posted February 18, 2007 10:46 AM         

But there is a question now. Can anyone help?
If I give up all my contracts does that mean i am under instant Karma. In other words what is it that makes me want to continue to treat others well. Before it was Karma. Or is it just that I am enlightened enough now and thats all i need?

posted February 18, 2007 11:34 AM           

come full-serpent-circle and forgive...
ending the cycle of karma?

if you have balanced all your Karma
you will still be under
the Universal Laws-Karma
each and every day
with the choices you make

we must undertake to do all with LOve
for the Good of ALL...

so, you can have a clean slate
what you now encounter
is instant karma
there will be no delays. ...

for instance
I tried to push a point last night in Astrology, and I was bashed..instantly

I forgave as they insulted..
I will not hold on to any
negativity... .

posted February 18, 2007 07:33 PM         

*edited to add*..

posted February 19, 2007 02:40 PM         

Its all hypothetical, im basically a wimp.

And by the way I have given up my contracts and the results of that are none other than significant changes for the better in my life.
Ill restate: If i now understand that karma was a choice i made but don't feel i need the illusion any more what is going to make me continue to want to do good?

Ok i guess karma is not the only reason people do good.

What if i hit someone and break their arm?
How is it balanced then if Karma is an illusion?

posted February 19, 2007 02:56 PM           

Karma..is the cause and effect
of the Universal Laws
that are immutable
and that we are governed by. ...

in the topic Chaldean Numerology this forum..topic starter SkyFysh...

I am typing up BOOK II of the Sibylline oracles...it's very interesting!... .

posted February 19, 2007 05:49 PM         

I'm trying to understand what you mean when you say you realize karma is voluntary. Can you elaborate on that? (I think I understand, but just wanted to hear your thoughts)

There is a Liberation that happens when you recognize patterns and cycles in your life and relationships. These patterns can be conditional behavioral patterns from your environment (upbringing for instance), as well as your own character. We tend to respond in conditioned subconscious ways, in which we are unaware of. I believe this has to do with looking outside of ourselves for direction. Sliding into locked patterns of behavior, triggered from stimuli outside of ourselves. When we become aware of patterns, we can break free from them. Also as well, when we recognize the lessons that keep seeming to reoccur in our lives until we learn from them and break out of their restriction that holds us back.

Why would you continue to treat others well and do good? If you are being Natural of your true self, it would come naturally of you. And if it were merely for the purpose of being True to who you are, cause/effect would have little importance. It would just be True.

There would be a stillness and patience of acceptance that would have faith that it had its meaning, regardless of what effect seemed the result. It's an unseen Faith in the cycles of result beyond our immediate recognition.

I don't think you can ever become "enlightened"...that's just me.
I believe our awakening is much more infinite than our perceptions could accept or understand.

posted February 19, 2007 06:32 PM         

I agree, not fully enlightened! The path to enlightment never ends... there is always something to be learned. Hi, Lia

Thirteen,
I like your topic; however, Lotus was simply stating her opinion (maybe even giving you just a simple definition for Karma) and I found your response appalling; she was only trying to help:

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Lotus no offense here but I am past what you say about Karma. That is like Karma 101.

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I need someone to talk with who has gone deeper into it now. Again no offense but I would ask that you not discuss with me further

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How do you know how deep, Lotus has gone?

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You have said you peace. Thank you.

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Lotus, thanks for devoting your time to post your response

Silverstone

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.

posted February 19, 2007 07:11 PM         

Back on topic.

posted February 19, 2007 07:43 PM         

By me posting that I felt that your response to Lotus was appalling, does not mean that I do not know about Karma nor that I am not enlightened.
By the way, "Enlightment" or being "Enlightened" is a strong word. And for the record, I do not think I am fully enlightened, nor do I think I will ever get there, because I will always want to keep learning... there are always more mountains to climb, more opportunities to learn and explore. But now that "you" think that "I obviously don't know what you are talking about anyway," my resonse on the subject matter will do you no good and no offense but I don't think it will be appreciated.

Lotus can defend herself, and I am not her defender, but I can and will always comment on what I choose

Enough said on my part and I do not mean to disrespect you nor your topic, so please continue...

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.

posted February 19, 2007 09:05 PM         

Have you released thought of what you will get out of things?
Do you place yourself in other's hearts and try to understand their place?

Lotus' posts could as well have just as easily been read, taken in, then unresponded to. Instead of dashing her innocent enthusiasms.

Silver sincerely cares about other people, beyond himself. When you're this way (reaching), your awareness is highly intune to all myriad energy (and energy patterns) outside of yourself. This keen alertness and observation, is, in itself, a springboard for understanding/absorbing higher truths.
Because your senses are alert to observing patterns of cause/effect. Your senses are alert to cycles of time. Like looking down on a moment with a panaromic Eagle's view from the sky.

He does understand much more than you think,
and even so,even in a situation where it would seem that boasting would benefit himself,
he chooses to remain pure. This is an example of unseen Faith...remaining True, regardless of how it would appear.
You just are, letting the chips fall as they may, believing even if not here and now, beyond this world it has meaning. This is what I was trying to say before...but it's always hard to explain.
It's a strength that's admirable.
Most of the truest strengths are things which others (from a collective modern materialistic viewpoint) would so profanely dismiss as weakness.
Such as innocence.
Always misperceived as naivete. There is a difference.

posted February 20, 2007 03:09 AM         

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The only other sound's the sweep
Of easy wind and downy flake.

The woods are lovely, dark, and deep,
But I have promises to keep,
And miles to go before I sleep,
And miles to go before I sleep.

posted February 20, 2007 03:14 PM         

Then again I might fade into the mist and say nothing....

posted February 21, 2007 11:22 AM         

Anyway, yes I realized that day that in my prelife I had set up some negative, hurtful stuff with certain people and that I don't have to do it anymore. This is connected to releasing my contracts.

I was just reading yesterday that in this new energy of ascension that we are creating on this planet ( i am a believer in this new enery)people will have the ability to drop karma and sometimes it will show up in family circles. The article said that sometimes family members will part but then resume relationships later with no karma between them.
Isn't this crazy spinning ball wonderful?

I am wishing you so much good energy right now. I have been reading your posts.

Lotus, you are on my mind a lot this last few days. I know that you know we are friends from anther time. Perhaps my karma with you is to push you a bit. I know that you know im not here to hurt you......

posted February 25, 2007 03:17 AM         

Well as long as theres matter there will be gravity. As long as there are actions, there will be consequences.

Every time a reason arises from your mind.
Test it with your intelligence. Does it feel right. Will it make you feel better after you act on it.

Do only those things. That is your duty.
Follow your duty and your Karma will be squared out eventually.

Wow I have an epiphany now, when I perform my duty, and act on it, it is the perception of others that labels me as "angry", "kind", etc... where as all I was really doing was my duty all the time. Hehehe...does not make sense does it.

Cheers.

posted February 25, 2007 03:17 AM         

Well as long as theres matter there will be gravity. As long as there are actions, there will be consequences.

Every time a reason arises from your mind.
Test it with your intelligence. Does it feel right. Will it make you feel better after you act on it.

Do only those things. That is your duty.
Follow your duty and your Karma will be squared out eventually.

Wow I have an epiphany now, when I perform my duty, and act on it, it is the perception of others that labels me as "angry", "kind", etc... where as all I was really doing was my duty all the time. Hehehe...does not make sense does it.

Cheers.