posted October 31, 2004 09:52 PM         

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Woe only to those who die in mortal sin; but blessed are those who have done Your most holy will; for the second death can cause them no harm!

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See, I'm thinking the second death may only come after a mortal sin. If you don't die of mortal sin, then you can't die twice, and hence... hey, I just realized - if you sin mortally or not, to understand Christ is to be "born again" and hence the first death to who you were. The second death applies to all people who are born again as mortal death (as you said). So this enforces the christian belief that we are born with sin, and will die with mortal sin unless we are botn again, in which case we will not feel pain (or be caused harm)! Sometimes it is a good idea to question things hey? If I didn't, I wouldn't have realised any of that. I can't help but think though that being born with sin doesn't bode well with me. If Francis believed that, then I could understand even more why he was the patron saint of animals

Mystic, yes, it's tricky to understand now what occured in this post, but that's OK. Posts always take there own lives as delegated by there ruling druids. I agree anyhow with you that Buddhism and Christianity go back to back. They were both people that loved everything and seemed to hold great respect for animals. I don't think Buddha ever claimed to be God, but he implied that God was in all things, and hence, he would be saying he was God, but I never got the impression he wanted anyone to worship him. I mean, this is what I currently understand and could be wrong. Jesus on the other hand could also be said to have the exact same views - there are so many statments which imply we are all one. He is as special as the lowest beggar. And yet, beggars don't necessarilly teach us to see this, so we revere Jesus as higher than most people. This is understandable, we are human, but Ultimately, we are all one.

Jesus is Buddha. I am You. God is All.

On a slightly different note, I had friends in school that followed Buddha, while I "followed" christianity as I was raised somewhat. Anyhow, I love the differences of people and their view points. I dislike how people must compete with these things. What is to gain from this? If you consider they both say the same things, you realise God is teaching through many schools. You are no better than anyone else, and yet, you are the most special being in this universe. If you view everything else like this, then the world could be an even more beautiful place.

posted October 31, 2004 11:05 PM         

Too many things to do so little time.

posted October 31, 2004 11:09 PM         

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Woe only to those who die in mortal sin; but blessed are those who have done Your most holy will; for the second death can cause them no harm!
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Mortal sin. Could that be the Nafs burdening the Soul and choking it from our Beloved?

The most high will. Perhaps by freezing the Nafs and freeing Soul to soar to Her?

Second death, no harm. One Dances with the Beloved and has no fear of death and the human perception of it as the end?

You help me spiral and I thank you.

Love,

posted October 31, 2004 11:23 PM         

http://www.spiritwalk.org/stfrancis.htm#biography

posted October 31, 2004 11:30 PM         

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Mortal sin. Could that be the Nafs burdening the Soul and choking it from our Beloved?

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If the Beloved you speak of is God, then I'd say yes. Anything Mortal is of our physical body - which seems to be polluted by nafs, hence, Mortal sins are anything that burdens this and chokes us.

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The most high will. Perhaps by freezing the Nafs and freeing Soul to soar to Her?

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Yes. CWG says we sleep so our soul can go to the all and have some rest. It is very tired being confined in our tight bodies for just a few hours a day. Apparantly, the more you do the willing of your soul, the less sleep you require. I think I read somewhere that saints sleep little.

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Second death, no harm. One Dances with the Beloved and has no fear of death and the human perception of it as the end?

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I love your phrase "the human perception of it". In fact, I have just read at lunch that evolved souls do not fear death at all. If one was attacked by a lesser being, they will just shed their skin and leave. They do not really require even their bodies. Obi Wan Kinobi was mentioned

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You help me spiral and I thank you.

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posted October 31, 2004 11:42 PM         

So Juni is not wrong, she is correct about her definition. May she chose those words from getting axed.

Oops...I am on a sexual purity spree, and I just reacted abruptly. Hmmm better watch what I say, could press the wrong button.

PEACE.