, [...] establishing credibility or identifying itself as someone who is dead. It is common that people who get into this sort of game think of themselves as having been "chosen" for a special task. [...] Quite often the Ouija turns vulgar, abusive or threatening. It grows demanding and hostile, and sitters may find themselves using the board [...] compulsively, as if "possessed" by a spirit, or hearing voices that control or command them."

Additionally, the late Roman Catholic priest Malachi Martin believed talking boards are dangerous and claimed that by using these devices a person opens themselves to demonic oppression or possession, topics upon which Martin spoke and wrote extensively for many years.

An example of the dangers of talking boards is the subject of the novel The Exorcist. Both the novel and the film of the same name are based on a story of a demon possession, caused by use of talking boards. The spirit in this story was removed by a Roman Catholic exorcist.

See also: Christian views on witchcraft


13 Ghosts (1960) begins with a not so typical Ouija Board session in the Zorba living room.
Literature
Talking boards appear in countless books and movies. Their role in such varies from being a benign object to an evil entity. This demonstrates what an iconic part of culture the game has become. A more peculiar role of talking boards in literature stems from authors using the board to channel complete written works from the deceased.

In the early 1900s, St. Louis housewife Pearl Curran used her Ouija board communications with the ubiquitous spirit Patience Worth to publish a number of poems and prose. Pearl claimed that all of the writings came to her through séances, which she allowed the public to attend. In 1917 writer Emily G. Hutchings claimed to have communicated with and written a book dictated by Mark Twain from her Ouija board. Twain's survivors went to court to halt publication of the book that was later determined a hoax.

Since the 1970s, author Jane Roberts has transcribed text channeled from what she described as an "energy personality essence" named Seth. Topics attributed to Seth discuss the nature of physical reality, the origins of the universe, the theory of evolution, the many-worlds interpretation, the Christ story, and the purpose of life among other subjects and form a collection of more than 10 books and a number of videos and audio recordings.

Author John Fuller used a Ouija board in his research for his 1976 book The Ghost of Flight 401. As he was skeptical of its effectiveness, he worked with a medium and claimed they both contacted Don Repo, the flight engineer on the flight which crashed into the Everglades en route to Miami. According to Fuller, the information divined described facts that neither he nor the medium previously knew.

More recently, Pulitzer Prize winning poet James Merrill used a Ouija board and recorded what he claimed were messages from a number of deceased persons. He combined these messages with his own poetry in The Changing Light at Sandover (1982).

Etymology
The term "Ouija" is derived from the French "oui" (for "yes") and the German "ja" (also for "yes"). An alternative story suggests the name was revealed to inventor Charles Kennard during a Ouija séance and was claimed to be an Ancient Egyptian word meaning "good luck," although this is known to be incorrect. It has also been suggested the word was inspired by the name of the Moroccan city Oujda.

Despite its common usage, "Ouija" is a trademark and the word should be capitalized when used in print.

Derived Uses of the Name
In the technique of directional drilling, a mechanical calculator was used to perform calculations necessary to solve "how do I get 'there' from 'here'" problems. This board has traditionally been nicknamed a "Ouija Board." These calculations are done by computers these days, but often the name persists as the public or internal name of the relevant module.

In US Navy, "ouija board" is an informal term for the scale model of an aircraft carrier flight deck used by flight launch and recovery officers as a visual aid to manage launch and recovery stacking of aircraft on the flight deck.

Weegee was the pseudonym of Arthur Fellig, an American photographer and photojournalist.
http://www.museumoftalkingboards.com/
http://www.museumoftalkingboards.com/history.html
http://www.museumoftalkingboards.com/ancient.html
http://www.dragonoak.com/Spiritboards/Thebanr.html
http://www.pointsoflight.com/quija_boards.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouija

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posted April 14, 2007 07:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for libraschoice7     Edit/Delete Message
Wow, I wish I had this info when I was 12, I kept asking my mom to buy me one. And she reluctantly bought it for me, I played with it a few times alone and with friends. One of the neighborhood kids told me it was a bad thing to have around, and I thought she was full of it at the time. Now as an adult my advice is use at your own risk!

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posted April 14, 2007 09:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
It is a very valuable tool in the hands of an adept.
But it is not a toy.
Using it as a toy or for idle amusement is like buying a state of the art expensive computer, and using it only for e-mail, or to play solitare on, or in lieu of a typwriter or word processor.
For the most part folks with no inate mediumnistic ability will only get nonsense, from their own subconcious, and scare themselves silly.

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Funny that I just came across this thread. Just a few days ago my sister (17) was saying how she and a friend wanted to get a Ouija board and take it out to an old abandoned house one night this summer. I discouraged her, and told her that under NO circumstances was she to bring it into my mother's house. Of course, being 17 years old she just brushed me off.

I have never tried one, and never will. They creep me out. Period. I'm with Dulce on that. Watching and reading the Exorcist is what initially scared the crap out of me with these things, but I've also got friends who have told me some pretty frightening stories about them. Even reading these posts gives me the willies. I think Fayte brought up many good points. It takes a very stable person, with much experience and knowledge to use these types of tools. I would say that the vast majority of people should not mess with them. I have always had an over active imagination, and regardless of whether or not something was real or actually happening, I know that my own mind is what could end up pushing me over the edge. That isn't worth it, and that definitely puts me into the category of "people who should not mess with Ouija boards."

I'm going to try and get my sister to read this thread...

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posted April 15, 2007 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
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I think Fayte brought up many good points. It takes a very stable person, with much experience and knowledge to use these types of tools. I would say that the vast majority of people should not mess with them. I have always had an over active imagination, and regardless of whether or not something was real or actually happening, I know that my own mind is what could end up pushing me over the edge. That isn't worth it, and that definitely puts me into the category of "people who should not mess with Ouija boards."

EXTREMELY WISE of you!

I walked out of the theatre when I went with friends to see The Exorcist.
That had to be one of the stupidest most idiotic ridiculous piece of blithering tripe I have ever seen. I watched it all years later when Re-Posessed" the spoof of it came out, just to compare them both.

IF there is evil, it would take an easy target, not a kid.
Evil is in my onpinion Lazy and would not want to work for its "fun".
Anyhow......
Ouija boards are only a bad thing in the hands of folks who are not sure of their own self identity or who "play" with things they have no business messing with.
The boards are no more evil than a crystal or a deck of cards, or a scrying mirror.
Like draws like automatically. A soul of pure intent can call out to the disturbed souls, to help them, but will not be subverted by such a disturbed lost or misguided one. But the novice or one doing it for kicks and a spooky spooky experience, may well get far more than they wanted or even expected could be. Leave it alone, unless this is what you do seriously and in your life(soul rescue/contact) and have a solid self identity.
It is not a toy.

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Fayte, I have to hand it to you, you must have an INFINITE amount of self control and self awareness. The Exorcist scared the bejesus out of most of the people I know (myself included). The book was worse. I first tried reading it when I was 16...got through the first chapter and threw it across the room. Didn't pick it up again until last summer, and I managed to finish it. I've seen the film so many times now that it doesn't bother me like it used to, but I see it more now as a remarkable piece of filmmaking. Ellen Burstyn's acting in it is superb, as is Jason Miller's. William Friedkin often fired gunshots on set without warning to evoke a "shock and awe" effect on the actors...obviously it worked.

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My logic jumps in. I get too busy analyzing to be afraid or freaked out. Fasination doth drive out fear.
I found "Stigmata" far more palatable.
Still too Hollywood Hokey in scenes, but an interesting movie.

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Patricia Arquette was awesome in that movie, she is on my favorite actresses list. Now shes on that show 'Medium'. A bit out of the ordinary from her usual sensual type roles in movies like 'Goodbye Lover'.

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posted April 16, 2007 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
I just watched The Exorcist: The Beginning (made in 2004) last night with my gramps and bf on Spike TV and we all thought it was ridiculous. Me and my grandfather especially because they tried to play on various old Tribal superstitions that we already knew about (The movie was set in East Africa). And It was the way they played on them that was sooooooo stupid; no wonder it only got one star. And then besides that, it had all the typical scary movie cliches. (make all sorts of noises and what have you)


And Btw, I also watched Stigmata in 2000 and thought it was great! But holy crap, I got sympathy pains for the main character.....ouch!

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posted April 16, 2007 07:50 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for fayte.m     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah in The Exorcist, the barfing of oatmeal mush colored green with jello was just tooooo silly!

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posted April 17, 2007 06:33 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
I've never actually seen that movie (The First Exorcist) but I've seen clips of it. It actually looks like some sort of Pea Soup. Bleckkk!

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