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ScorpioRising
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posted October 04, 2006 02:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpioRising     Edit/Delete Message
I believe in God wholeheartedly, but I have recently begun to wonder why God lets bad things happen to good people. I ask him now, because of the recent amish girl shootings. Why does God let the innocent suffer? I would love some insight from lindalanders here. thanks!

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silverstone
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posted October 04, 2006 02:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
Evil always wants to triumph over good. I will be back to share more ScorpioRising.

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark and deep.
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.- Robert Frost~

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Moon666Child
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posted October 04, 2006 07:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moon666Child     Edit/Delete Message
God is not a personal entity sitting up somewhere making or breaking things. God is that Universal Energy that permeates into everything and everyone. When we are born, we are empowered with the greatest power of all akin to "God", the Power to Choose, but how many humans do exercize this wonderful power? Add to this the Karmic Bondages, we have a perfect mixture of present day world. And also the money mongering maniacs out there destroying spiritual heritage in the name of religion, what else do we have to expect? And lo! those human messiahs too!

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lalalinda
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posted October 04, 2006 10:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for lalalinda     Edit/Delete Message
soothing words Moonie
thank you

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ScorpioRising
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posted October 06, 2006 12:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ScorpioRising     Edit/Delete Message
hmmm...anyone else care to comment as well?

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Wednesday
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posted October 06, 2006 09:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Wednesday     Edit/Delete Message
According to Sylvia Browne, the bad things that happened to us is something we've charted ourselves before we came down here, either for us to learn or for other people to learn.

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Mirandee
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posted October 06, 2006 09:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
I second what both Moon and silverstone said. It has to do with our free will, the choices we make and it has to do with the evil of this world which is in a constant battle against good of any kind.

God's permissive will is the hardest thing for human beings to understand. God allows things to happen to both good and bad people because God will not intervene in our free will. The man who killed the children in the Amish school chose to do that. It was his choice and he is paying for that choice now in the spiritual realm. Though I am not saying God condemned him to what we call hell because I don't know how culpable or responsible he was. Obviously he was not firing on all pistons.

The question you ask Scorp is one that really only God can answer. All we can do is speculate. But the permissable will of God, what he allows to happen, is the hardest thing for us humans to understand.

Though God does not intervene in our choices what God does is work to bring good out of all bad things. We see that in the Amish community who have not only stated they all forgive this man for what he did but they have been taking food, gifts from them, to all the relatives of this man who killed their children. A very good example for all of us. And the good God is bringing out of the evil act.

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mysticaldream
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posted October 06, 2006 09:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mysticaldream     Edit/Delete Message
Scorpio,
I think that is a great question!
I agree with what Moon said.
I was raised to see God as a sort of Santa Claus..... he rewarded good behavior and punished bad. We can see from the world around us that this is an overly-simplistic view that doesn't stand up to reality.
I believe each of us are here for a reason, with lessons to learn that are very individual. I don't know why those innocent girls were allowed to be murdered. I do believe a lot of times we are protected from harm if we will heed our inner voice.

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Heart--Shaped Cross
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posted October 06, 2006 03:43 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Heart--Shaped Cross     Edit/Delete Message
Confucious say: Sh!t Happens

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Mirandee
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posted October 06, 2006 03:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
Yeah, but everything that happens according to Einstein has to have a cause. Cause and effect is what he termed it.

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AcousticGod
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posted October 06, 2006 08:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message
It all began as a normal family day, Emily Keyes' parents say
By Ernie Tucker
Denver Post/9News Staff Writer
Article Last Updated:10/05/2006 11:01:48 PM MDT
In their first interview since the death of their daughter, Emily Keyes' parents described a day that began like many others - with a goodbye embrace.

The day ended as Emily's father watched helplessly while his fatally wounded child was wheeled away from Platte Canyon High School.

A week after the Sept. 27 siege, Ellen and John-Michael Keyes sat in their Bailey home, telling NBC's Meredith Vieira about the unfolding tragedy.

"We had an 'I love you' and a hug when they got out of the car," Ellen Keyes said. Emily had driven to school with her brother, Casey, and their mother as Red Hot Chili Peppers music blared, Ellen Keyes recalled.

Later, news reached the Keyeses about a gunman holding students hostage.

"I was in denial. I mean, well, maybe she's not there," John- Michael Keyes said. Nevertheless, he tried to communicate with Emily.

"I'm a tech guy, but I looked at my cellphone, and I've never sent a text message. And I looked around and said, 'Is there anyone here under 30? I need to do a text message,"' he said.

The now well-known message "R U OK?" brought relief when she replied "I love you guys." But there was no reply to his second text. The couple held out hope for her safety as negotiations between police and gunman Duane Morrison continued.

"One of my questions to (authorities) was, 'Is he communicating?' because that was important to me. And for a long time there was no communication. And that's when I could feel - it felt very dangerous," Ellen Keyes said.

Shortly before 4 p.m., SWAT teams stormed the classroom. John-Michael Keyes heard an explosion and gunfire, and said things "grew chaotic."

Eventually "they brought Emily out in front of me - 30 yards away maybe. I could not see her. At that point I'd learned about where she'd been shot. I was real specific with the ATF guy. I said, 'Is there anything that would provide her comfort right now?'

"And he said, 'No.' And I knew at that point," the father said.

The interview is scheduled to air on "Today" this morning and on "Dateline NBC" on Saturday.

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Nephthys
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posted October 07, 2006 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nephthys     Edit/Delete Message
I have often wondered this question too.

Although, I don't believe "God" is an old man with a beard, sitting atop the clouds watching everyone.

I DO believe in Universal Energy and Intelligence.

I often wonder why my Mom and I always seem to have so much bad luck, when we are good people. I don't feel that we attract bad luck or bad things to happen to us; they just seem to. I don't feel that we are pessimists; we are optimists.

I still don't accept that the Universe took Steve Irwin, leaving 2 small children, who he was a WONDERFUL, AWESOME father to, and a great young wife, and a very purposeful career. Those kids needed him and could/would have learned so much from him.

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BlueRoamer
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posted October 07, 2006 11:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BlueRoamer     Edit/Delete Message
Perhaps we try to make sense of things, but in reality there's really no such thing as karmic justice?

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Gooberzlostlovefound
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posted October 08, 2006 01:01 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gooberzlostlovefound     Edit/Delete Message
BlueRoamer~ I feel the same way.

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Gooberzlostlovefound
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posted October 08, 2006 01:02 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gooberzlostlovefound     Edit/Delete Message
Nephthys~ I know. That was horribly sad.

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Dulce Luna
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posted October 08, 2006 08:10 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Dulce Luna     Edit/Delete Message
I Loved Moon's Explanation

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Kat
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posted October 09, 2006 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Kat     Edit/Delete Message
My heart was broken when the Crock hunter died - but I wasn't surprised.

This topic troubles me from time to time then it makes sense then I question it again. for instance If god is this Universal "energy" that says yes to whatever we want --- say our thoughts and actions are in alignment with a certain outcome - we manifest it - good or bad (in our view)what if we are so desparately in pain for a change begging for some help - why is there no compassion? (this is a tough one to explain) Why do we keep getting more of the same. If God is all knowing, omnipotent couldn't this energy see through our pain, bad wording of our affirmations, etc. and through "his" grace" be given a break even if our thoughts and actions are not in alignment with what we want? Say your in physical pain and you cry out to God to help you heal this problem and deep inside your still harboring some unforgiveness... couldn't "God" do something anyway to bring relief of the pain- just out of pure compassion?? Some would say God doesn't communicate this way and really is hearing I'm in pain I'm in Pain so you get more pain. It's like OK here is your shovel so dig yourself out and when your thoughts and feeelings, and actions are looking toward health and healing of your body then I'll connect you up with others and help that is at that same vibrational level...

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artlovesdawn
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posted October 10, 2006 09:00 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for artlovesdawn     Edit/Delete Message
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Moon666Child
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posted October 10, 2006 10:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moon666Child     Edit/Delete Message
To answer you Kat, it is all available, you(we) TAKE what you(we) want!

Look at it this way, when you are called for a buffet, you have all the items in the menu available, and you also have the option (power) to choose WHAT YOU want. No one force you to take everything, no one forces you take anything at all..... when YOU(we) take the wrong things, why blame God?

Humans have this inherent need to find someone to blame or find a reason to complain, so as to keep the onus away from ourselves. But unless and untill we are on a self-realization path, we are not going anywhere, and we are not going to make anything different.

As a compassionate human being, I feel the pain what others are going through, and it could happen to me as well. I have had my own share of "bad" happennings especially in the past 4 years, and standing at the brink of my 34th birthday I am a man who have lost everything and is starting to "live" again all over again! The idea is to LIVE not to survive. and it is all in our mind, having a positive, enriching belief is the key.

Godliness is all within each of us, so is devilishness. That doesn;t make us God or Devil. So if we opt to use the Godliness good for us, if we decide to use devilishness, who is to blame?

The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it - Albert Einstein

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Nephthys
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posted October 10, 2006 03:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Nephthys     Edit/Delete Message
Hmmmmm I got the impression that Kat was asking, "why doesn't God help, when we are really, really down", opposed to her blaming God.

One thing that has worked for me, is praying to my angels and spirit guidance for help when I need it. They usually come through.......if not immediately, then eventually.

Also Archangel Michael and Gabriel are speedy in their help and responses!

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Moon666Child
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posted October 10, 2006 04:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Moon666Child     Edit/Delete Message
I wasn't saying anything AGAINST KAT, but I was mentioning the "normal" human respose to things - me included.Nothing personal, sorry if it sounded so.

Sorry Kat, if I sounded rude. that was never the intention, my bad.
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The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it - Albert Einstein

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amisha121877
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posted October 10, 2006 05:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amisha121877     Edit/Delete Message
EVERYTHING happens for a reason.

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maklhouf
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posted October 11, 2006 12:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for maklhouf     Edit/Delete Message
I would never think of myself as a "good person" and would be wary of anybody who did.

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And I will give thee the treasures of darkness
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silverstone
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posted October 11, 2006 01:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for silverstone     Edit/Delete Message
ScorpioRising,

You may want to check out this thread:
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum2/HTML/002270.html

A lot of food for thought!

Silverstone

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.

~Robert Frost

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Peri
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posted October 11, 2006 04:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peri     Edit/Delete Message
This is how karma works I think...

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