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maklhouf Knowflake Posts: 1346 From: Registered: Nov 2003
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posted March 28, 2007 04:54 AM
Most boys really want to be men. Some men really want to be boys. What is a boy? What is a man?------------------ And I will give thee the treasures of darkness Isiah 45:3 IP: Logged |
naiad Knowflake Posts: 1645 From: Registered: Sep 2006
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posted March 28, 2007 05:12 AM
i posted a copious amount of words in 'oranges & hyacinths' about a film i viewed recently. titled The Thief Lord. in the film, one of the children desperately wishes to be grown up, so that he can be taller than his father...and escape the father's tyranny...and the tyranny that adults impose upon children in general.then there is the very old conte and his sister....who are attempting to piece together the magic that will allow them to be children together again. the two parties, speaking to each other, learn of each other's desires. the conte's sister says to her brother, in an amazed sort of tone...'did you hear that?...he wishes to skip being a child and be all grown up...' and the conte replies, in an ominous and eerie tone...'yes, well nature will accomodate him soon enough.' it's a very stark moment, pitting the urges of youth for the freedom of adulthood, against the yearning of adults for the freedom of childhood. IP: Logged |
maklhouf Knowflake Posts: 1346 From: Registered: Nov 2003
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posted March 28, 2007 08:34 AM
Food for thought there. In mundane sense a man is a grown-up, with responsibilities, mostly tedious?------------------ And I will give thee the treasures of darkness Isiah 45:3 IP: Logged |
artlovesdawn Knowflake Posts: 1177 From: Registered: Jul 2005
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posted March 28, 2007 11:49 AM
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maklhouf Knowflake Posts: 1346 From: Registered: Nov 2003
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posted March 28, 2007 02:08 PM
quote: It seemed to me like they were not always talking about something physical but to some kind of mental/emotional shift.
Too true.But there are ways in which men never grow up and they seem to be different from the ways in which women stay in touch with their childhood selves.------------------ And I will give thee the treasures of darkness Isiah 45:3 IP: Logged |
artlovesdawn Knowflake Posts: 1177 From: Registered: Jul 2005
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posted March 28, 2007 03:25 PM
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naiad Knowflake Posts: 1645 From: Registered: Sep 2006
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posted March 28, 2007 04:23 PM
it's the quintessential question of politics and religion really.how much responsibility and autonomy do we honestly wish to wield in this world, this life, this dimension, and dimensions beyond? and in what way? to what degree can we fully be 'captain of our own ship'...or do we wish to be? in times of distress and frailty we turn to a higher authority....some do...and require guidance and protection, both spiritual and mundane. then there is the all hailing worship of strength and individuality -- taking responsibility for every facet of our lives. from which scenario does man emerge more intact and knowledgable? from which more burdened and downtrod? so the question is more about -- what is freedom really? in both the life mundane, and the life spiritual. to whom, and in what ways, shall we submit, place our well-being in the hands of a higher presence, in order to experience true freedom, freedom from worry and fear? or does it proceed from absolute autonomy and crushing responsibility for the world around us -- that we ourselves created? did we actually create our world all on our own? what then, is the true source of power? men and women experience this in different ways, i believe. and what then is freedom? a line from a favorite poem ~ what's freedom for? to know eternity. IP: Logged |
naiad Knowflake Posts: 1645 From: Registered: Sep 2006
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posted March 28, 2007 04:51 PM
and who is it, who carries more responsibility....women, or men?Sigh no more, ladies, sigh nor more; Men were deceivers ever; One foot in sea and one on shore, To one thing constant never; Then sigh not so, But let them go, And be you blithe and bonny; Converting all your sounds of woe Into Hey nonny, nonny. Sing no more ditties, sing no more, Of dumps so dull and heavy; The fraud of men was ever so, Since summer first was leavy. Then sigh not so, But let them go, And be you blithe and bonny, Converting all your sounds of woe Into Hey, nonny, nonny. -W.S.
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artlovesdawn Knowflake Posts: 1177 From: Registered: Jul 2005
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posted March 29, 2007 10:39 AM
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BlueRoamer Knowflake Posts: 3475 From: Calm Blue Ocean, Calm Blue Ocean Registered: Jun 2003
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posted March 29, 2007 03:06 PM
What about having the intergrity, strength, and personal responsibility of an adult, while having the open mind, innocence, and joy of a child?We can't go back to being children as adults, but we can act more like them sometimes IP: Logged |
naiad Knowflake Posts: 1645 From: Registered: Sep 2006
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posted March 29, 2007 06:28 PM
nice synthesis mr. blue.i'm so pleased that you enjoyed my thoughts artlovesdawn. good topic sir M.
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naiad Knowflake Posts: 1645 From: Registered: Sep 2006
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posted March 29, 2007 06:49 PM
artlovesdawn ~ i would like to rent your cottage and invite you, sir m. and blueroamer to a dinner party there. veggie of course. IP: Logged |
artlovesdawn Knowflake Posts: 1177 From: Registered: Jul 2005
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posted March 29, 2007 11:21 PM
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maklhouf Knowflake Posts: 1346 From: Registered: Nov 2003
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posted March 30, 2007 12:58 PM
I do agree that adulthood should be a similar experience for either sex. That's how it should be, but of course it isn't. I find that no matter what people say they beleive, they fall back on old patterns, because life's difficult and painful.------------------ And I will give thee the treasures of darkness Isiah 45:3 IP: Logged |
artlovesdawn Knowflake Posts: 1177 From: Registered: Jul 2005
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posted March 30, 2007 11:28 PM
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maklhouf Knowflake Posts: 1346 From: Registered: Nov 2003
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posted March 31, 2007 07:07 AM
You are right. Gay couples have more scope to play with the different responsibilities of adulthood. Why on earth do children think adulthood will be a party? Kipling: from memory: When I am grown to man's estate, I shall be very proud and great And tell the other girls and boys Not to meddle with my toys------------------ And I will give thee the treasures of darkness Isiah 45:3 IP: Logged |