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Cardinalgal
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posted October 15, 2006 04:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cardinalgal     Edit/Delete Message
Was talking with my partner this evening and he was telling me about his 'wayward youth'

Being ever the Aqua scientist, he experimented with drugs when he was a young man.

He told me particularly about his experiences whilst taking LSD. He described how it made you see the patterns in everything, swirling and crackling coloured spikes of energy coming from telephone wires and electricity pilons etc, the auras of everyone that walks past, visions of things miles away as if they were easily within reach, heightened senses of hearing and sight, telepathic powers, memories of everything he'd ever done/experienced and feeling the effect of any bad he'd done to people (almost like a Karmic attonement exercise) and a host of other amazing images. He says it taught him to be more patient and to appreciate the world and its inhabitants more. He also says that the overwhelming feeling is one of connection and joy and the knowledge that everything leads back to one thing... love.

He told me of one particular experience when he had prepared a tape to listen to specifically for his trip, which included amongst other things, The Beatles "Tomorrow Never Knows" which had lyrics taken from the Tibetan Book of the Dead.

He said that whilst listening to that particular song on LSD he saw lights come down from the ceiling - as they descended, he said they took shape and form and became what we would call 'Angels.' I asked him what they looked like and he said they were androgenous and that he couldn't see wings as such but that there was something there which was a blur.

He says they shone and glowed and that they crouched down just above the end of his bed and stared at him smiling. There were 3 or 4 of them and he said it felt like he knew them - he said it was so peaceful and beautiful that he didn't know whether to laugh or cry. As the song finished one of them looked at the others and nodded and they floated back up into the ceiling and vanished.

It's funny but whilst I was listening to his experiences, I was partly afraid (because of my own personal fear of taking drugs I suppose) but at the same time it actually made me feel very envious of that particular episode.

I wondered if anyone else has any stories of a similar nature (either LSD induced or completely natural) and what you think about this account. Does LSD have the power to 'lift the veil' between us and whatever lies beyond or is it simply an illusion created by chemical interactions in our brains?

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Azalaksh
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posted October 15, 2006 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
Hi CG!
quote:
Does LSD have the power to 'lift the veil' between us and whatever lies beyond or is it simply an illusion created by chemical interactions in our brains?
I think, Yes and Yes. But first we would have to define "illusion" (Lotus, where are you? )

LSD was a transcendental experience for me too. That feeling of profound interconnectedness shook me to my core and changed me forever. I saw everything "outside" me with greater clarity, and I felt an urgent need to do more explorations "inside" me. The beauty of normal everyday things (a lawn, a flower) holds one's attention to the exclusion of all else. LSD was a popular recreational drug when I was growing up, and I could not understand why some people had "bad trips". I think perhaps it all boils down to fear. I did not fear losing control and I did not fear the unknown as much as others I tripped with.

The other hallucinogens have their own wonders. I remember one time I ate mescaline. A group of us were staying at a cabin on Spirit Lake at Mount St Helens, Washington State. The campfire grew boring (even on psychedelics, you can only stare at flames for so long ), so I took a walk in the woods. It was as bright as day and I could see every plant and every rock clearly, it seemed I was walking in a spotlight. I walked for quite a ways in the woods, in the middle of the night, then felt it was time to go back. I have no idea how I found my way, but I arrived right at the back porch of the cabin. The others wondered where I had gone, but weren't too worried. It was a magical time -- we felt totally safe and protected (although we probably were not )

Other civilizations have used the power of these plants to take one to Spirit Worlds. I do not see these substances as "dangerous drugs" although the argument could probably be made that they ARE dangerous to the frivolous, or the unprepared.....

{{love & hugs}} Z

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Cardinalgal
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posted October 15, 2006 06:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cardinalgal     Edit/Delete Message
Hi Zala hon!

Thanks so much for that - I have always had a fear of drugs for some reason, and sometimes won't take even so much as an asprin! I think it's because I fear losing control; don't know why really but it's a fear that's always been with me.

Your experiences sound wonderful too and I think that further research really needs to be done on how LSD does what it does. Just read your accounts out to Garry and he's nodding and smiling so you've made a great friend there!

It sounds as if what these substances do is take away all the blockages that we as a species have put up over the centuries; as though 'evolving' has also had the side effect of making us lose vital senses and abilities that we once had which enabled us to really 'see' things.

That walk in the woods sounds spectacular. Garry said when I finished reading it out that mescaline widens your pupils so that your eyes open right up like a cat's. How wonderful that it gives you the opportunity to see things as others see them.

Wouldn't it be interesting if you could somehow enable a camera to 'see' what LSD or mescaline lets you see. Imagine the pictures you'd take!! One day some forward thinking scientist (probably an Aqua or someone with lots of Uranus influence in their chart) will do that I'm sure. And then 'asprin-a-phobics' like me can see those beautiful sights too!

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posted October 15, 2006 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
Amen to the camera-thing But perhaps those who don't trip the light fantastic must needs settle for the man-made versions..... there were some wonderful concert light shows that simulated very well the acid experience. Here's a fun thing to look at :
http://www.lightshow.cc/explorer/Images/Kaleidoscope/kaleidoscope.html

I do agree that psychotropic substances take away cultural/societal "blockages" and enable one to see in a new way.....
Whilst tripping, the center of that kaleidoscope image could be a wormhole to Pluto or other Universes, or even the center of your own Universe, inside your head.....

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Azalaksh
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posted October 16, 2006 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Azalaksh     Edit/Delete Message
PS CG:

That old horror-story about LSD destroying your chromosomes and being responsible for birth defects is apparently a fabrication, a media scare-story -- my son turned out normal (whatever that is ), and the chromosomes they checked (for Downs) when I had amniocentesis were just fine.....

Yet, the jury's still out on that question -- we don't know enough yet (medically) to maintain that there is no chromosome damage. However, I worry more about the poisons in the air I breathe 24 hours a day, what's leaching into the groundwater and coming into our city's well water supply, what poisons disguised as "fertilizer" are in my vegetables and fruit, and what we'll use to kill the "SuperBugs" we have created by feeding livestock (and fellow humans) antibiotics indiscriminately.....

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Cardinalgal
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posted October 16, 2006 01:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Cardinalgal     Edit/Delete Message
Absolutely agree with you Zala! There was nout wrong with the old addage "eat a peck of dirt before you die" in my opinion - we're so consumed by hygiene that we actually don't allow our immune systems to function properly and defeat all the bacterias we would naturally come into contact with. Hygiene is of course essential but as we Librans know, balance is the key! Everything in moderation

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Mirandee
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posted October 16, 2006 05:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mirandee     Edit/Delete Message
I never took anything but over the counter and prescribed drugs. But back in the 60's they prescribed amphetimines (sp.?)in the form of very strong diet pills that I got addicted to. Boy cold turkey from those things is a real bugger!

I never took LSD but have known people who did and what you guys described here are what is called "good trips" but depending on your frame of mind at the time you take the drug you can have very frightening "bad trips" as well. Some people I have known who took the drug have recounted those bad trips and I can scare myself anyway with just my imagination at times so would never risk taking LSD.

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Lialei
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posted October 16, 2006 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message
My interest in drugs was mainly for mind expansion, so therefore my inclination were hallucinagenics~ mainly acid and mescalin.
It really difficult to describe to someone who hasn't experienced it before, what it's like. It's like there is a lifting of the mundane veil of this world and all is seen in its most intricate, expanded fascinating supernatural hue. Or as Carlos Casteneda describes the other worlds just alongside 'normal' (conditioned/expected) view, that if viewed just off, from an open, un-single-focused mind of perception can be realized. A whole nother world of perception is inspired. I had so many spiritual, philosophical awakenings at that time, that I really wouldn't know where to begin.

I never had experiences of seeing otherworldly beings or had conversations with God (like a friend recently describe to me of his experience).
I remember such beautiful experiences though.
One in particular:
I was listening to Led Zeppelin's "The Rain Song" on my stereo...just completely absorbed in the beauty of the melody and as I looked at the speaker, I saw a myriad of color streaming out of the speaker...flowing in waves, pulsating to the various notes and chords. I believe I was visually seeing sound. Something I would have never dreamed was possible. It was amazing. A truly transcending spiritual experience.

I truly do believe that other dimensions rather than the typical everyday senses, can somehow be tapped into and opened. Supernatural/telepathic capabilities we normally keep ourselves closed off from.

Mainly, my entire view of the world transformed into higher realms of perception and spirituality. This is where it begins to be hard to describe. I believe this entirely depends on the individual's original focus and state of mind before taking it. Most of my friends seemed to use just for laughs and good times, but rather, I was inspired by artists/individuals who were unique, set on 'breaking through' conventions, expectations and the status quo. Ferlinghetti, Kerouac, Ginsberg, Blake, Penscal, Huxely, and of course inspired by all the musical artists I adored of the sixties. I was set on more than just having a fun experience. I dwelved, dived and reveled in the courage to plunge entirely into it's greatest potentials of inner discovery.

In my experience original state of mind is such an important influence into having a good or bad trip. If you are naturally a paranoid, fearful,regulated, conventional or especially a controlling person I wouldn't recommend it at all. Because once you realize that you are no longer 'in control' is where the anxiety of facing the unknown can, like all the other senses, become magnified to the extreme. There is a great necessity of flexibility required to allow yourself to open and go with the flow of it reataining a peaceful frame of mind. Also environment is extremely important to. Preferably a quiet one in nature...off with one or more good friends.
That way, if you were to begin to become panicked, the quiet, trusting setting helps to ease the mind.

Interesting topic, Cardinal Gal.

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Lialei
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posted October 16, 2006 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message
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I do agree that psychotropic substances take away cultural/societal "blockages" and enable one to see in a new way.....
Whilst tripping, the center of that kaleidoscope image could be a wormhole to Pluto or other Universes, or even the center of your own Universe, inside your head.....

right on, Zala


by the way, I haven't used in years.
There came a point when I felt it wasn't useful for me anymore for mind expansion and so I explored through other newer ways I hadn't before. For every thing, there is a season.

The key, I tend to aspire to, is present AWE
derailed from the mundane. Do anything enough times and it in itself becomes mundane.

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lotusheartone
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posted October 16, 2006 09:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
I have never used acid..I have sad story..a firend..was out drinking..and his friends thought it would be funny..to give him a hit of acid..in his beer..so all told..he was given teo hits of acid..without knowing..
anyhow..his Mother walked in on him..circumsizing himself.and him saying he was Jesus Christ..this happend 20 years ago..he's still in a mental institution..

LSD..is a Mind _ _ _ _

Mother Earth is Natural..and Super
Magical!

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Lialei
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posted October 16, 2006 10:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message
That is truly a sad story, Lotus. I'm sorry about your friend. That was cruel and criminal and nothing less... to take advantage of someone's innocence in such a sadistic way.

You do understand though how that story is an extreme circumstance that doesn't have any similar connection to the kind of conscious balanced choices that we're discussing here?

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posted October 16, 2006 10:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
anything altered by Man..is not good for you. ...

meaning all chemicals..medicines' etc..
Mother Earth provides for all illness
naturally...

not through alterations..and processing... .

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Lialei
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posted October 16, 2006 10:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message
CardinalGal,
while here I wanted to say that, for not having experienced it yourself and for honestly admitting your fears, I admire your ability regardless, of a non-judgemental and open-minded curiosity about it. It's a rare thing to see in someone.

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Lialei
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posted October 16, 2006 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message
LSD is derived from ergot mold
and mescaline from peyote.
Both are of natural compounds.

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posted October 16, 2006 10:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
haha..there is right and wrong..and you need to find Truth for yourSelf..I wouldn't be where I am today..if I was not open-Minded..

And I would be stupid..to not listen to my OverSoul..and heed the advice..of the Universal God Laws...

to each his own..and in his or her own time. ...

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Lialei
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posted October 16, 2006 10:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message
I think Zala said it very well~

quote:
Other civilizations have used the power of these plants to take one to Spirit Worlds. I do not see these substances as "dangerous drugs" although the argument could probably be made that they ARE dangerous to the frivolous, or the unprepared.....

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posted October 16, 2006 11:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
The Divine is within you..and so is the natural high...

nice excuses..though


do you really think you need alterations

to SEE???

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posted October 16, 2006 11:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
Be as children..

we would not give our children these substances..that have been processed..

The Remedy is natural..and edible..as it is!

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Lialei
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posted October 16, 2006 11:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message
There is no 'right or wrong'. I don't agree with that at all. It's inclusive and very cut and dry. It doesn't take into account the complexities of our existance. Our our individual Freedoms.

What I said to CardinalGal was to her...if you took it as to you, then that is to your own.

I do agree to each their own very much. And respect every person who chooses not to use LSD. I don't see them as any less, nor any higher.
Which is why there really is no point in debating this. If you really felt "to each their own" as you like to emphasize, then you wouldn't be insinuting your way was superior.

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posted October 16, 2006 11:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
then..why???Have you gotten so upset???

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Lialei
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posted October 16, 2006 11:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message
Lotus, you're a trip.
I'm not going to argue with you, although I know you live for it. It serves no good. I'm not out to lower you to higher myself, that's your game. I don't play it.

This will be the last thing I say here for now. Gotta go~

quote:
The Divine is within you..and so is the natural high...
nice excuses..though


do you really think you need alterations

to SEE???


Did I say that I need 'alterations to see'? No. It was an aid at one time for a while. A transformative, positive one.
I haven't taken any in probably 13 years or more. I've went on to see many more things since then in many different ways (don't begin to assume anything that you don't know of here).


Don't paint me as making excuses when I wasn't. Why would I? Not something I do. I don't appreciate being a pawn for whatever it is at this moment you're out to prove.

Doesn't work with me.

nighty night.


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posted October 16, 2006 11:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message
upset???

another good try, Lotus.

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lotusheartone
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posted October 16, 2006 11:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for lotusheartone     Edit/Delete Message
your words speak loud and clear for me. ...

Ggodnight!

Sorry, I upset you... .

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sue g
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posted October 17, 2006 04:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for sue g     Edit/Delete Message
I never used it.....everyone to their own....didnt feel the need tbh!

But I have had similar experiences through other things....

I went to see a guy a few years ago, he is a therapist who works with the breath...Oh my....I completely lost myself just by breathing very deeply...

He had me up in the stars, sitting on the moon....hahaha....I was laughing very loudly and I saw the universe in all its glory, stars, moon and indigo blue sky,,,it was a fantastic trip....like having an hallucination....

My mind had never been so open until that point...

The reason I dont take drugs is cos I am very sensitive to everything I put in my body.....

And the very guy who helped me to this cosmic place said to me before the treatment, that he always says to others "whatever gets you through"

Lovely guy....called Colm...he called me a wild star child...

xx

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posted October 17, 2006 01:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lialei     Edit/Delete Message

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