posted January 28, 2005 06:18 PM         

I'd like to hear what you all think about karma...how does it fit into your life? How do you see it personally from your own experience?
Remember nothing is wrong in your views. It comes down to your own perspective.

In my view karma is best defined as a law. A law of the natural harmony of nature, a balance of all things.
Without the balance of Karma, there would be no evolution.
Karma is a form of energy, it cannot be proven with science alone. It does not need to be proven, as it already exists in the hearts and minds of all.
The Universe exists, space, time and matter also exists, without Life none of the latter would be altered. Without intellgence and imagination, space-time would not be altered.
Since life exists and thus alters everything it exists upon, a law is instilled through-out what IS to ensure a balance is maintained- hand in hand with the law of polarity.
Not a word spoken ceases to exists, sound travels through-out eternity and beyond. Energy from thoughts, to actions never cease to exist, they travel through-out eternity.
Not a single action goes without a cause and effect.
Karma encompasses all energy expelled.
There's no such thing as Good Karma, or Bad Karma. Karma is a neutral substance, a cyclic energy form that returns to it's point of origin. Nothing in this Universe is Good or Bad, it is our minds that make it so.
What goes around comes around to all that exists. Karma creates order out of chaos that life creates-

posted January 28, 2005 08:46 PM         

One question I have for you O' NeoKitty, is that if Karma is balance, then we wouldn't it be devolution as well as evolution? How about the Atlanteans? The remaining survivors must've devolved somehow to form our ancestors 12000 years ago. I mean, we didn't start with the battery. I was thinking about this actually while reading "Life, the Universe and Everything again". It talks about the Golgafrinchens who were the first people on Earth. These guys started with nothing, and hence had to start from scratch again. I mean, if you knew that gigabyte mp3 players exist, but were all of a sudden in pre-historic Earth, how would you go about making one? Sure, you'd understand how to make fire again, but many inventions would need time to reinvent the means to make them - factories etc. Um, where am I going? Oh yeah, devolution is experience as is evolution. Are you evolving now, or devolving? This instant speaks volumes of who you are and what you wish to create.

So, in summary, I currently think Karma is the instantaneous experience of the absoulte moment of NOW.

Heaps of Love,
Dean.

NB: Note that Evolve and Devolve contain Love? Love is IMO the fundamental escence of the moment. Without it, we are matter. With it, we are creations. You can create without it, but only Love gives you the ability to create your direction. I mean, if you want to do nothing, then so be it, but to change anything, you need love. Love of thyself. Love of the new self. Love of the process. Even Hate in its essence is love. Why did you want to change in the first place? Maybe because you hated what you've become, and this hate has stemmed from a love of who you want to be, ad infinitum.

posted January 28, 2005 11:34 PM         

Have you ever seen a handicap person (Not majorly, but minor such as limping while walking, otherwise normal though). The ones I have come to know personally, were so mean. Sorry to say that. I always wondered if these people really did something bad in past life to deserve it. And even if they did. Why the heck do they forget to learn the lesson and be nice?

No pun here, but I am highly intuitive about people I come in contact with. Its as if I know so much about them. I always curse myself for being judgemental in the end. But so what, may be its a gift from heaven

When Jesus came on earth. I am sure he would have run away seing lame and blinds and offerred benediction to ones he knew even his father would have wished to heal.
You cannot sell faith on streets as you would sell goods on streets.

Why is this discussion related to Karma? I do believe in the laws of cause and effect. Every thought (not only action) of yours will have an effect. There fore its necessary to keep it pure. Every pain and suffering is related to the past. Just as during winter solstice the day increases, but is not felt until march. Same way goes for our actions and thoughts. It will surely bear fruit. No act of charity would let that cup pass from you. This is contrary to what most religious teachers would teach you. But I find too much weight in that truth to reach that conclusion.

Our Maya world is so strong that even a entity with brilliance that of 1000 suns arrives in the maya world, his brilliance reduces to a brightness of a lantern.

(Am thinking to myself, Jesus must be filled with so much light. His transfiguration to his disciples reveals his true nature. A light so bright it would lit a whole football stadium. How brilliant must be his radiance when he is out of the Maya world.)

The buddhist believe that the state of Nirvana is achieved when the cause becomes 0 and therefore there is no effect. Its as if being stranded in isolation forever in eternity. When one calls such a person back, they would not return no matter how much we plead.

posted January 29, 2005 02:18 AM         

Yes since time doesn't exist i'd say what I'd do 'tommorrow' would have an effect not on today as we know it- but NOW.
So Karma is tied within us- not affected by time. I feel it is in the instant of Now too.

The answer to your question to me, I'd certainly agree it would be devolution as well.
I've never heard of the Golgafrinchens....woah! You know I always thought- how the heck would you design a Television from nothing. I mean say you went to another planet- where it was only the beginning- and you knew of Television and a radio ect.. Where would you start?
So I understand what point your making- even though I can't exactly put it in terms I feel comfortable with. If that makes sense.

ps.

Yes LOVEVOLVES!!!

I'll read the rest of the others thoughts soon- I'm learning lots!

posted January 29, 2005 02:35 AM         

For example: What measure you give. You would receive also or even more. But if you do not give what you can , what you have will be taken away.

posted January 29, 2005 09:50 AM         

a couple of years ago, i was stale.. got up, went to work, went home.. i was at that time reading the kryon channelings.. had just discovered them.. wanted to learn everything.. wanted to know it all NOW..
i essentially asked for time to speed up, experiencewise.. bring it on, i said..
did my life pick up pace? you betcha.. did i learn all of the lessons that life presented me during such a rapid existance? nope.. but what i didn't learn from, i don't think i would have l;earned from anyway.. sometimes we're just blind to things, even when we're walking with our eyes wide open.. sometimes the symbols don't make sence until later..

when i asked for a slowdown six months later, my guide told me "no. not yet"

i'm back to "normal" now..

posted January 29, 2005 10:48 AM         

I can´t explain it accurately, it´s more a feeling, a certainty from within... We don´t understand well how time and space interact... Time is another dimension, just like the other three we are familiar with... It must work in the same way... All of them must be identical... There could be even more dimensions all intertwined...

I believe, from a more intuitive point of view, that time is circular... What goes around, comes around... Karma is the force that keeps the equilibrium in the system...

Science is desperately trying to make sense out of all of it... Physicists talk about arrows of time, relativity of time, space-time curving due to the effect of forces like gravity... The string theory interprets our Universe as a “slice” that interacts with others... Every time those “slices” touch, there is a Big Bang... All that is hinting something much bigger...

Maybe the Universe is the whole system of “slices” and we are living at this moment in time in this one... Maybe souls can travel from one slice to another...

Time is not uniform, is not linear or absolute. Time is something we don´t understand. But time is...

We try to put order, we try to measure it to have an anchor... A linear time simplifies things... If it is like an arrow pointing to one direction, we can understand our evolution tying it to time... Our evolution is linear but time is not...

Therefore we talk about past or next lifetime as the previous or following one in our evolution path, when we knew less or will know more, when the imbalances we are balancing in this one where created or where we will balance the imbalances we are creating... But those could happen at any point of time or plane of existance... Our past lifetime could have happened when the human race colonises Mars and our next lifetime in Imperial Rome... Or even in realities we don´t conceive because they belong to another “slice”, to a parallel universe...

Going back to the initial question... I believe Karma is another name for Equilibrium... All events alter space-time, that´s what Physicists believe... Priciple of Uncertainty by Heisemberg, one of the pilars of modern Physics, postulates that we can´t determine the position and momentum of a particle at the same time... If we try to determine the position of a particle we need to see it... And trying to see it we alter its movement so now, we don´t know how exactly was moving before looking at it... There is a big truth hidden in this.... By existing we alter things...

All is energy... Mass is energy... Physical bodies and spiritual entities are energy... The difference is in the frequency... Our aura vibrates with a frequency, gives out and takes in energy from the surrounding field... That surrounding field is the universe and Karma keeps its equilibrium...

Actions and feelings are all translated into energy... Giving love leaves a void inside your micro-field that attracts that kind of energy back to you... The same with envy of evil actions... If you project good energy, good energy will be funneled towards you... What you give, you receive...

posted January 29, 2005 01:40 PM         

I found this statement of interest

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Have you ever seen a handicap person (Not majorly, but minor such as limping while walking, otherwise normal though). The ones I have come to know personally, were so mean. Sorry to say that. I always wondered if these people really did something bad in past life to deserve it. And even if they did. Why the heck do they forget to learn the lesson and be nice?

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I have 2 minor "handicaps" which you speak of which causes the limp also spoken of. I Pray I have never been intentionally mean to you or any other Soul .

Blessings,

posted January 29, 2005 02:03 PM         

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/001268.html

A few opinions there.

posted January 29, 2005 06:39 PM         

I am so sorry to hear about you. Didn't mean to hurt you. "Truth is subjective" as Tril pointed out. The last post was my subjective truth. Besides I reached a conclusion on what came out of their mouth (the words). I don't think you have said anything bad here for me to think that way of you.

I will tell you something that will give you courage. Have you ever wondered why they don't describe Jesus in the bible?
Why as a child he had to flee to Egypt?
Or even why people would not believe him even though he was the Son (or Sun) of God?
He defintely had a powerful voice.

Well I am convinced about his personal appearance. Don't mean to say plainly what I am thinking but would like to share a few thoughts. He would have purposefully incarnated on earth with a not a charming appearance. So did Krishna who was a dark child and even his dressing was not in vogue that time.

The problem is not in the object but the subject. Only a few can recognise a God when he comes in contact.

Juni, how have things been? No posts from you of late?

posted February 03, 2005 08:42 AM         

My understanding of Karma is that it is not distinct from the Christian doctrine of grace and the law. I dont believe that anyone ever does anything out of synch with the greater Law of Nature. Our confusion, and all our conflicts with ourselves, our environment, and others, arises from our ignorance of this fact; that we are not separate and distinct from God. Rather, "His" law is enscribed on our hearts. It is tailor-made to fit the dimensions of every heart. It is a living thing, which grows as we grow, and sheds its skin wherever it begins to pinch.

No one is more or less justified by The Law than any other, because each of us is answerable only to his/her own law (or conscience, awareness, ability, etc.), and nobody is in a position to govern anybody else, for that is to enforce his own law on another... "To his own master he shall stand or fall.... Let every man be persuaded in his own mind."

We each hearken to our own law, but we all obey the same "lawgiver". Ultimately, we can only be what we are. A cold heart cannot give warmth, and a warm heart cannot fail to do so. Only after enough love has gathered in a man's heart, can it begin to overflow. If he tries to pour it out by his own power, he will inevitably exhaust his supply, and begin to ask for it, nay, to demand it, back. Only in the natural springtime of his heart, can it bear fruit which is not bitter to the taste.

The rose imparts its fragrance effortlessly... The rose cannot force itself to bloom, or to emit its heady scent. When it is ready, these things shall all come to pass, with the changing of the seasons of the year.

posted February 04, 2005 02:20 PM         

When I finally remembered Karma, (because I believe everyone forgets from time to time…) I felt that I had finally found the “reason” for being here. Why hadn’t anyone told me about this? Why hadn’t my mother, father, grandparents, SOMEONE!… ANYONE have just TOLD ME THIS! I knew the common saying “what goes around comes around” and “do unto others…” but KARMA, beings it all together and gives you that comfort that good deeds ARE paying off, and YOU ARE in Gods image! YOU are creating your world, your eternity your past, present, and NOW. Karma was that missing puzzle piece, for me anyway.

I truly agree that misjudgments in this lifetime will in turn cause repercussion in the next. You mentioned being handicap, I totally agree. Not only in the sense of a limp, but in the mental sense too. What about alcoholism? What about drug addiction?

I believe that I am paying a debt to Karma in this lifetime… I went to get my wisdom teeth removed, and the dentist severed my lingual nerve. Causing permanent numbness and excruciating pain, (not to mention I kept biting my tongue.) This doesn’t happen very often, but in the past it was very common. So I literally felt like I was being punished! Why? In this day-in-age WHY? That is all I could ask myself… I still cannot feel anything on the left side of my mouth and half of my tongue, which causes a slight speech impediment. So when I reflect on Karma, and the constant question of “why did this happen to me?” all of the sudden it makes perfect since!

I HAVE A BAD MOUTH! LOL! I have a BIG mouth, and sometimes I start to talk, and vomit runs out of it! (Gross analogy, I know) Maybe being a Capricorn, with a rising sign of LEO, might have something to do with it! It is so true, though, I can’t deny it. Do I think I will have feeling in my mouth again? YES. Have I focused my energies in recognizing my debt? Not as much as I should, but every little counts, YES! Do I believe that I will heal when my "Karmatic" debt is repaid? Yes, I truly believe it. It will be in this lifetime. I also believe that I am not only paying this debt for past lifetimes but this lifetime as well. Simply: NOW!

Thanks for listening…

posted February 04, 2005 02:24 PM         

Love & Light

posted February 04, 2005 02:58 PM         

The outer world - our environment, experiences, the people we meet, etc. - is a reflection of the subconscious mind.
What you do not bring into the light of consciousness, comes to you, often against your (conscious) will.

The people you meet, like characters in a dream, are all aspects of yourself, which you need to learn how to integrate.

It is worth mentioning that a person's happiness or unhappiness in this life does not signify the sum total of their karma. There is far too much karma built up for it to reveal itself in a single lifetime. Hence, you know not what lies in store for you. Therefore, make the utmost of the good you have in this life. More than a reward, it is an opportunity which must not be taken for granted.

In fact, thinking in terms of punishment and reward is misguided and has nothing to do with karma. If you learn a lesson, if you integrate a truth, you will be "rewarded" with wisdom. If you have more to learn, you will be "punished" by having to stay back a grade, so to speak. But this is not a matter of credit and blame.

Ultimately, there is only one Cross, and one Karma, which we all must carry together, each of us supporting just that part of it our weakness requires and our strength permits.

posted February 04, 2005 03:20 PM         

In The Lord of the Rings, when Eeowyn is resltess and eager to go into battle and scared she will never get her chance, Aragorn assures her by saying that she was the daughter of Kings and should never doubt herself ... that her fate will find her and her time will arrive.

Later, Gandalf says to Frodo ... "All you can do is decide what to do with the time that is given to you."

I dont know why, but everytime I go back to this book, it affects me deeply and renews my passion for life and my purpose here. It makes me stop thinking and micro-analyzing and actually inspires me to go play my part in the great drama, without worrying abt balancing the scales. And being a Hindu, I am reminded of the message of the Bhagwad Gita ...

posted February 04, 2005 03:42 PM         

It got me thinking....

posted February 04, 2005 03:49 PM         

Eowyn, on the other hand, was a true maiden of iron ... she was brave, kind and very loving and ready to defend those she loved the most. She was a rebel, but a thinking rebel and was eager to fight for what she believed in ... afraid she would miss her shot at greatness. I admire women like her, and empathise with them, particularly because I have not been able to justify MY legacy as yet ...

posted February 04, 2005 10:33 PM         

Anyway, I believe karma is in the now. Everything you've done and everything that's done to you is where you are and who you are at this VERY MOMENT.