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Mirandee
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From: South of the Thumb Taurus, Pisces, Cancer
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted May 18, 2007 12:13 PM
 
It would be kind of pointless naming names, Juni because the person would only deny it anyway. The ending that BS just put in here to Fayte ( "thank you very much" ) is a BIG red flag as the "stalker" always did that and also her playing the victim while trying to paint an image of Fayte as being a meany is a trait of who we all suspect Bright Star to be. Zala, BR's over zealousness with the hearts to a newbie was a big clue to me as well.  Naiad, I also liked what you said in your post. Very true. It is energy draining to not only keep posing as someone else but energy draining to create and maintain an image of yourself that is not real. The person who I suspect BS to be not only works hard at doing that about herself but also works overtime trying to create a certain image of others who she does not like that she wants others to think about the person or persons. Must be exhausting! LOL Not only that it shows this person has way too much time on her hands and needs to get a life. A REAL life. Just be yourself. People will either like you or not, accept you or not. But for myself, I would much rather be accepted and liked ( or not ) for who I truly am than for a image of myself I have created. People who manipulate and use others for their own agendas have done this all their lives so they get real good at it and fool a lot of people. Unfortunately, they can't fool everyone. Which is why they work so hard at trying to discredit and smear the characters of those who they know aren't fooled. Sad really when you think of what a waste of life that truly is. I am willing to give Bright Star the benefit of the doubt. Have been doing that but the red flags just keep popping up soooo.... IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted May 18, 2007 01:52 PM
Mirandee! quote:
I am willing to give Bright Star the benefit of the doubt. Have been doing that but the red flags just keep popping up soooo....
Yes, far tooooo many red flags.
And I missed the following red flag of which you are so right on about! The stalker uses that very frequently!
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The ending that BS just put in here to Fayte ( "thank you very much" ) is a BIG red flag as the "stalker" always did that and also her playing the victim while trying to paint an image of Fayte as being a meany
Yeah...fits the to a T alright.
Additionally......right before BrightStar showed up I received strange out of the blue, e-mails from a few of the stalker's buddies. Overly friendly ones asking way too many questions as to why I took a hiatus for about 6 months. Virtually the time Bright.S showed up, as did a couple other ones, (oddly not posting after their initial attention grabbing posts).the e-mails stopped as abruptly as they begain.
And others who use to write to me, have stopped, after I defended Lotusheartone when she was tricked and lied to repeatedly.
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fayte.m
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat
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posted May 18, 2007 01:57 PM
As to the red flags....here is one persona(of many) the stalker has used....that sure sounds like BrightS.
Same over curiosity and same bad inconsistent grammar and spelling. Out of 20 posts this so called newbie went at me 18 times. They never posted after that to my knowledge. They also slipped up and used too many phrases and words just like the stalker in their real and other personas does.
They switch between pretending to be male or female. Here pretending to be male. But seriously, guys do not talk like this. quote:
Fayte.M.
I wonder why you so interested in Aqua men when you talk of your husband being your soulmate?
is it becuase you are thinking of having fling with one or are involved withone. or is it becos your husband is one
i am always trying tounderstand the womens mind and noticed you talk about aqua men a lot across this board
uhmm sorry i just notice your husband is a crab?
sorry i ask lots of questions but am 
I replied:
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I wonder why you so interested in Aqua men when you talk of your husband being your soulmate?
The question here is why is a supposed newbie so obsessed with that, and except for two out of 20 posts or so, only talking to...or should I say...harrassing me?
Quote again by you:
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is it becuase you are thinking of having fling with one or are involved withone.
HHHmmmmm why would that concern you unless you are a certain jealous woman? How oddly you act for a real newbie or a real guy.
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or is it becos your husband is one
If you are who I think you are, you already know my husband is a Cancerian.
Quote again by you:
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i am always trying tounderstand the womens mind and noticed you talk about aqua men a lot across this board
****Wow! A "newbie" who follows me around obsessed with my posts about "Aquarian men"! Again your writing sounds like someone else I know of, and your feeble attempts to diguise yourself are not working.
Drop the act! Your paranoid jealous behaviour is getting very tiresome!
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uhmm sorry i just notice your husband is a crab?
....now I DO know someone who uses that alot....("uhmm sorry") and the misplaced question mark. Cut the crap already!
And bull$hit you just noticed my husband is a Cancerian! You are very screwed up indeed. Drinking too much again? .......Continued next post. IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted May 18, 2007 01:58 PM
Quote again by the weirdo:
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sorry i ask lots of questions but am
Cut it with the headgames, You are not a real newbie. Unless you want me to tell everyone who you really are, back the heck off missus holier than thou phony, or a lackey "working" for her!
Stop pretending to be someone else so you can attack me. You are so transparent.  (And then they said this.....) quote:
NOT a lover Fayte.M.
that felt like some protest !!
sorry if i did offend like i says just interested in the wrokings fo the human mind
maybe in the future you will have pleasure of being with an aqua in all hsi full glory if you are lucky !!
never know!
after reading all you girl bashing aquas men i thinks i wouild be more keener to discuss the size of my less than aduaqate manpart then tell yoy my sign
and i dont undesrstand why you say about scorpoios only that i guess some of you ladys are that sign so mybe i will make my exit now..ouchy ouchy...stingy stingy
we men dotn stand a chnce do we too many women ready to bash us
i been reading thse forums for a long time and now only dare to come in
More from the weirdo from another thread:
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i amglad to read these things as i only come here for a few days but felt very stingy ouch from that worman. very sharptonggues they have...mirande and fayte.m. iread a few things they write and not nice.
there is nothing bad about feeling sensitive but there is badness in being this way of being unkind
that why i decide to go away
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you sound liek my mohter and do no listen to ohter peolpe why you beieng nastey adn calling wolves wehn it you been hthe wolf very meean
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naiad
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posted May 18, 2007 05:52 PM
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It is energy draining to not only keep posing as someone else but energy draining to create and maintain an image of yourself that is not real.
lol, that would seem one of the primary attractions of the internet....to create and maintain an image of yourself that is not real. it's a great medium of expression...perhaps one that helps people find their 'true' voice. i've found it a great place to express issues close to my heart and express feelings in a way that isn't always available in real life. i'm sorry for those who use it as a means to hurt others. IP: Logged |
juniperb
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From: Blue Star Kachina
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posted May 18, 2007 06:34 PM
Thank you Mirandee. Got it now It is a shame but give em enough rope and they will hang themselves. Good luck fayte, you have a real attention seeking pest on your hands   ------------------
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fayte.m
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat
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posted May 18, 2007 07:34 PM
juniperb 
Thanks for the kind words.
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Mirandee
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From: South of the Thumb Taurus, Pisces, Cancer
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted May 19, 2007 04:15 AM
Naiad, I guess you are right about some folks on the internet, creating an image of themselves might be the attraction. I have encountered a few of those in my time on the net. However, for people to whom honesty is a very important virtue and who place great value to it they would not compromise that honesty even on the internet. Phoniness of any kind for any reason truly appalls an honest person. I don't really think that being dishonest with yourself or other people is the right way to find your "true voice." Honesty and just being yourself would be the better way. After all since there is less risk on the internet than in person to person contact it gives people the chance to be theirself and come to learn that people respect,like and accept them as they are. If a person is being unreal and creating an image of who and what they are as a person how is that going to help their self-confidence and find their true voice? Because what they are presenting is not their true voice. People will like the image or not, not who and what they really are so they learn nothing about their true self or their true voice that way. They only learn the art of fooling other people.  IP: Logged |
Azalaksh
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From: New Brighton, MN, USA
Registered: Nov 2004
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posted May 19, 2007 11:39 AM
Mirandee ~ quote:
People will like the image or not, not who and what they really are so they learn nothing about their true self or their true voice that way. They only learn the art of fooling other people.
Perhaps the *perceived* power gained/felt by suckering honest people who take you at face value is part of the allure of the facade…..IP: Logged |
naiad
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posted May 19, 2007 11:51 AM
hi Mirandee ~ i think my post wasn't clear. i said that the internet holds an attraction for people who like to create false persona....etc. then i made the statement that it also can be a place that helps one to find his/her 'true' voice...that it can be a great medium of expression for that purpose.i didn't mean that displaying yourself untruthfully helps in finding your true voice.... the statements are independent of each other. sorry it appeared otherwise. i've never attempted to appear as anyone other than who i am....to the extent that i know myself lol. but for some people, that may be part of their free will agency. i suppose it's a way for us to develop our sense of the genuine. IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat
Registered: Mar 2005
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posted May 19, 2007 04:42 PM
Mirandee
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People will like the image or not, not who and what they really are so they learn nothing about their true self or their true voice that way. They only learn the art of fooling other people.
Oh how true! And the prettier the false image the harder it is to maintain if it is all or mostly an act to get attention. And my yes, such can and do fool folks who take kindness at face value. and it takes awhile to realize the "ha ha ha only kidding guys"; after being cruel or nasty is not a joke. Same for the sorry sorry sorry act.
Azalaksh
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Perhaps the *perceived* power gained/felt by suckering honest people who take you at face value is part of the allure of the facade…..
Yeah...emotional vampires need the attention. And if caught being fake nice and or repeatedly lying and playing headgames on people...they run with tail, or broom between legs and get all those who still believe the fake persona(s) to attack all those who disagreed with the vampire and said vampire pretends to be a poor misunderstood victim. Of course they also create new disruptive new personas who come in with a big bang and then just as suddenly disappear.
Like I said before, it must be hard to maintain cohesion of all those different personas, let alone being real in their main identity.------------------
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26taurus
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From: Thee you of we
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posted May 19, 2007 06:04 PM
fayte, It seems like youre being harrassed...
I thought it was against the rules for people to be posting under multiple usernames. So, maybe when this happens someone could inform Randall of who they think these people are and he could check the IP addresses and ban the people that do this if the ip's match. Just a thought. Maybe he should be alerted. Good luck! IP: Logged |
fayte.m
Knowflake Posts: 8011
From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat
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posted May 19, 2007 06:22 PM
Thank You 26taurus But.....IP addresses can be different. That is not a fool proof way to tell.
And Randall has been alerted to this going on but lets people in under multiple names anyhow. And folks from the same household or public terminal can all have the same IP.------------------
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26taurus
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posted May 19, 2007 06:37 PM
I see, and yes, it's not a foolproof way to tell. Sorry, not sure exactly how it all works. I think at least the area of the poster could be narrowed way down....? Still, that isnt a sure way of pegging someone.I dont know. Good luck.
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fayte.m
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat
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posted May 19, 2007 11:38 PM
26Taurus
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Try your best not to play into it.
I have tried that, and took almost a 1/2 year hiatus from LL hoping things would change. I came back briefly to support Ginny and saw that the stalker and company were viciously attacking Mirandee, Lia, and Ginny and toungue in cheek attacking me still by posting things said privately but not mentioning me by name. It appeared in retrospect, that they hoped that by attacking my friends they could get me to come back sooner to fight them. I stayed away though, hoping they would cut the games of duplicity.
My absence only made them more bold and alot more folks trusted and got tricked and lied to and hurt. Alcoholism well hidden from all seemed to be part of their problem.(they condemned booze and drugs yet were sneak drinking, which explains the personality switches few noticed because they were not their focus of hate or jealousy)They did not turn mean and vindictive until the exact timing of their first attempts at sobriety in Spring 2006. Later actions indicate they are possibly still drinking or have a mental illness and refuse to see a therapist because they shun modern medicine. Mental illness seems to run in their family.
And I have not ruled out the possibility that they have a few buddies joining them in the duplicity game by posing as newbies. And if the multiple personalities are all them alone, and they do not realize they are doing it, and why the main identity can act so clueless, then there are serious mental problems indeed. I do hope they get the help they need. 
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BrightStar
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posted May 21, 2007 04:46 AM
i go to work and help others all day long.And i come here and you think i am someone else. Unfair for the others that you are blameing. But if you want to waste your time and energy be my guess. and if i misspelled some words i am sure you have the time to point them out to me and everyone else.IP: Logged |
Lialei
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posted May 21, 2007 10:01 AM
BrightStar, if you are genuine,
then the discussion won't pertain to you.
Hopefully you can try to have compassion for those here who've been too often harrassed and understand what's it's like to have to be on guard all the time, when they'd rather not have to be.
Mispelling is often a psychological prethought manipulation of a stalker/troll.
They mispell, hoping the target will acknowledge the mispelling.
Acknowledging the mispelling is not the same as making fun of the person who mispells, but that doesn't matter, it's something the troll can work with.
They use the opportunity of acknowledgement, to twist it into a put-down to gain sympathy from others by making it seem as if they're being made fun of or shamed for spelling bad. It's usually a successful strategy because sympathy is aroused by kind-hearted people,
who are really being exploited for their kindness, which is sad to watch. This has happened here before several times.
The most stand-out stalker/troll "mr. bungle" did this to Fayte, directly pursuing her from onset of joining.
Even though Fayte never insulted them for mispelling,
they tried to get everyone to think she was, calling her a 'mean lady' and other ridiculous accusations she never deserved because she was only ever kind to them.
All she could do was hope people saw her kindness and could see through what was happening. It could appear you're using this strategy in your last post, BrightStar.
Hope not.
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fayte.m
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat
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posted May 21, 2007 10:52 AM
Thank You Lady Lia
You expressed my view on this exactly.
And Lia is right BrightStar...
IF you are indeed a genuine newbie and not associated with the stalker(s).....
These posts would not pertain to you at all.
But you have yet to actually share anything with us to indicate you are genuine.
As Lia said, I hope you are genuine.
But if you have ever experienced being harassed
and stalked, you would understand why many of us are perhaps overly wary of suspicious acting folks. ------------------
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maklhouf
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posted May 21, 2007 10:59 AM
You are wrong about the five hearts. I did not think they were addressed to the newbie. I thought they were addressed to me. Or may be I was wrong BR?------------------
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Mirandee
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From: South of the Thumb Taurus, Pisces, Cancer
Registered: Sep 2004
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posted May 21, 2007 12:52 PM
Well, that's the downside of the internet and depending on the written word only because we cannot hear the inflection of people's voices or see their body language. So many times we misinterpret things or place a lot of own perception in what we are reading. Sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying, naiad. Maklhouf, sorry if we may have perceived the hearts wrong. However, what he said and the hearts did not seem to fit your post and BR did not address anyone when he posted that. Also, Bright Star, I want you to know that I, and I know that Lia, Zala and Fayte do too, leave it open and figure time will tell. Maybe you can explain it to us why at times you misspell words and other times you don't. For example in your post above where you were addressing what has been said here, there is not one misspelled word. Other times there are many of them in a very short post. Sometimes you correctly spell less frequently used words and in the same post misspell commonly used words. For that reason it can appear that it is being done on purpose. Maybe if you explained it to us it would help because what Lia and Fayte explained to you here is very true. Another characteristic that you share with the person we have had this happen before with is speaking in sound bites, with very short posts that leave others wondering what you mean. Also habitually used phrases tend to slip in unconsciously even when a person is trying very hard to disguise their true identity. It's not that I am firmly convinced that you are not who you say you are, and I know others haven't closed you off. We hope you are being who you really are but this has happened with the other person more than once here at LL and Fayte is usually always the target along with friends of hers. But we leave it open with you and in no way are we making fun of your spelling or you. Please don't think that. All of us misspell words in our posts at times. We are just wondering why you do it at times and other times spell words just fine. Hopefully you will explain that to us so we can all have no doubts and you will not be under any suspicion. Agreed Zala, I think that what you said about power, etc. hit the nail right on the head. I think that is exactly what it is all about. It's a manipulative game. A personal joke on other people. A power trip. IP: Logged |
BrightStar
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posted May 22, 2007 02:29 AM
well i don't known. Are you girls trying to fight with me and why? i have done notting to you all.IP: Logged |
InLoveWithLife
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posted May 22, 2007 11:30 AM
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posted May 22, 2007 11:33 AM
ok, to explain my post:Brightstar, its getting kinda boring. do you have just one line to say in answer to this whole f****** thread of 145 posts? c'mon !!  its very disappointing.  IP: Logged |
fayte.m
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From: Still out looking for Schrödinger's cat
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posted May 22, 2007 01:04 PM
BS.....
1.You have yet to explain why your grammar and spelling was intelligent and then changed suddenly.
2. You have refused to tell us anything about yourself;
3. but think nothing of asking me and my friends where we are and if we are at work.
4. Then you think nothing of asking another if she has been to a doctor yet.
5. You brag about how bright your light is while claiming to be an imbecile. Yet your early posts, especially on other threads showed no signs of being bad at spelling and grammar.
6. A bit too chummy with Sesame and BR.
7. And all that overdone love love love to Lotus who has too trusting a heart and has been hurt by fakes before...And even though Lotus and I do not always see eye to eye, I will not stand by and watch someone pretend to love her just to hurt her later.
8. And the focus you have mostly on me and my friends is way too unusual for a real newbie.With so many folks at LL, why mostly at us?
No one wants to fight with you BS.
But as ILWL indicated; after about 145 or so posts on this thread, you have nothing to do but whimper and whine?
Tell us a bit about yourself...
And use the good spelling and grammar you know how to use.
You are not acting mysterious...
You are being rude.
You have been deceptively omissive and nosy.
Some of us have even posted pictures to help you feel safe here if by some chance you are not a phony and a fake.
After we all greeted and welcomed you kindly you turned weird on us all. 
So if you are for real then cut the ******** crap and the bad writing, and the bagging about your brightness and say something for real.
You have received plenty of attention if that is what you wanted.
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Mirandee
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posted May 22, 2007 01:17 PM
Yeah, ILWL. You can see it's a damn game. If someone accused me of something falsely I would have a lot more to say than a one liner. Playing the victim is a part of the manipulative game. It is designed to help this person who I am now more than ever CONVINCED is the person in question create an image of us which she wishes to project to folks at LL of being... the big meanies picking on poor little, innocent her. Same damn manipulative game that Mr. Bungles played after she left in a huff the last time. Regarding what naiad brought up concerning internet images and what I was talking to her about gave me more thoughts on these people. Through my life offline and on the internet I have had people with whom our relationship started out on the wrong foot who later became very good friends. You can do that with people who, like yourself, do not hold grudges. You can bridge the gap and come to realize and see the good qualities in each other that overshadow any arguments or misunderstandings of the past. With people who have lived their whole lives manipulating others and playing mind games with others, you cannot do that. You cannot bridge the gap because they cannot give up their obsessive need for power and control over other people. They can only boost their own lack of self-worth by feeling in control of and powerful over others. They can only build up their egos by tearing down other people. They are usually of the passive agressive variety and I call these people "Violent Sheep." Violent sheep are harder to deal with than overtly agressive people. The reason is that overtly agressive people are more honest. Violent sheep have no honesty about them. They are cowardly little snipers. The only thing you can do is ignore these people. You can't be nice to them. They don't want you to be nice to them because that ruins the image of you that they are trying to create. So does bridging any gaps and overcoming misunderstandings of the past. They can't let go of the past. They hold grudges and so they won't let you move on either. They might pretend to forgive and let go and be nice to you. But is a game to set you up for the next sniping attack. The reason that I avoid and ignore manipulators, who get very good at it when it has been a lifestyle that normally works for them with people, is that no matter what you do they draw you into their game. If you try to stay a step of ahead of them in order to not give them any ammunition, you are becoming just like them. You are becoming a manipulator yourself and really just trying to out manipulate them. In the process you lose sight of who and what you really are because you are compromising your honesty. So they have won. When it comes to these people, the quote from the movie War Games applies: "Interesting game. It seems that the only way to win is not to play." The only way that you can not play and be drawn into the games of a life time manipulator is to completely write these people off and ignore them as if they did not exist no matter what they do or say. That is not being cruel. That is refusing to give up any of your own principals, morals and values by being drawn into the manipulative games these violent sheep play. Eventually, as Juni said here, these people do end up hanging themselves. Normally these people cannot maintain relationships in their lives because face it, no one wants to be controlled and their manipulations of people in their daily lives over time soon become apparent to the partner or close friends. I do feel compassion and sorrow for these people because it is a sad way to live your life but these people rarely change because the first step in changing is to admit that there is something wrong with them, not everyone else, and their vanity and obsessive/compulsiveness prohibit them from admitting that they have a problem. They are addicted to that "rush" they get out of manipulating and using other people and feeling that they have one upped the other person. They compete and compare themselves with others and always present themselves in a better light than the other. It's a lifestyle of tearing down others, usually targeted people who make them in some way feel inferior, because it is the only way they can feel in some way superior. Some folks you just have to avoid in life for your own well-being. Sad as that is but it is as the quote says, the only way to win that game is to refuse to play. IP: Logged |
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