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ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 2558 From: the capricious clouds, in the land formerly known as Albion Registered: Jul 2005
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posted April 09, 2007 05:30 AM
Hello All!I was lying in bed this morning, thinking, as I like to do, when I thought of this philosophy. Just wanted to know your thoughts: "Darkness is only dark because it does not know the light".
Perhaps I have merely found another way to express something which I wrote some time ago:
"The only real evil is ignorance itself".
So, what do you think?
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artlovesdawn Knowflake Posts: 1177 From: Registered: Jul 2005
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posted April 09, 2007 11:48 PM
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Lialei Knowflake Posts: 1851 From: threshold Registered: Jul 2005
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posted April 10, 2007 03:05 AM
well, this was just a passing thought, but LTT, your thoughts made me remember it anyway~~ What I've learned of living is that darkness receives more light, for light is benefacting guardian-- darkness porious absorber, pronouncing existance from reflection.
Darkness must seek. Light simply is. ~*~*~*~*~*~*~
What I was meaning to express at the time, was from observance of human interaction. Noticing how those more devoid, seek to devour the Light of others, as if to poriously soak it into themselves. And also of how those 'dark' seem to often attract more light (love).
I know that will probably be instantly repelled by many people's thoughts (especially with the 'Secret' humming strongly about), but look starkly around you. Just one example--how many men and women, for instance, chase after aloof, un-giving/using people romantically. Yet, the Light simply is giving, because it is of light. This isn't something you can gain from reflecting, the light comes genuinely from within, as a Source. Whatever supposed light darkness gains is illusionary, for the light remains onwards in its Pure Source. Darkness would need to be sparked from within itself to become Light. Darkness is pronounced darkness from the reflection of light's existance (without the existance of light--we could not see darkness in contrast~ so it wouldn't be). As well, you could say the same for light--it is defined as light in contrast to darkness. So, therefore there's a myriad of open room left for more possibilities. Light yearns to save darkness, so light also seeks in its own way. rambling....
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fayte.m Knowflake Posts: 9809 From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com Registered: Mar 2005
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posted April 10, 2007 08:29 AM
LTT quote: "The only real evil is ignorance itself".
Lia I understand where you are coming from. But I still have trouble with the use of dark as bad and light as good. I wish we could coin some new words or ways of describing it all. Evil is usually much flashier and dazzling than good. Goodness just is. It does not need to shine and glamour. But good is often trampled or ignored because the flash and pomp of evil appears "lighter". Light and Dark. Too many definitions and esoteric or new age or religious connotations. I see it over and over. Light is Good. Dark is bad. Not as absolute as that. Depends on the definition and context. Light... Sunlight Visable light Gnosis Pure Or evil and blinding, overpowering. etcetera. Dark... Moonlight or Comforting darkness without the blinding glare of the false light which often tries to suppress the light of knowledge and truth. Or the evil darkness of a soul who wears the cloaks and masks of love and light.Too many shades of meaning when it comes to light and dark. The Sound Of Silence The Sound Of Silence Hello darkness, my old friend I've come to talk with you again Because a vision softly creeping Left its seeds while I was sleeping And the vision that was planted in my brain Still remains Within the sound of silence In restless dreams I walked alone Narrow streets of cobblestone 'Neath the halo of a street lamp I turn my collar to the cold and damp When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light That split the night And touched the sound of silence And in the naked light I saw Ten thousand people maybe more People talking without speaking People hearing without listening People writing songs that voices never shared No one dared Disturb the sound of silence "Fools," said I, "you do not know Silence like a cancer grows Hear my words that I might teach you Take my arms that I might reach you" But my words like silent raindrops fell And echoed in the wells of silence And the people bowed and prayed To the neon god they made And the sign flashed out its warning In the words that it was forming And the sign said "The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls And tenement halls And whispered in the sound of silence P. Simon, 1964 Primitive humankind feared the darkness. There were wild beasts afoot in the darkness who would attack and devour one. So light became associated with good, and darkness with bad. Moths will go to the flame and combust. Bugs will happily fly to any light......zaaaaap! It is easier to catch flies with honey than vinegar. What appears as true light and sweetness may be a trap. The darkness simply is. It need not feed or burn fuel or expend energy to "be" what it is. So what is good and what is evil? That which must consume to be? Light. Or that which quietly gently is, needing nothing to sustain its purity. http://sglyrics.myrmid.com/silence1.mid ------------------ ~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~ ~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~ ~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~ }><}}}(*> <*){{{><{ ~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ IP: Logged |
castlegirl Knowflake Posts: 122 From: croatia Registered: Jan 2007
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posted April 10, 2007 04:16 PM
Fayte, I love that song! (but I keep from listening to it cause it makes me cry Anyhow, a great song!The Light and the Darkness; something that's troubling this head all my life.. Every "true" and "profound" conclusion or insight has come from the time of darkness, silence and pain (for me), and the weightlessness, non-chalance and light-thinking that didn't leave any "taste in my mouth" from the times of no worries, no obligations and just simple "good". Of course, this is just one perspective of Darkness and Light, but however I look at it, Darkness always gives more "substance" and quality. Strange, cause we all search for Light, including me(very much). I'm trying to apply everything I learn in the Darkness to the Light, but somehow it seems that the Light can't accept that much intensity, and I always find myself coming back (by my own intention, or by others pushing me into it) in the darkness. When I come to think of it, English word has two meanings of the word Light (as in "not heavy" and "bright"). Maybe that's why it seems to me that it can't "take that much". Or maybe its here to take the burden off of us (wondering..) When I think about it astrologically, I come to think of Light as triangle or sextile, while Darkness would be square or opossition, and conjunction would be the "marriage of both". Easy and conflicting energy, but always need to be "together" to make it work.. Some of us are more inclined toward Light, some toward Darkness, but there's always both parts in ourselves that "help" us stay alive in this world... There are so many possibilities, so many interpretations; what I "found" out is that the only "valuable" thing in this life is to "have" a good heart, whether it comes form darkness or light... Forgive my blabbering lol.. Off to talk to my boyfriend.. Love you all xxx IP: Logged |
fayte.m Knowflake Posts: 9809 From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com Registered: Mar 2005
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posted April 10, 2007 04:25 PM
It is a natural balance. As day turns to night and night turns to day...... Without night and darkness we could not easily see the stars and the moon would still be lovely, but not as lovely without the darkness for contrast. And moonflowers and night blooming jasmine..... Darkness to me can be like a warm soft velvet place. A pocket of self reflective solitude. Very nice and peacefully calm. ------------------ ~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~ ~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~ ~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~ }><}}}(*> <*){{{><{ ~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ IP: Logged |
goatgirl Knowflake Posts: 845 From: Anywhere Registered: Jul 2002
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posted April 10, 2007 09:33 PM
Darkness is not the opposite of light, it is the absence of light.Even nature has her "darkness" We must have both so that we can tell the difference. (if that makes nay sense) " Seems so long since we walked in the moonlight..." ~ Led Zeppelin Yes, the moon wouldn't be quite so stunning if it wasn't dark would it? ------------------ After silence, that which comes nearest to expressing the inexpressible is music." - Aldous Huxley IP: Logged |
Mannu Knowflake Posts: 2027 From: Registered: Mar 2006
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posted April 11, 2007 01:13 AM
This is great post. Darkness is not absense of light. Its a loose definition. It is absence of the four elements that make up creation. Darkness consists of the fift element that pervades each and every one of us. Science will soon discover that vaccuum is not zero energy. They got it all wrong. They will catch up with the eastern mystics soon.
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maklhouf Knowflake Posts: 1346 From: Registered: Nov 2003
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posted April 11, 2007 02:53 AM
------------------ And I will give thee the treasures of darkness Isiah 45:3 IP: Logged |
ListensToTrees Knowflake Posts: 2558 From: the capricious clouds, in the land formerly known as Albion Registered: Jul 2005
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posted April 11, 2007 08:52 AM
Thank you for your thoughts- you have given me fascinating new perspectives on this!Fayte, I think you're right- using the words 'darkness' and light' are a little bit loose an analogy. When I think of these terms I just think of it to mean that in total darkness you can't see anything.....but then there was this AMAZING blind boy on TV who had learned to use sound to know what was around him.... And I love the moon picture- you're such a clever cogs these days, lol! I love all your thoughts. IP: Logged |
sesame Moderator Posts: 1553 From: Oz Registered: Nov 2003
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posted April 13, 2007 09:06 AM
Yes! I second that! It's funny when there is so little to disagree with, even when people contradict each other. All angles are angels!As for this analogy, I was talking to my "guru" the other day (I'm going to start calling him this, even though I believe we both learn everything off each other, it's just one of those relationships you know? When everything spirals and you can't stop smiling!?) Anyhow, I came to the understanding that the fact that darkness is the absence of light, and that white is all colours (as black can be in painting also) that illumination and enlightenment comes from the Eternal Universe, and it is our Minds that filter this light into our truths, hence creating a form of darkness. The light that we see when spiraling or seeking is the stuff we let through the 5 percent of brain power we direct at our minds. Think of it like an iris - the more open your mind is, the more light, but too much and you go crazy, too little and you are too stubborn and closed-minded. Anyhow the further spiral we had was that the light coming through has another name and function - it is the Universal Soul! The light that shines through your eyes when you are excited (not sure where the timber in the voice comes from, but I think as tones of light and sound are related, that this is a by-product of the light pouring through you) is the same stuff. In this analogy, light isn't good or bad, but just is - it's always there. Whether you allow it through is your decision. The darkness of ignorance can be very blissful, but so can the embrace of a beautiful truth. Heaps of Love, Dean. ps. thank you all for helping my spiral so much further, your thoughts and words humble me. IP: Logged |
Lialei Knowflake Posts: 1851 From: threshold Registered: Jul 2005
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posted April 13, 2007 09:46 AM
Fayte, I feel the same about the positive/negative connotations. Instead of this or that I most often find myself pondering the place where they merge. It's easy to slip into these metaphors, but even if it appears from my writing that I'm thinking that way, I'm never literal, and that thought of both/all, rather than this/that is always on my mind, cautioning me from contradiction to what I believe.I agree with Mannu about the further research and discovery into dark matter. This constitutes most matter in the Universe. I find that fascinating in itself. Just this strong feeling I have that exploration/discovery into dark matter will pave amazing awakenings into long-thought mysteries of higher truth. Dean, it's good to read your posts again. I'm curious what you think about the new theory of scientists that nerves use sound to transmit, instead of electricity, as previously thought. Remembering your own theory on the spectrum of light/sound (I was Heart&Soul back when we discussed it), I was wondering if this theory confirmed some things for you.
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fayte.m Knowflake Posts: 9809 From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com Registered: Mar 2005
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posted April 13, 2007 10:22 AM
My husband and I are, I suppose, GURUS to each other in a way. This is a small example of the types of conversations we have EVERY DAY! We were discussing Quantum theory and time; and how... "there is no present only past". The time it takes for your brain to recieve the imput, what you hear and see is a past thing. Like the light from a distance star. You never actually see or hear the present. What can happen in that "time" between the event and the awareness of it? The creche of the "miracles"! From my beloved! quote: With all which surrounds us that we cannot perceive, there is plenty of room for miracles without hope, much lattitude for visions of spirits without faith. 'Invisible' realms of the mind and spirit do not have to be matters of faith, they can be known as existing along side of us, inside that space-between-the-space of every moment of every day. ~From Fayte's Husband~
My response amidst laughter! quote: Oh that elusive second! And to top it all off..... The average person uses only 10% of their brain!
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sesame Moderator Posts: 1553 From: Oz Registered: Nov 2003
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posted April 14, 2007 09:24 AM
WoW! Or should I say wOw!? Nerve signals sent via sound? That is fascinating, but makes me wonder how quick that is. Electricity is slow in terms of electron speeds, but fast in terms of the electrons jumping off the end so to speak. It's like in a traffic jam you wait until all the cars in front of you move, but electrons all move instantly and hence the speed from on to the end is very quick. Sound on the other hand is more like the cars in the jam - each wave propagates, and then there are dampening factors too. It sure is an interesting theory though! How are the sounds created? Are they transmitted through similar means to words and languages in general? As you said about "my" theory of the infinite spectrum, maybe the scientists are looking at the propagations and thinking sound, when it could be light, which makes more sense to me (but I'm not a scientist). If it was light, then this would add another dimension to being illuminated and letting the light through. In fact, it reminds me too of optical cross-connect switches - these are network devices that allow fibre signals to travel through them without slowing down - ie, optical signals generated from a computer could pass through these switches and into the network all at the speed of light, and hence the communications are travelling at the fastest known speed in the universe. Hence, if nerve signals travelled at the speed of light, then the information we have spiralled will also travel throughout your body this quickly - the Soular energy will never slow down. This is great news! I'm glad that they're rethinking the electrical thing anyway as it makes us sound like robots. Thanks for your compliment, Lia! Fayte, once again I'm off! I love several of your quotes. In fact, sometimes when people quote the "greats" I get put off as these are normal people, but I do appreciate a good quote that makes you think, but you hubby had some doozies! cont... IP: Logged |
sesame Moderator Posts: 1553 From: Oz Registered: Nov 2003
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posted April 14, 2007 09:24 AM
quote: there is no present only past
My "Guru" said that present should be pronounced "Pre sent", and basically said what you have, but I maintain that the present is the instant Now as Linda has said in terms of Know its Now, and you've Won! If I see a star that's exploded, and determine that the event occurred seven million years ago, that knowledge doesn't help me. I want to know how I've been impacted today. Sure, I'd like to know sooner so I can plan, but today it's occurred to me. All is relative, so really, we are both right. In point of fact, I used to love debating the what-ifs the sun exploded. Light takes 8 seconds to reach us, but what of the blast of atoms of the sun itself? What of the warp in the spacetime continuum? Is this instantaneous? So we see, then feel the spacetime, then feel the blast? I think it's enormously difficult to answer these questions. I don't think creating warpitures in spacetime is doable in your standard physics lab. Interesting for debates though. As for signals in your body. If you burn your finger, and the signals going to you brain was intercepted, then you would say you are not aware of the burn, but you will see it, and the damage will be there. The event could be pre sent before your finger got to the flame, but this is more destiny and fayte ( ). Which is a different debate again. The now is all that matters. quote: miracles without hope
I love this quote! I live by this philosophy that to live in Gods hands is to not require hope! You don't need to expect a miracle or ask for one, all are already pre-sent (in both senses of the word). Linda said to make Miracles, you need to Claim a Lie! Belief contains Lie and Be. What of Faith? Fit hit? Fat hat? Faith is everything. EVERYTHING! Without it you are walking blind through a forest of delusion. Do you need hope? What of the antonyms? What's the opposite of Faith? Is it the same despair as Hope? OK, I did a little research in MS Word Despair has opposites Joy and Hope have opposites Despair. Hope has opposite Despair. Joy has opposite Sorrow. Sorrow has opposites Joy and Rejoice. Faith doesn't have an opposite! Interesting experiment huh? It is like the God without opposite (I don't believe in Satan - am I a Devil Atheist?) Or light as photons without opposite. Physics have gamma rays which are similarly used in experiments and such, but I don't think they're opposites. I won't get into this, but I think all particles have opposites except photons, which are the constituent parts of Light. Dark Matter sure is another interesting thing to consider, as they do believe there is more mass in Dark Matter than "normal" matter. I have my own philosophies about this. Namely that the universe is infinite and multi-dimensional, so really, how do you measure the amount of mass of all dimensions? How does gravity from different dimensions interact? Anyhow, another debate again, and I'm getting comfortably sidetracked. cont... IP: Logged |
sesame Moderator Posts: 1553 From: Oz Registered: Nov 2003
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posted April 14, 2007 09:26 AM
quote: spirits without faith
As mentioned above, if Faith is all there is for us mortals, then I find this quote extremely interesting about spirits! It's like if God doesn't believe in us, should we still believe in him? It could aid us mentally if nothing else. Yes, I do not see faith as an issue in believing, I regard (as you do) that these things are factual, let the skeptics have there arguments, we can go on with the ramifications. quote: space-between-the-space of every moment of every day
Beautiful! Space is completely underestimated! Time is very interesting to consider in terms of the calculation of time between seconds, or the people (like fishkitten) who changes the watches when they where them. Even relativity has a lot to say about this - namely time dilation. But in essence, all things are fluid. There are no discrete instances in time, as there isn't in the flow or transitioning of yin to yang. Nor is there a discernible moment between meditation and enlightenment. I'm sure masters would not measure this in any case, it all comes down to the experience. Time without experience is relatively meaningless. As for the overall quote, I love it! It conjures images of the multidimensional universe. We are all One, but exist with some boundaries to enjoy our limitations. As to your response, it made me see the minute minute, and the second second. Our Hour has passed as we hear each year. I once wrote a poem about Horus that mentioned these things, but I can't remember what it was. I'm starting to tire. Anyhow, thanks again for allowing me to have this opportunity to spin. Dean. ps. sorry I had to break this up, but my wireless LAN seems to have issues with posting large posts. IP: Logged |
fayte.m Knowflake Posts: 9809 From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com Registered: Mar 2005
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posted April 14, 2007 01:38 PM
Thank You Dean! I wish I had time right now to reply in full. I will return. And Manu, I have not forgotten. It has been a crazy week, very busy. Fayte ------------------ ~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~ ~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~ ~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~ }><}}}(*> <*){{{><{ ~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ IP: Logged |
fayte.m Knowflake Posts: 9809 From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com Registered: Mar 2005
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posted April 16, 2007 07:02 PM
Sesame My husband was delighted to hear that you liked his words! and quoted them too! I see you also quoted me. Thanks! BUT........ You said: quote: I love several of your quotes. In fact, sometimes when people quote the "greats" I get put off as these are normal people, but I do appreciate a good quote that makes you think, but you hubby had some doozies!
THOSE WERE OUR WORDS! We were not quoting anyone! Did you think we were quoting others? We were not quoting others..... That is a bit of one of the conversations at our house. It just hit me that I wonder how many times when I have quoted myself from previous posts, that folks do not realize I was quoting my own words quite often? ------------------ ~Judgement Must Be Balanced With Compassion~ ~Do Not Seek Wealth From The Suffering, Or The Dire Needs Of Others~ ~Assumption Is The Bane Of Understanding~ }><}}}(*> <*){{{><{ ~~~ ~~ ~~~~ ~~~ ~~ ~~~~~ ~~~ ~~~~ ~~~ IP: Logged |
fayte.m Knowflake Posts: 9809 From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat. fayte1954@hotmail.com Registered: Mar 2005
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posted April 16, 2007 07:38 PM
Thanks for quoting us Dean/Sesame! quote: there is no present only past.....~Fayte~ miracles without hope.....~Fayte's Husband~ spirits without faith..........~Fayte's Husband~ space-between-the-space of every moment of every day.....~Fayte's Husband~
from my previous post reposted here again for clarity.My husband and I are, I suppose, GURUS to each other in a way. This is a small example of the types of conversations we have EVERY DAY! We were discussing Quantum theory and time; and how... "there is no present only past". The time it takes for your brain to recieve the imput, what you hear and see is a past thing. Like the light from a distance star. You never actually see or hear the present. What can happen in that "time" between the event and the awareness of it? The creche of the "miracles"! From my beloved! quote: With all which surrounds us that we cannot perceive, there is plenty of room for miracles without hope, much lattitude for visions of spirits without faith. 'Invisible' realms of the mind and spirit do not have to be matters of faith, they can be known as existing along side of us, inside that space-between-the-space of every moment of every day. ~From Fayte's Husband~
My response amidst laughter! quote: Oh that elusive second! And to top it all off..... The average person uses only 10% of their brain!
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Mannu Knowflake Posts: 2027 From: Registered: Mar 2006
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posted April 17, 2007 03:55 AM
Theres no miracles in life - says my guru. His brain is so amazing, the moment he closes his eyes, within minutes (in front of everybody), he is in communion with the subtlest energy. The divine ocean of love or God that we all are a part of. He has allowed scientists to analyze his brain and study it with probes when he goes in to meditation. The results were amazing. He says like it or not no matter where you are are or where you will be , you will never be seperate from the ocean. The wave rises and falls in the ocean. That moment the wave thinks he is seperate and then falls back. Each one of us is like those waves.
"Free will is bull s$hit " and "Destinty is bull s$hit " says he. I also found why I am so intuitive based on his analogy. He says people who do clutter their brain with thoughts, can go in any direction of time. In my opinion the more deja vu experience one has the more intuitive he/she is. Its possible to go in past and future. But the secret is to be in the present which every one knows the dictionary meaning of but not many has experienced it he says. Have to go....Damn I hope they don't make me go to UK. Do I see myself there in the next few days? Hahaha..I won't tell.
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